Conservatives Say Obama Has Lost More US Troops Than Bush. That’s Crazy.

In the middle of one of my regular arguments with conservatives on Twitter, I was surprised to see several of them make the assertion that we had lost more U.S. troops in combat with President Obama than we did under President Bush.

Being a member in long standing of the reality based nation, I decided to do some Googling. It literally took all of 5 minutes to get the pertinent information, and to generate a chart in Excel, something I am far from an expert at.

Shocker: It isn’t true. It isn’t remotely true. It isn’t even close to true.

I made this chart using parameters very favorable to Bush. I included troop deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2009 under Obama’s numbers, when in fact the reality is even though he became commander in chief in January of 2009, his strategies in the region would not be implemented for several months.

Even under that wide latitude, bending over backwards really, the numbers just don’t compare.

It’s also worth noting the amount of American soldiers who died in Iraq in 2012: 1. And the amount who have died through November 20 of 2013: 0.

I should also further note that I was a supporter of the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 under President Bush. I think we should leave now, but I think that our actions there were warranted by the attack on us on 9/11. I think the troops who have died there under both presidents did so for an actual, clear reason.

By comparison, Iraq was always a mistake and will always remain so. The troops died there because the Bush administration lied America into a war and refused to adjust our strategies there under a terrible Defense Secretary (Rumsfeld) for the venal satisfaction of his own, sick ego.

The deaths of American troops in both theaters stand in stark contrast to each other, and it is one of the reasons I often bring up Bush and his policies: It is wrong to send American soldiers to their deaths for lies or no real reason.

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  • markypolo

    For the record, IRAQ war was essentially over when Oblamy took office. Comparing the two as regards Casualties is IMBECILE. Afghanistan is a different story. This IS where Obama’s policy HAS resulted in MORE casualties. One such policy is His ” Do not shoot unless you SEE a weapon”. How about THAT for moronics?

  • Darp

    Those statistics are close for Afghanistan . Go to http://icasualties.org/oef/ for real time ones.

    Coalition Military Fatalities By Year http://icasualties.org/oef/ Its 1,710 for Obama, 630 for Bush in Afghanistan. 73% died under Obama. Its a well kept secret. Most people would guess 25% under Obama because the main war had been over for 5 Years before he took office.

    Obama said big footprint, big escalation in Afghanistan, in 2008 election, would reduce deaths. It has not. Opposite happened.

  • kevinbarry

    I guess you stupid bastards can’t count, I know math is a difficult subject for you Obama supporters, you Idiot’s can’t get anything right, Debt numbers, Unemployment numbers, and now this and you Idiot’s wouldn’t know the TRUTH if you fell face first on it. God you people are flat out Stupid. http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/obamavsbush

  • SemperFi

    Your stats are WAY off! http://icasualties.org/ proves you and liberal lies ALL wrong. As for the Bush lies, try doing some research on this instead of listening to left wingers lie some more. Read Bomb in My Garden and Saddam’s Lies. Review videos of the found WMD trucks (found by US Marines). Review the mass graves. Review the recovered videos of tests done on animals and people using WMD. In case you don’t know, WMD includes GAS. For God’s sake, if you’re going to blog about something and take responsibility for FACTS, at least have the decency to be ACCURATE!

  • Troy

    obama has had 1/2 the battle engagement time, and was handed a stable situation…Bush had 2 x as long for a casualties to build up during his 2 terms, and had to defend america in a dangerous and unstable/unknown situation…translation…Bush handed Obama a win, and Obama still managed to f it up.

    • John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmid

      LOL! No, Iraq was not stable when Obama came into office, nor when he withdrew the troops.

      Why lie so transparently, Kook-Aid boi?

      • Troy

        okay glass house…stop swallowing the Hussein O, main stream press lies and get a clue…it was very stable…what is wrong with people like you?

        • John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmid

          You can stomp your little feet and clench your tiny fists white with rage, child, but it won’t magically make it true.

          Please read slowly: Iraq. Was. Not. Stable. When. Obama. Came. Into. Office.

          Why lie so transparently when you don have to?

          • Troy

            Typical socialist lie swallower…Iraq was stable, had voted in elections, and was controlled by the US and their own people.  Instability was transfered by Hussein O to Afghanistan, where the BUSH RECOMMENDED SURGE stabilized that country and rescued victory from Hussein O’s impending defeat.  Then Hussein O removed the troops from Iraq, and it is finally in 2014, destabilizing.  As genious removes the troops from Afghanistan, guess what?  The same will happen.
            You people are so brainwashed you can’t look at actual events, timelines and factual information if it doesn’t agree with your politics…it’s sad to have Americans like you f ing up the country with your wishful thinking instead of effort and reality.
            Since Hussein O took over and pushed the reset button with pantsuit Hildabeast, we now have:
            Less freedom, more government regulation and control directed from DC instability in:  Iraq, Afghanistan, America, Mexico, Syria, Israel, Russia, Lybia Iran on the verge of nukes
            North Korea rattling is saber at us

