We’re the Killers: Meet the Anti-Government Conspiracy Theorists Behind the Vegas Shooting

The husband-and-wife team that shot and killed two Las Vegas police officers, then killed a third person at a nearby Wal-Mart before taking their own lives, had an extensive history of far-right, anti-government beliefs and were obsessed with conspiracy theories and the idea of killing cops. All of this is well-documented and can be seen for yourself simply by combing through the couple’s various social media accounts.

The Vegas PD hasn’t officially released the names of the killers, but according to several outlets a neighbor identified them as “Jared and Amanda.” Their full names, confirmed by the Southern Poverty Law Center, are Jerad and Amanda Miller and they moved from Lafayette, Indiana to Las Vegas at the beginning of the year. Jerad worked as a street performer in downtown Vegas and Amanda apparently joined him occasionally, with the two dressing up as the Joker and Harley Quinn and posing for pictures with tourists for tips.

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The Millers ambushed officers Alyn Beck, 41, and Igor Soldo, 31, as they ate lunch at a CiCi’s pizza in eastern Las Vegas on Sunday morning. According to police, Jared Miller shot officer Soldo point blank in the back of the head as he was sitting in a booth eating, then fired on officer Beck as he drew on him. Amanda Miller also opened fire on Beck. One of the two killers then shouted, “This is the start of a revolution,” and together they stripped both cops of their guns and ammo and draped their victims with American Revolution-era Gadsden flags, better known as the “Don’t Tread on Me” flags that have become so ubiquitous among Tea Partiers and within the anti-government movement over the past several years. The couple then went across the street to the Wal-Mart, shot and killed another man with a concealed carry permit who tried to stop them, 31-year-old Joseph Wilcox, then barricaded themselves in the rear of the store and eventually killed themselves as the police approached. Amanda Miller reportedly shot her husband first, then turned the gun on herself.

You’re allowed to believe whatever you want in this country and certainly just because someone holds extremist views it doesn’t mean that he or she will wind up going on a shooting rampage, but Jerad and Amanda Miller left a pretty clear indication on their Facebook pages that something bad was coming.

This was Jerad Miller’s final Facebook status update on Saturday:

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But that was merely the last stop on a crazy train that was always barreling full-speed ahead. Jerad was a poster boy for the conspiracy theorist movement and often voiced his fears of the New World Order, chemtrails, and the rise of a militaristic police state. He believed that violent revolution was a necessity, and his Facebook “likes” included the ill-fated Operation American Spring, the NRA, The Heritage Foundation, Three Percenter Nation, and Ron and Rand Paul.

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Amanda, meanwhile, used her YouTube channel to show support for videos with titles like “Citizens Can Shoot Police,” “Shooting Cops,” and “When Is It Okay To Shoot a Cop?” She also documented the couple’s trip to the Bundy Ranch two months ago. They made a pilgrimage there to support Cliven Bundy in his armed standoff with federal agents but were apparently asked to leave once it was revealed that Jerad Miller had an extensive criminal record. He complained about this on his Google Plus page, writing on April 19th, “I was out there but they told me and my wife to leave because I am a felon. They don’t seem to understand that they are all felons now for intimidating law enforcement with deadly weapons. So don’t tell you that they need people. We sold everything we had to buy supplies and quit our jobs to be there 24/7. How dare you ask for help and shun us dedicated patriots!”

Jerad and Amanda Miller claim to have moved to Nevada to show support for David Lory VanDerBeek, the Independent American Party candidate for Nevada governor. Jerad’s Facebook page has quite a few references to VanDerBeek, including a reposting of his status update immediately following last month’s UC Santa Barbara shooting spree. VanDerBeek believes that the shooting was a government-engineered “false flag” operation aimed at clamping down on gun rights.

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He echoed his support for VanDerBeek in the comment section of the “Free Patriot” website.

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The neighbor who first named “Jared and Amanda” as the suspects said that they were meth-heads, and it’s certainly tough to look at a video Jerad Miller made in 2013 and not think he’s on something. Among his many arrests dating back to 2007 is one for dealing and possessing marijuana, but this clip in which he professes his love for Amanda just before he’s about to begin a brief jail stint makes him look like an extra on Breaking Bad. The line where he tells his wife, his partner-in-crime figuratively and literally, that she can bring a smile to his face “no matter how crabby of a mood I’m in because of the New World Order and shit,” is really something special.

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There are three people who mattered far more in life and matter far more in death than Jerad and Amanda Miller. Officers Alyn Beck and Igor Soldo were both family men and good, dedicated cops. Beck was a 13-year LVMPD veteran and he leaves behind a wife and three children. Soldo also had a wife and baby. By all accounts these were decent guys and they absolutely didn’t deserve to go out the way they did: as the culmination of a paranoid anti-government revenge fantasy, the final act of two people who’d screwed their own lives up in every single way possible. The same can likely be said for the innocent victim in the Wal-Mart, Joseph Wilcox, who a friend described as seeming “invincible.”