            Distrust from Germany for spying on their Chancellor
            Higher taxes,
            higher costs in healthcare with less choice
            (remember, lie of the year, you can keep your own plan and doctor)…5 million people thrown off their plan so far under genious’s plan Gas prices when Bush left office:  $1.85 gallon….under genious:  $3.85 gallon. Illegals running over the boarder with all kinds of diseases, to get on welfare you and I pay for IRS scandal
            trading 5 high ranking murderers/terrorists from Gitmo for a traitor who walked off his base (Bergdahl) 90% increase in food stamps from the welfare president
            Murdered border patrol agents in us with guns given to murderers in Mexico by Hussein O & Holder…fast and furious Lois Lerner’s IRS hard drive emails crashed…lol…I’m sure you believe that fraud Illegal wire tapping of grandma’s in South Dakota, not terrorists calling in from Pakistan as Bush had done Released 60k convicted criminals from california prisons, illegal alien convicted criminals, including sex predators and murders who were convicted in US courts. (in June)
            The list is endless of the crimes emulating from the white house with executive orders instead of passing laws thru the legislative branch by the dictator wannabe…
            You’ve probably stopped reading all this as with most liberal socialist kool aid drinkers, reality and facts give you a headache…

          • John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmid

            LOL! Useful idiots like you are a dime a dozen. Having elections doesn’t mean the country was stable, stupid child.

            Why is it children like you are so in fear of reality?

            For that matter, why is it so hilariously predictable that emotional basket-cases like you, utterly devoid of logic and rationality, bring up things utterly irrelevant to the topic when you can’t back up your claims. The IRS? Fast & Furious?

            Intellectual cowards like you will never learn, but here, have some actual facts before you break down in tears again.

            http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2014/0110/The-myth-of-Iraq-s-squandered-stability

            Nice owning you. Thanks for being my bitch.

          • John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmid

            Here, have some more: a list of violence from one day alone.

            Jan 18, 2009

            http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/01/18/59961/round-up-of-daily-violence-in.html

            Please be less stupid.

          • Troy

            Glass house…the troop deaths in Iraq in 2008 & 2009 were less than 300 combined…and in 2009, the monthly total averaged between 3-9, far less than Husseins’ Chicago with an average of 15-25 murders per month.
            Socialists Koolaid chuggers like yourself can’t look at facts and always resort to name calling when it is YOU who cannot back up your stupid statements with any factual argument…I feel sorry America that normal people have keep dragging idiots like you thru life by pointing out facts you cannot  overcome and always instead, resort to name calling an whining about what somebody did to you…get a clue mind numbed robot of the socialist party…

          • John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmid

            So what? Troop death levels do not necessarily mean a stable country, dunce. There were literally hundreds of bombings and/or killings each and every year, and Chicago is utterly irrelevant to this, Teabilly.

            Closeted life-long welfare parasites like you never learn to think.

            Thanks, again, for running from reality and facts and for being the bitch in this relationship.

            Please stop crying.

          • Troy

            Glass House,

            5 messages in and you have yet to cite a fact that supports a single of your koolaid chugging left wing dependency class positions…you are Hussein O’s bitch, repeating the lies…
            Stability is what we had and what was lost by Hussein O in Iraq (which is backed up by the lack of troop deaths over two years as Hussien O took the wheel…Libs, can’t handle the truth, so resort to a barrage of name calling…WEAK & SILLY…you are being issued a factual reality beating on this cite and you are too stupid to know it…everyone is laughing when your empty name calling supports every point I make and support with examples of real actually reality based facts and versus your silly rants…hahahaha…keep em coming numb nuts…everyone with a brain is laughing at you twit.
            Hussein O is repeating the same blunders in Afghanistan, and repeated in Libya, Eqypt with his stupid Arab Spring idea, Syria, Israel, Russia and soon the world when he looks the other way while Iran gets nukes…all while campaigning fund raising to come up with one liners that always fool to fools of America, of which you are a general.  Even the democratic leadership is questioning what he is doing, but sheep like you follow with a nose ring in and let the rest of America figure it out, protect you, and pay for your worthless life…

          • John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmid

            LOL! I linked to very specific information that backs up exactly what I said, and you have provided nothing but irrelevancies about troops deaths. Iraq simply wasn’t stable, no matter how hard you cry or muss up your petticoats.

            And the Arab Spring was Obama’s idea? LOLOL! You’re so far out of your depth it’s pitiful.

            I love it when you run from your own words in tears.

            Please be less stupid in the future, Tinkerbell.

          • Troy

            3 troop deaths per month in Iraq for several months in a row before and during the handoff to Hussein O isn’t stable in the entire country of Iraq…gotcha…23 murders over the weekend in Chicago…LOL…keep making my point dunce…
            Keep sucking the socialists Husseins d$ck and keep blind to reality…we love it when dependency class socialists rant and repeat instead of think and question the lame stream media …your link isn’t factual, it’s propoganda…they gotcha right where they want you dependency class dunce…what government program are you currently benefiting from…are you man enough to admit you recieve someone elses money for whatever you spend your worthless life doing?