The fact that these people are dead is a tragedy. The fact that they’re dead at the hand of a couple of conspiracist dead-enders like Jerad and Amanda Miller is a travesty.

(This story has been updated to reflect new information on the shootings provided by police.)

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  • eric braun

    Why should it be a surprise that the American people are starting to hate their police? How is that a paranoid conspiracy when you see this, again and again?

    And, no, it isn’t “just one rotten apple” The whole bunch covers up the rotten bacon…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657094/Mother-four-31-stripped-naked-pepper-sprayed-left-hours-cell-misdemeanor.html

  • conundrum

    Comments should be closed a 2 or 3 days after a story is posted, or when it scrolls off the front page. After all the reasonable people move on to current articles, the nut jobs come along to post thinking there is nobody around to refute their hate and conspiracy therories.

  • JoeThePlumber1

    Can someone please explain to me why Fox News is the only “news station” that has aired this event once? After, Shepard Smith first released the details of this story (even saying that the Gadsden flag is a symbol of the Tea Party) I have not heard another word about this story from them, and I have been tuning into Fox News for past few days.

  • mrbrink

    Facebook “likes” include Ron and Rand Paul?

    Of course they do. The Pauls are the tie that binds them all.

    I’ll bet somewhere along the line you’ll find one of those Obama-as-The Joker posters in their idiot-arsenal, too, because projecting while oblivious to irony and self-awareness is a constant character trait among the nuts.

    • AnonymousUser

      Because Obama is the most flawless president in US history, has never lied or engaged in any of the cronyism, public deception, war mongering and outright denial of his own administration’s actions like so many of the presidents who came before him. Nay, because the man is a Democrat – and not only that, but a Black Democrat – he is 100% innocent and any evidence that surfaces suggesting otherwise is clearly just right-wing propaganda. We should really never criticize Democrats and all of our focus should definitely be directed at people like Ron Paul. Even though he isn’t the president and would seem to have nowhere near the level of power and authority that our beloved president Obama does, we should disregard any so-called “corruption” on our president’s behalf and focus entirely on those evil right-wingers! Damn them all to hell!

  • ranger11

    After reading this title I can’t seem to get the song “When We Were Young” out of my head.

  • CL Nicholson

    One the biggest conspiracy nuts in Hollywood is Oliver Stone and not so ironically, this crime resembles scenes from ‘Natural Born Killers’.

  • gorilla cookies

    When I look at things like this, things like Snowden, things like Bitcoin (which is basically an invitation to money laundering), I am starting to feel like our society is under seize by crazed anarchists. (Most of these are of course libertarians.) The scary thing is, with technology (and deadly weapons), these idiots can do a lot more damage than they have in the past. For all the good the Internet does, it also seems to make the crazy crazier.. A lot of us go through phases when we hate the world and just want to lash out at everything and everyone. But now these people can find support systems to encourage them, and the technological means to cause real havoc. And who knows what else these people will try and tear down. It’s like we’re Gotham City coping with a never-ending supply of Jokers.

    • Jeffrey L. Bass

      I so want to be a Libertarian, but there are always limits, and I’m not a zealot. Lots of uncertainty ahead.

    • Aaron Litz

      Bitcoin is shady, shady, business.

      • beulahmo

        I still don’t understand how it attracted so much serious attention.

        • conundrum

          Somebody was handing out magazines promoting bitcoin in D.C., printed in full color and on heavy, coated stock; they looked expensive to produce. I think there was some serious money being quietly spent to push bitcoin, perhaps as a pump-and-dump scheme.

          • beulahmo

            Really?? o.O
            Hard copy promotional brochures. Fascinating.

          • conundrum

            I dug it out. 60 pages, cover like a trade paperback, about a quarter inch thick. Looks like it’s intended to be a quarterly magazine and what I was given was the second issue. Ads for bitcoin miners and bitcoin banking services. Both issues available on their website at yBitcoin.net.

            Bitcoin affectionados were very proud of the distributed nature of it, any body could “mine” coins. But big players got involved, and now “mining” is just for big players, it no longer pays as some background task for your PC when it’s not busy. So in my view, bitcoin is taking on all the trappings of big Wall Street banking, right down to price manipulation and the glossy quarterly report.

  • Victor_the_Crab

    Deny it all you want, Alex Jones. But your hands are soaked in blood. All the paranoid ranting from you and your right wing media brethren won’t wash it off.

    • aynwrong

      Lets not let Hannity off the hook either. He worked at least as hard to popularize Bundy as Jones.

      • https://twitter.com/HPLoveshaft H.P. Loveshaft

        Comparing Hannity to Jones is the act of a blithering idiot. The Bundy Ranch incident is NEWS, moron. Alex Jones peddles unfounded conspiracy theories.

        I know a lot of conservatives that listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin…and each and every one of them thinks Alex Jones is a nutjob. I know a few people that listen to Alex Jones, and they consider themselves libertarians and dismiss Hannity as being a corporate puppet.

        • reggid

          No, every one of them might CLAIM Jones is a nutcase, but the words and tone they use are
          virtually indistinguishable from Jones’ insanity. They can try to distance themselves from nut-jobs like Jones all they want, but when they’re peddling the same nonsense, their desperate claims of innocence fall more than a little flat.

        • aynwrong

          “Comparing Hannity to Jones” is a thing that I did not do. I pointed out that Hannity (AKA “the corporate puppet”) helped to make Bundy a celebrated cause on the right. Hannity’s punditry is one of the biggest reasons people started flocking to the Bundy ranch.

          Both Jones and Hannity were both talking about him. Both holding him up in a positive light. Hannity is at least as responsible for the environment that was swirling around the Bundy ranch as Jones. The paranoid, anti government nonsense. People pointing guns at gov’t officials and law enforcement. That they may usually talk about different things is irrelevant.

          BTW…H.P. Loveshaft, is an awesome name.

          • David L.

            Wonder if (s?)he’s half as racist as the good ole’ original H.P.

            Nah, there’s zero chance of that if (s)he’s a Hannity fan.

          • aynwrong

            Vote Cthulhu for President.

            Because why settle for the lesser evil.

          • AnonymousUser

            If we’re voting for the greater evil, the next Democratic candidate just might give Dagon a run for his money.

          • aynwrong

            Nyarlathotep for Secretary of State.

  • Samantha George

    I’m sitting here looking at that picture, then looking at the Harley Quinn action figure that’s propped against my monitor. Yeah, she doesn’t look like that.

    • Aaron Litz

      Very nice oldschool Catwoman icon, by the way. :)

      • Samantha George

        Thanks, Aaron! I think it was the best era of costuming for her, all that deep purple and green, but not the best as far as storylines. I’ve used this as an avatar for years.

        I always appreciate your comments here, btw.

        • Aaron Litz

          Thank you. :)

          • Samantha George

            I hate how Disqus doesn’t leave me logged in. But that does mean sometimes people get two upvotes from me.

          • Aaron Litz

            HA! Party on, bonus! :)

  • suesista

    Wilcox, the civilian killed in Walmart, was armed, and was moving to confront the guy when the wife killed him. The atmosphere in America is now one of complete madness.

    • gorilla cookies

      In my day job, I’ve seen many instances where store owners try to defend themselves with guns. Sometimes they do okay, but in most instances, they end up dead, because when it gets down to it, they are nervous, they don’t really want to shoot anyone, while the robber has a jump on him and really doesn’t care who he kills. And in 99 percent of the cases, if the store owner just gave the robber what he wanted, they would be coming home shaken up but safe, as opposed to in a body bag. The NRA has blood on its hands in so many ways …

      • beulahmo

        What is your day job, if you don’t mind my asking?

        It bothers me that there isn’t any public discussion about a growing ‘culture of contempt’ for law enforcement that seems aimed at de-legitimatizing the entire concept of law enforcement. It’s anarchic. I can see that it’s encouraged by the NRA and increasingly, and to an alarming degree, by the ‘mainstream’ right wing (both politicians and right wing media). Is this having an effect on store owners and whether they feel the need to try to handle security on their own? I see this as a very, very bad trend.

        • AnonymousUser

          encouraged by the NRA? The same organization that has an entire series dedicated to law enforcement and military personnel called “NRA life of duty?” I think you’re a bit misinformed there, pal. Sure, the NRA and it’s members don’t take kindly to the types of abusive and corrupt law enforcement officers you typically see in big cities, but they are also huge supporters of small-town law enforcement who actually do their jobs (protecting and serving their communities)

  • missliberties

    It’s disturbing that their anti-government rantings sound like the GOP platform.

    • https://twitter.com/HPLoveshaft H.P. Loveshaft

      Another idiot. Their anti-government rantings included musings if it is “okay to kill police”, fear of chem trails, and a loathing for the military.

      Sounds like quite the opposite of the GOP platform. Try harder, libtard. It’s too easy to dispel your lies.

      • reggid

        Wrong, H.P. It sounds EXACTLY like the anti-government, “Second Amendment remedy,” “sovereignty” bullshit being peddled by virtually every GOP official of any stature and by all of their media allies. Go spout your lies and deflections somewhere else — your right-wing idiocy stinks to high heaven.