  • flamestar

    The Republicans would rather 4803 Americans die then 1926 so they look at Afghanistan. To ignore Iraq is treason. The war were set up just like Johnson did in Vietnam. It was fought to be lost for war profiteers. There is no defense for Obama he kept Bush’s treasonous policies. Both are traitors and their defenders are traitors. Bush deceived Americans going into Iraq because people thought Saddam was going to use WMDs within the month. He deliberately gave people the wrong impression. But no one right or left wants to talk about it because everyone is on the take.

  • William Sotak

    This article is a simple bait and switch of facts. The subject was “us troops lost” but the data given is based on only two countries.

  • Theresa Henderson

    i get it now, this is a far left “media” outlet

  • Theresa Henderson

    so, i am still trying to find out by my own search which president has had the most war deaths, how did you word your searching?

    • Theresa Henderson

      i have no problem finding the numbers per war but not per president

  • vandagoes

    ….

  • bobby daugherty

    When Bush left office 575 US Military deaths had been recorded in Afghanistan since Obama took over there have been over 1600 have died.

  • 60% of America is stupid!

    Oliver is clearly a raciest and hates white people…that is why he bashes Bush.
    (This is what Liberals would say if this article was bashing Obama….)

  • Amy Edmondson

    As a Army wife. I support Bush.. He looked after the well being of are troops. War is hard, however, we are apart of NATO if they go to war so do we. Having our troop morale high will help. Obama cutting everything down to dangerously low levels is stupid beyond belief. Reality check people there is still terrorist threats.

    • trey knicksfan

      you do realize Congress makes the cuts to the budget right?

  • Kent

    While it is true that more died in Iraq under Bush than under Obama… it should be pointed out that under Bush the war lasted around 7 years, and under Obama around 2. And of course by the time Obama took office the war was winding down. So of course more soldiers died under Bush… no surprise there. Second, indeed, 300% more soldiers died under Obama in Afghanistan than under Bush. If one were to look at the average number of soldiers killed per year, (the numbers on this report are incomplete), Average per year under Bush, around 600, average per year under Obama, around 550. The moral here is that war is war… regardless of who is at the helm, people die! And neither president stood out from the other during these two wars.

  • RCLUVSANN

    the point conservatives make is that the media is very selective in what it reports. Under Bush’s tenure, we saw DAILY body counts and lots of images of coffins coming home with American flags. Under Obama’s surge, double the number of deaths and pretty close to no media coverage. You can look at facts any way you want – Obama’s policy was to surge in Afghanistan and run like hell out of Iraq. If you want to conflate the two, then be our guest, but surely even you can see the obvious disparate media attention and/or stereotyping.

    • trey knicksfan

      our? are there more than one of you?

  • Sam Spade

    Hey ass-clown, you combined the data for Afgan and Iraq for the Bush Afghan total for Bush. Also, you seem to forget that we pulled out of Iraq. Lastly, you are comparing 8 years of Bush to 6 years of Barry. I bet you were a riot in statistics classes. It is fortunate that Hussein’s bunch were overthrown before Barry was sworn in.

  • Donald Schuster

    The real problem is being overlooked by people on this site. ObamaCare will cause over 14 millions more deaths in this country by some estimates. As my liberal/progressive friends would say he lied and more will die.

    • John Roman

      You are a friggin idiot.

      • Donald Schuster

        Well I wonder when a liberal name calling would begin. If you would only take that 3rd grade education, go to Google and do so research you to could learn what is really happen and quit battling old business. Like your leader Hillary would would say that happened a long time ago who cares. Bush at least let the troops have ammo in their weapons.

        • trey knicksfan

          republicans are killing thousands daily simply by NOT expanding medicaid alone. ACA will save lives, not take them. “friggin idiot” is an appropriate term.

  • Guest

    Well, I am going to say this, any of you idiots that are defending Obama are just that, idiots. Bush was in office when both conflicts started,your savior the mighty Obama campaigned on the fact that he was going to bring all troops home and end U.S. casualties, has he done this? Not only did he not deliver on his promise he has caused MORE deaths…and somehow you don’t seem to understand this?!

    • John Roman

      I guess you failed chart reading at middle school?

    • Ibinaround2

      Bush was in office when the wars started? He STARTED the damned wars!!!

      • Ban Liberals

        No, liberal moron, MOOSLIMS started the war!

        • Ibinaround2

          No Contard, Bush made the decision to start a full scale war, when other measures could have been used. All Bush did was create MORE terrorists…

          • Ban Liberals

            Keep writing, moron, proving just how backward liberals really are. Your logic defies even liberal intelligence. EVERY MOOSLIM ON THE PLANET is a terrorist. “More” cannot be created except by birth.

          • Ibinaround2

            Bushit. You ignorant wingers are devoid of knowledge, except what Fox or Rush, Beck or the other “conservative” sites pump into your small brains.