        • AnonymousUser

          The GOP isn’t anti government, it’s just for less government. Please stop with the extremist bullshit already

  • conundrum

    So Amanda shot and killed the two policemen and Amanda shot and killed Jerad and then herself. We don’t know who killed the third victim yet. Sure sounds like Amanda Miller went on a murder and suicide spree, so why do we care what Jerad put on his facebook page?

    • Clusterpuck

      As I understand it, she shot the man at Wal*Mart too. According to the report I read, he was the “good” guy with a gun and had gotten the drop Jerad and she walked up from behind and shot him in the torso.

      Exactly how many “false-flags” must our Kenyan, muslim, socialist usurper require? Probably using this one to cover-up his failure as a socialist as the Dow hit another record high.

    • Richard_thunderbay

      Sorry, but Miller shot both cops…

      Police said Monday that Jerad Miller shot Officer Igor Soldo in the back
      of the head, then shot fellow Officer Alyn Beck in the neck before
      Miller’s wife, Amanda, pulled a gun from her purse and also fired on
      Beck.

      • conundrum

        From this article:
        “… According to witnesses, Amanda Miller shot one of the officers point
        blank in the back of the head as he was refilling a drink, then turned
        and fired on the other officer as he drew on her. … The
        couple then went across the street to the Wal-Mart, shot and killed
        another man, 31-year-old Joseph Wilcox … Amanda Miller reportedly
        shot her husband first, then turned the gun on herself.”

  • D. Alexander

    Has anyone noticed that the media is NOT calling these two domestic terrorists? I guess you have to be Muslim to be called a terrorists.

    • Richard_thunderbay

      From what I’ve heard, the fact that these Tea Party terrorists covered the bodies of cops with “DONT TREAD ON ME” flags is something that a number of media outlets are oddly neglecting to mention.

      • https://twitter.com/HPLoveshaft H.P. Loveshaft

        Calling them “Tea Party Terrorists” is weak sauce, little one. And the claim that media outlets are neglecting to mention the Gadsden flag is a flat-out lie. The media LOVES trumpeting this fact, all while neglecting to mention that Miller also opposed mainstream conservatives and was supportive of fellow nutjob Ron Paul.

        • reggid

          Sorry, loser, but you GOPigs have made your Tea-Bagger bed, and now you have to lie in it. The GOP rhetoric is now virtually indistinguishable from the Tea-Baggers’ craziness. Sorry you’re too much of a coward to accept reality and take responsibility for what the GOP has become. But if course, that’s what Republicans are these days — lying,
          cowardly nut-jobs.

          • AnonymousUser

            Awesome ad-hom, bro.

          • reggid

            Noting the fact that the GOP has adopted and endorsed much of the worst Tea-Bagger rhetoric is not ad hom, nor is pointing out the dishonesty of the GOP in trying to distance itself from that rhetoric. Ad hom would be saying that every one of your posts can be ignored as utter idiocy because you’re an Alex Jones fan-boy and complete dumbass.

          • AnonymousUser

            If your criticisms weren’t so one-sided and you pointed out all of the dishonesty of the Democratic party instead of focusing solely on the bad eggs within the GOP, you’d have a little more credibility. The fact is that corruption is rampant throughout our government and the left is no less guilty than the right in that regard.

          • reggid

            Holy Christ — are you serious? You’re actually claiming that these righty loonies and the GOP-Tea-Bagger rhetoric they were spouting is NOT anti-government? Wow.
            Just wow.

          • AnonymousUser

            Again, the GOP has never claimed to be “Anti-government” and to accuse the GOP of being anarchists is astoundingly ignorant. Republicans believe in “less” government, not “no” government. They feel that our current government has overstepped it’s authority and needs to be downsized, but not completely removed altogether. This is just insane, and anybody with half a brain knows that a country this size requires a government to function. Please stop with your ignorant nonsense. It is clear to me that you spend entirely way too much time sitting in front of a television set and letting liberal pundits condition how you think. Try turning that television off and picking up a book some time, buddy.

          • reggid

            “The GOP has never claimed to be anti-government.” Wow. I’m sorry you’re so utterly, beyond-repair clueless, Anon, but congratulations on recovering from your apparent 30+ year coma.

  • captkurt

    I have this burning desire to make a spectacle of myself in some appropriate location, recreating the final scene from Soylent Green, and shouting at the top of my lungs “CHEM TRAILS ARE MADE OUT OF WATER!”

  • That River Gal

    Hop over to Media Matters, they have Alex Jones ranting about how Obama did this false flag style. My only question is, what took him so long?

    • That River Gal

      Correction, Harry Reid. Using “ultra” mind control.