            You Bush apologists are to be pitied…

          • Ban Liberals

            I’m actually impressed by your stupidity. You’re so stupid, the cucarachas crawling in from Mexico make you look dumb. Go creep back into the liberal hole from where you emerged and BEGONE before you embarrass yourself further, libtard.

          • Ibinaround2

            Right back at ya’ slick. Hey, aren’t you missing Fox “news”? Or is that what’s on in the background?

  • Gerald Leddin
  • Candice Harris

    The Military has very different numbers than you have (??) where did yours come from?

  • Captain ‘Merica

    Credibility = ZERO

    “I should also further note that I was a supporter of the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 under President Bush. I think we should leave now, but I think that our actions there were warranted by the attack on us on 9/11.”

    Yeah, good call on that one, what with all that evidence that was produced about Afghanistan carrying out 9/11…

  • Pinkamena Diane Pie

    Looks like a concerted effort is underway by the RWNJs to upvote their own.

  • feloniousgrammar

    There weren’t as many deaths under Bush in Afghanistan, because there weren’t enough troops in Afghanistan to do anything successfully, and because the Bush badministration turned its attention to Iraq— which it lied to get support for, and then the Bush Administration fucked it all up in terms that probably haven’t been coined yet, because it was galling and disastrous beyond all reason for a country that’s half crazy (far left and far right) anyway. If their goal was to create a vacuum of a failed state that would become a cluster-fuck controlled by the most fundamentalist and mercenary bastards who could grab a gun and shoot people they don’t identify with, then they could not have done it better.

    The Bin Laden was suddenly so five minutes ago—

    until President Obama had him assassinated.

    Here is some history:

    … historians say resistance to providing more robust resources to Afghanistan had three sources in the White House and the Pentagon.

    First, President George W. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld had criticized using the military for peacekeeping and reconstruction in the Balkans during the 1990s. As a result, “nation building”carried a derogatory connotation for many senior military officials, even though American forces were being asked to fill gaping voids in the Afghan government after the Taliban’s fall.

    Second, military planners were concerned about Afghanistan’s long history of resisting oreign invaders and wanted to avoid the appearance of being occupiers. But the historians argue that this concern was based partly on an “incomplete” understanding of the Soviet experience in Afghanistan*.

    Third, the invasion of Iraq was siphoning away resources. After the invasion started in March 2003, the history says, the United States clearly “had a very limited ability to increase its forces” in Afghanistan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world/asia/31history.html?_r=3&hp&

    So, of course more soldiers have died in Afghanistan under the Obama Administration— there were more soldiers, and they were actually fighting a war in order to help make the government of Afghanistan able to provide enough security to keep extremists from using Afghanistan as the number one terrorist training resort in the world. The job required more than a few gestures being made while focusing on carrying out an unjustified invasion and occupation launched on the basis of lies, that created a failed state that quickly spiraled into sectarian violence that targeted everyone. There were no deaths in that war that were vindicated, no matter how much the Bush Administration likes to hold the corpse of Saddam Hussein up as some sort of victory; most Iraqis were better off under Hussein— except for Shiite extremists who are in control now. We haven’t even got an explanation for WHY they attacked Iraq and a reckoning of all the things they did wrong and how many Iraqis were killed or injured by injured by U.S. troops and others who took full advantage of a failed state to rape, kidnap, torture, and/or kill whoever they considered to be their enemy and their families.

    But more Americans soldiers died in Afghanistan during Obama’s administration than under Bush’s. The right sit’s up on it’s back paws and mewls— ‘Obama is worse than
    Bush’— as if everyone else is also in denial about what how disastrous his presidency was. And the emotarian left cries in it’s organic granola because Obama didn’t just make every prior death in Afghanistan meaningless by just pulling up stakes and pulling
    everyone out of Afghanistan as soon as he took office, because all the people in Afghanistan who worked with us are just props, right?

    It doesn’t matter if anyone in the category of terrorist from anywhere in the world can take holidays in Afghanistan to learn how to make bombs, train suicide bombers, recruit psychopaths, etc. And if the Taliban wants to kill a lot of their fellow citizens— which they do— then so what? So what if the Taliban takes over Afghanistan and/or Pakistan. One POTUS starts a war, and the next POTUS is supposed to stop it on a dime, because there are FEELINGS with no understanding, no context, and no sense of history.

    The body count is higher in Afghanistan under Obama = Obama worse than Bush.

    Idiots. You got nothing.

    * “an “incomplete” understanding of the Soviet” is the middle name of every Team B neocon in the Bush Administration. Pappy Bush made sure they stayed in the basement. W. Bush gave them the reigns and they failed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

  • WassupSir

    the author also conveniently forgets the intel used by bush was inherited from the clinton admin … the Iraq resolution passed with 29 of 50 dem senators support – most of whom served during clinton admin and had seen the iraq situation (WMDs) evolve for many years…

    • trey knicksfan

      actually, the intel used to make the case to invade Iraq was planted in the new york times by the bush administration.

  • Mosely

    I think that what the author (or the author’s conservative twitter friends) have mistaken is that Obama has lost more troops in Afganistan, not overall. It should be obvious that Bush was in office for longer than Obama, so he would naturally lose more troops overall. I think the main question is, why would either president want to lose any men to help these people? How many raped women have to be stoned before we give these monsters up as a lost cause? Leave these places. Isolationism 4 life

  • Chris Horsefield

    So the facts are more than 3 times the amount of United States personnel died and are still dying in Afghanistan under Obama. And guantanamo bay is still open. Yes more died in Iraq under bush, we kicked out a government and took over a country, Obama (Another of his lies) said he would be out of Afghanistan in 3 years. Is anything Obama says true?

    • zen

      Banter is shilling for Obama, the man who accelerated the war in Afganistan to prove his moxie. It is disgusting to see the backing of war after all these years, hidden behind Blame Bush, again, after all these years.

      • trey knicksfan

        cowboy bush started a two front war. obama is cleaning up the mess as best he can.

    • ozarksgal

      And 3 times the amount of US personnel died under Bush in Iraq than Obama, and Obama’s Afghanistan is still way less than 50% of the deaths than Bush so…. does math not work in your alternative universe???

  • RobiZ

    So either party will send our men and women to die in foreign countries. I used to watch the news and every day I saw the death count and protesters… I see neither anymore. Did the protesters care more about party affiliation than the war? Shame on them! Have we shut down Guantanamo? Where was the backlash for killing an American teen with a drone? I didn’t see much of it except on the Daily Show. We heard about the water boarding; however, recently the UN sent 3 reports dealing with torture in Afghanistan under Obama. What about the huge surge of Afghan civilian deaths. Are we going to ignore this, when it used to make headlines? I so wish people would stop defending or condemning a man simply because of the party he belongs to. Both Bush and Obama have mislead us in these wars, and lied to us about what they were doing. Yet depending on which party you belong to, you’ll condemn one and defend the other…

    • zen

      It’s the Democrats fault now, they are in power and failing badly. Obama caused massive bloodshed in Egypt and Syria just by unleashing his vast ignorance.

  • American White Dude

    In other news, Lincoln was a Democrat and 90% of Americans claim no Gender affiliation. Moving on…..

  • American White Dude

    The assertion is regarding Afghanistan. Since the media is hiding it, many Americans don’t know there is still a war. Why are we still there, anyway?

    • Chris Horsefield

      Obama. The Lier in Chief

  • Andrew Joiner

    So it would be fair to say many more American Troops have died in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush?

    • Chris Horsefield

      YES, 3 times the amount and STILL dying.

      • kyle dudewell

        oh shut up

      • yourmomsidol

        you righties kill me. If Obama pulled troops out of Afghanistan on the first day of his presidency, you morons would have been crying about that as well. hypocrites. most repub pols want to stay there anyway. Wake up, sheep.

        • AirForceMomJo

          You’re an idiot.

          • yourmomsidol

            witty

          • nevilleross

            More like YOU are.

          • TheSotSays

            How are you making out in your new job as “test passenger? You’re a bit of a loser Neville. They’re not going to be happy that you’ve gone and gotten yourself fingered.

          • Ban Liberals

            Childish stupidity as usual, from the left.

        • Ban Liberals

          The only “morons” in sight are on the left. Brainless clowns devoid of enough intelligence to sift through FACTS, which liberals despise because they’d need a brain to analyze them.

          • yourmomsidol

            Wow. Witty. What are you, a third-grader? “No you are” is a child’s comeback.

          • Ban Liberals

            Your wit seems to come from munching on buffalo chips — the libtard’s staple food.

          • yourmomsidol

            Facts? See the chart and weep, nitwit.

          • Ban Liberals

            Bite me, moron, is that the best you libturds can do?

          • SemperFi

            That chart isn’t fact sheep! Look at the REAL numbers, not the ones obama approves of telling you. The reason it took him all of 5 minutes to find what he wanted is because he jumped on the numbers he wanted to see, not what was FACT. Go to the DOD web site and look it up yourself instead of blindly following someone else!
            As for the “3rd grade reply” you so promptly exposed, sometimes it’s best to write at the level of the reader to make sure they understand.

        • DrWayner

          But he didn’t did he? If liberals would try reality and truth for a change they would become non existant. Talk about “sheep.”

        • SemperFi

          Your problem is you can’t identify sheep. But I won’t call you names like you have done others. You can’t help yourself because you haven’t learned how to think or speak for yourself. Sheep would be the people who can’t look up a damn thing on their own and blindly believe and follow their leader. That would be those on the left following the masters of lying, obama, pelosi, and reid. The sheep let the media and politicians tell them how to think and what to say. That would be those following the liars obama, reid, and pelosi. You don’t have the facts straight, you only have the balls to call someone a moron because you are safely tucked away behind your keyboard. That’s a sheep. Try something called courtesy instead of false bravado and parroting. Then try something called FACTS!