  • Matthew J

    Of course you realize that the conspiracy theory with this one is going to be that the Millers didn’t actually do the shootings. The shootings were done by “some super secret government agent murder squad that answers directly to Obama” out to make the Tea Bagger right look bad, and then the Millers were killed in a staged murder-suicide.

    • AnonymousUser

      I think a more plausible explanation would be that this couple were MKULTRA drones. I don’t think it is realistic to claim that the shootings were done by someone else. I have no doubt that these individuals were in fact, the shooters. What I do doubt, however, is what motivated them to do this. I strongly believe that there are forces at play here that are influencing people to behave like this, and I’m talking beyond right-wing media talking heads like Alex Jones. MKULTRA is no secret or hoax. It’s a technically “discontinued” government mind control program that any idiot can look up in an Encyclopedia. I suspect that the recent uptick in high-profile shootings like this are not a coincidence, but why would right-wingers, who claim to support the 2nd amendment, encourage people to commit acts that only provide more ammunition to their pro-gun-control opponents? This is why the notion that these incidents are being encouraged by right wingers doesn’t make sense to me. Why would right-wingers promote behavior that only serves to discredit them? Perhaps it is not the right-wingers who are behind this after all.

      • Duncan20903

        “Why would right-wingers promote behavior that only serves to discredit them?”

        That would be because they’re blithering idiots.

        • AnonymousUser

          That’s a naive generalization and entirely subjective

        • AnonymousUser

          I posted a reply to this comment yesterday but apparently it was never published for some reason. Thanks to whoever is proactively trying to censor my comments for no apparent reason. Here’s a re-post of my original reply which has since mysteriously been deleted.

          That’s an extremely naive generalization and entirely subjective.

  • Jason E

    The American Dream has become a paranoid fantasy.

    • conundrum

      Paranoia both among the libertarians on the right, like the Millers, and the libertarians on the left, like Snowden.

      Maybe they hate the government because it protects the rest of us — from them.

      • Jason E

        Snowden is a leftist? I thought he was a Ron Paul supporter.

        • DJ Mauri

          he’s a ron paul supporter who has been championed by left libertarians. The far left championing a far right guy, so that tells you how far gone they are.

      • AnonymousUser

        you’re totally right man, how dare people have the audacity to get upset about the government spying on all of us, monitoring our internet activity, listening to our telephone conversations and watching us 24/7 with airborne cameras. We should embrace government surveillance for the good of the people! let us rebuild our homes with glass walls so that the world can see what we are doing at all times! Our safety depends on it

  • reggid

    If they didn’t already, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of their ilk have blood on their hands — this is EXACTLY what these hate-mongers have been preaching and pushing.

    • missliberties

      This is specifically why all this hate speech (see body bags for Bowe Bergdahl) is so incredibly irresponsible.

    • https://twitter.com/HPLoveshaft H.P. Loveshaft

      Sure…show me ANYTHING that ANY of the hosts you mentioned that would indicate that they influenced the actions of this lunatic. Chem trails? Nope. Anti-police? Nope. Anti-military? Nope. Belief that 9-11 was an inside job? Nope. None of the hosts you allude to peddle the sort of Alex Jones-style insanity that Miller embraced.

      Shame on you, you miserable piece of crap. You’re falsely using a tragedy to smear people you have a different opinion from.

      • reggid

        Um, yeah, other than the fact that loonies like Alex Jones, Limbaugh, et al., are preaching in almost word-for-word terms as those spouted by these two clowns, you’re spot on. Good God you’re a jackass.

      • dude
  • a.mann

    Rush Limbaugh,Glenn Beck,Sean Hannity,Mark Levin and most other Conservative AM radio hosts, make their fortune by feeding off of the ignorance, fear,paranoia, and bigotry of their “target” audience.

    Matter of fact,Right Wing media in general forever keeps it’s TARGET demographic in a perpetual state of RAGE and VICTIMIZATION .

    Because they has successfully cultivated a “Us Against Them” mentality within their TARGET demographic.

    And this is inevitably the end result.

    • JoeThePlumber1

      Can someone please explain to me why Fox News is the only “news station” that has aired this event once? After, Shepard Smith first released the details of this story (even saying that the Gadsden flag is a symbol of the Tea Party) I have not heard another word about this story from them, and I have been tuning into Fox News for past few days..

      • reggid

        Have you been living under a rock? Are is it all the crack you’re smoking that fuels your lies?

    • AnonymousUser

      Funny considering the left-wing media does the same thing. This could be used to perfectly describe so many left-wing movements, such as Occupy Wall Street, for example.

      • ediemeowgwick

        Except Occupy Wall Street was actually organizing people for change as opposed to extreme misplaced hatred like the Tea Party and other fascists right wingers.