          • yourmomsidol

            instead, non-sheep listen to Rush and Hannity, right, idiot?

          • SemperFi

            No little man, I don’t listen to either. Which once again is just more proof of what a true sheep you are that jumps to conclusions just like your little uber liberals told you to. Better luck next time. Now go take your nap.

      • flamestar

        But you won’t admit that more died totally under Bush.

    • Burzghash

      When you give us a good reason to differentiate between total troops lost and picking and choosing single destinations, then we might have a reason to care.

    • kyle dudewell

      i dont think thats the point.some people rally have a weird way of just being,wow.The point is Bush was and is a fuckin moron who should have been tried for his crimes.4,222 (compared to the 1600 ur talkin about under obama?)dead soldiers from a bogus war,iraq.I was flabbergasted when he sent troops there .

      • AirForceMomJo

        What crimes would that be? Using documents supplied by the CIA and other US intellegence agencies and presenting them to a congress of 535 people from all states (the majority of which were DEMOCRAT’s which you lefties seem not to ever remember) for approval for a declaration of war?? Hmmmmm you lefties must not know thats how its supposed to be done. Unlike your Idol Barry Obama and Libya.

    • JoeDrager

      Looks like 3:1, Obama to Bush.

      • MAH

        Cuase most Bush caused deaths were in the wrong county. You count that as a good thing?

      • flamestar

        1926 Soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq Under Obama, 4803 Soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq Under Bush It three to one for your side the side that kills Americas and is owned by the Saudis,

    • flamestar

      Yes it is true but it are you willing to admit that more people died in both wars under Bush. If not that you are are a traitor.

      • Andrew Joiner

        A traitor. That doesn’t even make sense. Bush lost 564 men in Afghanistan in 8 years, versus Obama’s 1641 men lost in 5 years. I’m not sure what the numbers are for Iraq, but troop forces were being drastically reduced while Bush was still in office, so I’d assume there were more killed during Bush’s term than Obama’s there.

        • flamestar

          You don’t know? If you cared about the truth you would look it up. You either looked up Afghanistan because it would make Bush look good or because you thought it was important. The fact that you didn’t look up Iraq shows it was all for politics not because you care about American. I know you think you care but you have turned your soul and will over to the extreme right and they have used the same tricks that the communists used to make fanatics. You think that you are a victim and that lying is justified because these are desperate times. And you think that anyone who disagrees with you is just as much a liar as you are except they will bring about the end of the world.

          • Andrew Joiner

            This is too funny! Another bitter liberal not willing to do the legwork! I did a quick search and that information was not readily available, or I would have included it. I even said Bush probably lost more men than Obama, even though I couldn’t find that information. Logic would dictate that Bush would have lost more since he conducted the war and had more troops in the country. I think I’m a victim? Hardly! Where do you get this stuff? Are you taking your lithium?

          • flamestar

            Andrew Joiner I did a quick search and that information was not readily available, or I would have included it.\\\
            Not Readily Available IT IS ON THIS SITE. GOD EXPOSES PEOPLE LIKE YOU. I am a Conservative. You are a mindless slave of talk radio. Talk radio who is owned by foreigners. You walked right into a trap because it is on the BANTER site itself. This very site. Ha Ha. Then the lithium crack. You have no self respect. Here are the numbers you say no one can find. 1. 1662 Soldiers died in Afghanistan Under Obama, 581 Soldiers died in Afghanistan Under Bush 2. 264 Soldiers died in Iraq Under Obama, 4333 Soldiers died in Iraq Under Bush 4. 1926 Soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq Under Obama, 4803 Soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq Under Bush It’s all there on this site. The bottom line is you will never tell the truth or support America.

          • Andrew Joiner

            You are, at a minimum, bi-polar or have some other mental illness. You may have hours and hours to scour the internet, since you’re probably on disability of some type, but most of us actually have real jobs. Mindless slave of talk radio? You need psychiatric help. I recommend you seek it out.

          • flamestar

            There is aminium time any search takes. It was on this site so how long could it take. It took a few minutes. If Andrew did any search at all it would have taken as much time. Caught in a lie he calls names. But note the traitor never addressed the issue. He never admitted that I was right, People understand there no point in talking someone like Andrew. He will never keep his word or tell the truth. He is a militant enemy of America,

    • SemperFi
  • jbfaust

    This one is quite interesting. It discusses how many people have been killed by Obama by drones.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread951989/pg1

    • Pinkamena Diane Pie

      >posting links to abovetopsecret
      >jasonalexander.jpg

  • jbfaust
  • jbfaust
    • Kyle Villareal

      oh yea… great source… Go ahead and throw in poltifact and politco and cnn… Wait the be all end all Snopes…

      Facts on the Internet are two words that should be classified as an oxymoron.

  • jbfaust

    Did a little research and found your numbers to be false as of 2011.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120087842

    There have been more soldiers lost since Obama, and mainly in 2010-2011

    • Stonefallow .