        Occupy has gotten housing for people who lost their homes or were homeless, organized food banks, filed law suits against polluters, got a $15/hr minimum wage in Seattle, and set up day cares for working mothers. Occupy continues to benefit people in a material way everyday, not to mention bringing income inequality and theft by the banks into the mainstream media discussion.

        What of anything productive have you or your political beliefs ever done for anyone?

        • Harry K James

          Yes, constitutionalist upholding freedoms are fascists Einstein.

        • AnonymousUser

          Again with the subjective, biased bullshit. Occupy did nothing except give the elites a good laugh. You think they gave a shit about your movement? All the Occupy movement managed to pull off was essentially a public temper tantrum that had absolutely no impact on the so-called “1%.” The only people it did impact were the lower and middle classes, who lost far more than they gained. Camping in a park as a “protest” until the police come and arrest you isn’t achieving change. Claiming that the Occupy movement could have possibly achieved any kind of real change (other than getting a bunch of people arrested for trespassing) is analogous to claiming that a housefly could beat a man to death with it’s wings. It’s funny that you mention misplaced hatred when you clearly have so much of it yourself. The energy you dedicate to your hatred for the Tea Party/”fascist” right-wingers would be better invested in learning how this system actually works and what you can do to be successful in it. The Tea Party aren’t your enemies, but people like you insist on continuing with your ignorant tirades instead of taking a look at the big picture and thinking objectively.

  • David L.

    We’ve been predicting something like this would inevitably happen for how long now?

    Every time fucking Alex Jones, or Dan Bidondi, or any of the other dipshits peddling conspiracies for cash, open their mouths to spout their ridiculous, over-the-top, ultra-bellicose rhetoric – Tyranny! Slavery! War for Freedom! UN! Agenda 21! Black helicopters! Death camps! False flag mass killings of innocents! Fake shooting rampages with paid actors! etc. etc. – every single fucking time they reinforce the notion that evil powers are behind every single wrong in this world… every time they affirm the government killed 3,000 people in cold blood on 9/11… every time they tell people they are being slowly poisoned by chemtrails, or controlled by water fluoridation…

    …some unstable nutjob in an RV watching, reading or listening to this kind of unsubstantiated, unprovable bullcrap will actually come to believe it, really become convinced that we’re in an all-or-nothing total war against authority, that we have to kill or be killed (or enslaved). Then they legally buy a small arsenal of lethal weaponry, egged on by greedy gun manufacturers and enabled by the millions of gun fetishists littering the landscape. Then tragedies start happening.

    This is fucking insane.

    • D_C_Wilson

      And Alex Jones has already gone on the air and declared this shooting to be . . .. . .wait for it. . .. a false flag operation!

      I’m sure you’re as shocked as I am.

      • captkurt

        Of course, right on cue. But what I find darkly, ironically funny now, is the shooter was a UCSB false flag truther, who is now part of yet another false flag shooting.

      • chris ellis

        Sad all these false flags keep killing people. This totally inept, feckless government and terrible, dickless president is so good at false flags, somehow. And also tyrannical!

      • ediemeowgwick

        The ultimate “no true scotsman!” for right wing nut jobs. First you tell people a bunch of lies of how they’re being “oppressed” then you say we need “second amendment solutions” to “stop the nazi socialists”.

        Then your followers shoot and kill people trying to start the revolution you’ve been promoting, and you instantly say:

        FALSE FLAG!

        Its a brilliant scheme.

        Someone who is a better artist than me needs to create a very disturbing but hilarious picture of “Phallax Jones”, you know how he has no neck and is all veiny.. then get it trending on twitter every time this kind of thing happens.

    • AnonymousUser

      And what better way to discredit the truth by mixing it up with a bunch of misinformation a-la COINTELPRO, and then getting a bunch of impressionable people with mental health problems to go on a shooting spree and make everyone who follows so-called “conspiracy theories” look like a potential terrorist?

      • ediemeowgwick

        Truth? You think if Phallax Jones was spewing any truth onto your face you would be able to prove it to the masses.

        And if you think this was an attempt by “the man” to “discredit” your “reputable theories” then why isn’t your hated “liberal” MSM covering front to bottom? Theres barely been a mention and what has been covered has explicitly not mentioned their ties to the tea party or republican politics at all.

        • AnonymousUser

          Why isn’t the liberal MSM covering this front to bottom you ask? Well I don’t know what planet you’ve been vacationing on, but down here on Earth this incident has been all over the news for days

    • eric braun

      You conveniently ignore the fact that post-911 police are murdering people left and right in this country with little or no consequence.

      If the left-wing sheeple like yourself would do something effective to halt the march of tyranny then perhaps these right-wing freaks wouldn’t be coming out of the bag.

      • David L.

        You want to talk about police murders? Look no further than the Birmingham PD under commissioner Bull Connor. That’s what murdering people left and right means.

        It’s true that police brutality is still a problem nowadays, and an important issue when discussing public policy, but it can never justify the summary execution of a public servant in the back of the head. Never. There is a (imperfect) justice system in place that is supposed to deal with those officers who abuse their authority and commit homicide (whether accidental or on purpose). We can’t substitute the courts for any lunatic with a gun who takes it on himself to impart justice, Punisher-style, no matter how much A.C.A.B.-style fear-mongering has you convinced that the prime mission of the public security forces is to disarm and kill you.

        Bah, it’s a waste of energy anyways arguing with you right-wing freaks.

        • eric braun

          I absolutely agree that the officers murdered did not deserve it.

          However, I disagree with your milquetoast assertion that the citizens have no right to self-defense as we must concede to a failed system of accountability.

          I must have missed the part where Obama (who I voted for the first time) opened a real 911 investigation, or Iran/Contra, investigated the war profiteering crimes, repealed the Patriot Act and closed Guantanamo Bay….
          I only heard that if we didn’t bail out the banks there would be martial law and we have been rewarded with the NDAA for our compliance.

          Let me guess, you are a Hillary fan and “things are gonna get better if you would just vote for a lesser evil”?

          Pathetic… You are as weak as the Republiscum who continually complain about Obama and couldn’t come up with a decent candidate. Like Mondale/Dukakis/Gore/Kerry… Designed losers…who were they running against? The designed winners. These all were meant and designed to teach you a lesson in failure, the lesson being, you should accept the fact that you are to be given no other choice.

          You go on, then, without me and vote for Shrillery…

          • reggid

            Good Christ, it’s like you just recited the entire Dude-Bro manifesto. LOL — yeah, sure you voted for Obama . . . No, really, we believe you . . .

  • POTRZBE

    If the last several mass shootings in America show, including this one, tell us anything it is that there is a disconnect between mental illness and the ability to buy a gun. I am not sure how it could be done, given privacy rights and all, but if convicted felons can’t buy guns, seriously mentally ill people should not either.

    • dukesirius

      4% of shootings are committed by people with diagnosed mental illness. What we need to do is make owning a gun into a positive right, not a negative one; i.e. we need to make it so you have to prove your competence, not have your competence assumed.

      • JozefAL

        Or, we could go back to the Founders’ “original intent” as opposed to the version that SCOTUS’s “original intent” supporters invented.

        As the Founders wrote it, the 2nd Amendment was to ensure a “well-regulated militia.” It’s funny that the Court’s “original intent” advocates decided that clause didn’t mean what the Founders presumably intended it to mean.

        And, of course, when the Founders wrote that amendment, no one imagined that it would be possible for the “average” person (even as part of a “well-regulated militia”) would have the ability to own firearms that didn’t need a minimum of 2 minutes to load, aim and fire–much less, be able to fire dozens of rounds in a single minute.

        But, I suppose, “original intent” is like virtually everything else right-wingers champion: Great in theory, but if the practice becomes inconvenient, toss it with all haste.

        • https://twitter.com/HPLoveshaft H.P. Loveshaft

          I love how liberals try to twist the Second Amendment by focusing on the word “militia”, while blatantly ignoring the phrase, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

          What part of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” do you not understand?

          • reggid

            Nice strawman, jackass. No one disputes the right to bear arms, or denies the language you cite. But your cite of course, is incomplete: What it says is that “A well-regulated militia, being necessary . . . the right of the people to bear arms . . .” The right of the people to bear arms is specifically enumerated as being required for forming a well-regulated militia. Why do you ignore the language about the well-regulated militia?

          • AnonymousUser

            That’s because in the language that the Constitution was written in back then, “regulated” did not mean “restricted”, but rather well-disciplined and well-equipped. You falsely interpret “regulated” used in this context as meaning “limited” or “restricted.”

          • reggid

            Wow — your ignorance is matched only by your unerring ability to miss the point. The point, fool, is that as it is expressly written, the right to bear arms is explicitly tied to service in a well-regulated state militia. That’s why Courts consistently held for two centuries that the right to bear arms was a state right, and subject to a state’s right to regulate. It wasn’t until the latest batch of activist, right-wing ideologues lied their way through their confirmation hearings and then ignored both the plain language of the Second Amendment and two hundred years of precedent that the terms “being necessary to a well-regulated militia” have been read out of the document by the fake “original intent” justices. Look, I know you gun-fetishists are desperate to deflect and obfuscate, but try using an understanding of basic English when you post.

          • AnonymousUser

            I like the cute little ad-homs you keep throwing in there, it really adds a lot of “pizazz” to your comments. It is not “explicitly tied” to service in a militia. It does explicitly mention the need for a well-regulated militia, but it also states that “the right of the *people* to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” You conveniently ignore that last part and fail to acknowledge the obvious purpose of the 2nd amendment. I think that if you actually take the time to read it in it’s entirety, the intent becomes abundantly clear. It is necessary to the security of a *free* state (emphasis on “free” here) to have a well-regulated militia and to not infringe on it’s people’s right to bear arms.