      That only covers the war in Afghanistan. If you actually look at the chart above, it shows that indeed about three times as many soldiers died in Afghanistan under Obama. BUT, many many more soldiers died in Iraq under Bush, pushing the total number of soldiers killed under Bush far above Obama.

      • summer Jones

        Afghanistan
        Obama’s deaths were in 3 /12 years
        Bush was 8 years

        Bush had two terms
        O has 1 so far so there is no comparison. Who knows what will happen next

        • Stonefallow .

          The war in Iraq commenced in 2003, just two years after the war in Afghanistan. In that time, Bush had over 4200 casualties in Iraq alone, while Obama had 264 casualties. Looking at both wars together, Bush has lost over twice as many people as Obama. Do we need to rethink our strategy in Afghanistan? Most likely, but this claim being made by conservatives is nothing more than party serving propaganda.

        • you_know_it

          Perhaps you’ll stop posting such stupidity.

          Doubt it.

        • Shahhe

          You are begging the question here, and cherry picking the information, while special pleading, and even some slippery slop thrown in there.
          That could be a record.

          “Who knows what will happen next” That is a slippery slope fallacy if I have ever seen one. (And an appeal to emotions, but if I add to many I would begin to become encumbered), the base is, you don’t know, I don’t know, and making incorrect assumptions and implications are not going to do any good.
          Especially when considering that the US is ending Afghanistan in 2014. So assuming anything about the future that has no reason to go the way you assume it would go, and indeed shows signs of going the opposite way is not helping your point. If you had one.

          And I didn’t want to mention it, but your whole point was a red herring, an attempt to derail and distract the conversation because you didn’t like the outcome of where the previous one was heading.

      • Ironhorse Rider

        The bulk of the Iraq war was pretty much over when Obama came in.
        Of course fewer casualties when conflict is winding down. Google the timeline.

      • animevil

        https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/report_by_year_manner.xhtml

        This is a military site that has the deaths of military servicemen and women broken down by year (without regards to what war they were in) all deaths, accidental, and hostile action. I totaled the Hostile action deaths from 2001-2009 and it comes to 4129 so I don’t know where the writer got his numbers from but they are wrong.

    • summer Jones

      YOu are correct

    • kyle dudewell

      not possible,ever,anytime in this world.Dream the fuck on poopie pants

  • jbfaust

    Where did you get your numbers from?

  • Jerry S

    575 US troops died in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency. By August 18, 2010, following two troop surges initiated by President Obama, that number had doubled. Today, over 1500 US troops have died in Afghanistan since President Obama took office—and yet, little in that war-torn country has changed.

    These numbers should give us pause. While the Administration has publicly conceded that there is no military solution in Afghanistan, and claimed that it supports ‘Afghan-led reconciliation’, its policy on the ground is marked by a refusal to establish a timetable for full military withdrawal even after misleading Americans into thinking that all US troops would be out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

    We must ask ourselves how many more lives will be sacrificed before the Obama administration sets a clear end date for America’s longest war.

  • Jerry S

    So you agree that under Obama more than 3 times as many soldiers died under Obama!

    That is the conservative argument, not the total number of deaths in both wars.

    And the reason for the 1662 deaths? Obama’s restrictive ROE’s. In other words, most of the deaths could have been prevented.

    Google that!

    here’s some help:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/26/rules-of-engagement-bind-us-troops-actions-in-afgh/?page=all#pagebreak

    • Chris Horsefield

      And the number is still going up under Obama. The Lier in Chief.

      • zen

        And the liars in the press.

      • Kevin Hickey

        What’s a Lier?

  • Matt BabcocktheSolution Adcock
  • Matt BabcocktheSolution Adcock

    How about innocnets in drone strikes? how many of them have Bush killed more than Obama? since the chosen one stated he is “quite good at killing people”

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  • http://wetcasements.wordpress.com wetcasements

    Not to mention 3,000 Americans murdered in New York and DC under Chimpy’s watch.

  • Terry Shannon

    In any event that is 6729 too many. And then, should we add up all of the other people who have died? Iraqis, Afghanis, members of Bush’s “Coalition of the Willing?” How many thousands? How many hundreds of thousands?

  • GeorgiaYankee

    So where’d they get that ridiculous assertion from?

  • Vipsanius

    Whatever “works”. Say whatever you feel the need/urge to say. More likely than not, you will get away with it.

    • Mick Rusk

      Especially if you say it enough times to people who want to believe the lie in the first place.

  • GrafZeppelin127

    “Conservatives” (or, fans of the GOP (or, people who now call themselves “independents” (meaning, people who voted for George W. Bush twice))) are appalled by what they enabled. The horror and suffering and death and destruction unleashed on the world by the last administration is almost beyond grasp. Knowing that your vote, if not your vocal and enthusiastic support, helped make all that happen is too much for some people. This is a defense mechanism.

    • zen

      You are responsible for all the deaths and mistakes of all the recent years, even though your media doesn’t report it.