          • reggid

            Aw, are you having a sad? It’s hard to tell with all the crazy.

          • AnonymousUser

            Your pathetic and entirely baseless ad-hominem attacks only serve to illustrate what a truly hopeless, immature and misinformed individual you are.

          • reggid

            Let the crazy flow, Anon.

          • AnonymousUser

            Yup, I’m crazy for pointing out the fact that you’re essentially a rambling douchebag who does little more than spew subjective, self-righteous remarks laced with childish insults and name-calling.

            You have not made a single viable argument in these comments. Your baseless claims demonstrate your extremely warped perception of reality and blatant ignorance of US history.

            All you’ve contributed to this discussion is the characteristic vapid and juvenile shit-talking I’ve come to expect from you narcissistic, mouth-foaming liberals.

            Congratulations. Here’s a gold star sticker for your forehead. You can wear it proudly wherever you go so that the world may know that you are Supreme King Retard of Arguing on the Interwebs.

          • reggid

            No, you’re crazy because you’re a fucking idiot spouting the usual right-wing nonsense and ignoring the plain language of the Constitution just because it suits you to do so. Good Christ, for those who claim so loudly to be defenders of the Constitution, you sure know awfully little about it. Two hundred years of jurisprudence flushed down the toilet by right-wing activist judges legislating from the bench, all so limp-dicked crazies like you can stroke yourselves off with your guns and the gun lobby and its clients can make a fortune.

          • AnonymousUser

            Cool story, bro. Way to prove my point. I’m done arguing with you – you’re absolutely hopeless. Here’s hoping that some day you’ll snap out of your mainstream media-induced slumber and go read some books or something.

            I’m going to go back to work now, you can go on ahead and go back to sitting in front of your TV watching Jon Stewert until your eyeballs melt and drip out of your skull

          • reggid

            Whacking your limp noodle to reruns of “Duck Dynasty” while you gently caress your AR-15 doesn’t really qualify as “working.”

    • conundrum

      Sounds like Amanda Miller, crazy, gun fetish, mass murder and suicide with a gun.

    • suesista

      When white people shoot inappropriately it’s all about ‘mental illness’—when black and brown people do it, it’s because they’re ‘criminals’. If Muslims do it, it’s because they’re ‘terrorists.’ Maybe time to quit looking at the shooters, and start thinking about the culture of violence, and the lame excuses made for it by arguing about mental illness vs criminals vs terrorists. They’re all the same to me. People with guns.

    • AnonymousUser

      There’s already a federal law that prohibits people with mental health issues from obtaining firearms. You’re calling for a law that already exists and has existed for quite a long time.

  • Kennet

    Clearly the good guys in this situation had guns, so…

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    I’ll bet you fifty bucks they were “Stormfront” users.

    • D_C_Wilson

      A hundred says someone on Fox will call them liberals before the end of the week.

      • Lauren

        It’s probably already happened.

      • suesista

        On the Fox web page there are hundreds of comments about the shooters being lefty socialists.

        • D_C_Wilson

          Not surprising. They do love the “95% of mass shooters were liberal democrats” lie.

          • AnonymousUser

            Liars talking about lies. Irony is ironic.

      • captkurt

        If Fox doesn’t, I’m sure Rush will.

        • https://twitter.com/HPLoveshaft H.P. Loveshaft

          No, moron. The whole “Let’s pin political views to murderers” is something YOUR side uses. Crazy leftist crashes a plane into an IRS building? Blame conservatives! Crazy leftist shoots up a political rally? Blame conservatives! Crazy leftist shoots up a Holocaust museum? Blame conservatives!

          I’ll give you a hundred dollars if Rush tries to claim this guy is a liberal…but only if you agree to shut your pie hole when he doesn’t.

          • reggid

            Wow — how many lies have you packed into one post? I count at least five.

          • captkurt

            Sorry, but I remember when former senator Gabby Giffords was shot in AZ, and Rush claimed that the shooter was a liberal, and somehow connected to the Obama administration. Unless of course that really is the truth. Then I’ll shut up.

          • AnonymousUser

            Well it was the truth. The guy was a pot smoking socialist. Not exactly your run-of-the-mill right winger… Did you seriously not bother to do any research into that Loughner guy at all?

          • captkurt

            Granted, but the back story on the shooter became evident some time after the shooting. I believe Rush made his statements somewhere around 24 hours after the incident. When someone pulls something out of their ass, that ultimately has some elements of truth to it, it doesn’t necessarily mean they know what they are talking about.