      • GrafZeppelin127

        Translation: “You’re absolutely right, therefore I will change the subject.”

    • RobiZ

      I suppose we should have voted for Kerry in the second election; however, Bush sought congressional approval and Kerry voted for the war. He also had a plan to give Iraq an ultimatum and a couple months to comply, which Bush used. Given your statement then, it would be the problem of anyone who voted for not only the president but the congressmen who voted for the war too, and we didn’t have candidate in 2004 who didn’t support the war. Gosh, I guess both parties should feel ashamed and should feel appalled.

      • GrafZeppelin127

        Translation: “You’re right, so I’ll change the subject.”

  • feloniousgrammar

    ZOCHRIST!

    I think I see how they do it. Check out some of the comments at http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/first-couples-therapy-100054.html?ml=m_u3_1. I could only read part of the first page before I started feeling kinda barf-y.

    Let me spell it out for you. Obama was a stoner and drug users whose grades would have never allowed him to enter college on his own. THIS IS A FACT. Obama even with lowered standards because of his races still couldn’t get in.

    According to the New York Times, Khalid al-Mansour, a close adviser to Saudi Prince Al Waleed bin-Talal and mentor to the founders of the original Black Panther party, solicited letters of recommendation to help Obama get into Harvard. (An intelligent person, which I realize leaves out the bots, would be asking themselves right about now why would the Saud Royals take such a strong interest in a then unknown Obama—-and might even then further ask themselves since when do Sunni muslim Sauds EVER in the history of the world help anyone that isn’t a Sunni muslim but I digress)

    The Saudi royals have been large benefactors of Harvard and other schools. Which probably explains the middle east wars of Harvard Obama and Havard Bush(including Obama attempted illegal one with Syria) to help out the Sauds specifically Prince Bandar who was flat out documented bribing other countries leaders to take out his personal enemy Syria and specifically ASSAD.
    Yes, the Sauds funded Obama’s campaign as did other terrorists like Hamas members———————which is well documented. In fact, there was a nice article put out during the first election that Obama was taking ILLEGAL donations from the GAZA strip terrorists——and then putting that the donations had come from “GA” as in Georgia to hide the funds.
    BTW, I do hate Obama….he’s a lying crook—but even worse he is especially dumb so I have trouble accepting that the American populace has dumb down so much that Obama and his propaganda media could fool so many. He should be impeached and imprisoned for the various crimes he has been committing and murders he has been causing. And you may wanna note, I am no demmie—when I post something, I can back it up with facts easily.

    People believe this shit.

    • Christopher Foxx

      THIS IS A FACT.

      Rule of thumb: When you have to SHOUT that your claim is a fact? It isn’t.

      • Vipsanius

        Do not tell that to radio talk show personalities. if you do, they will yell louder so you can understand them better.

      • Christopher Foxx

        when I post something, I can back it up with facts easily.

        Rule of thumb #2: People who have facts to back themselves up actually present those facts. People who merely claim they do, don’t.

        • AirForceMomJo

          So where’s your facts? And it depends on where you get your “facts” from. Media Matters, MSNBC, the Huffington Joke do NOT count a factual sources

          • Christopher Foxx

            So where’s your facts?

            I wasn’t the one making the claim. The commenter at politico was. It’s not incumbent on me to provide facts to refute an argument that lacks them.

            Rule of thumb #3: People who have no support for their arguments will be the first to challenge you to present yours.

    • Vipsanius

      This what I tell them:
      “If you find it expedient to believe that, go ahead and believe it I won’t stop you..”
      That shuts them up.

      • sealiagh

        Excellent. I am committing that one to memory for future use!

        • Vipsanius

          The key word is ‘expedient’.

          • kyle dudewell

            yeah we get it lol,u idiot

          • kyle dudewell

            “expedient dot com”

        • kyle dudewell

          you do that sparky

      • kyle dudewell

        your one big word “expedient”lol, shuts people up because theyre busy laughing their asses off at your dumbass.

    • wdhammer

      this sounds like Bush you described to a tee

    • Donald Schuster

      I was told by an Arab friend the same story before Obama was elected the first time.

    • kyle dudewell

      that still makes him 1,00 times smarter than Bush you tallywacker!

      • AirForceMomJo

        What are you like 5 years old with all your name calling? Your parents really need to take you computer away from you.

    • flamestar

      The Saudis own News Corp and with it fox news. The Saudis attacked America in 9/11, Osama bin Laden’s parents and Bush were one the board of directors of the Carlyle Group who made billions on the so called war on terror. And Bush rewarded the Saudis for 9/11 by attacking Iraq who didn’t attack us. He never went after Osama but when Obama had him killed every Republican was angry. They all liked him because he hated the United States government as much as they did.

  • feloniousgrammar

    The level of denial that believing that there were fewer U.S. casualties under Bush than Obama is infinity— these people will never believe that Obama did anything better than Bush.

    Poor wittle things. When yous gotta lie like a cheap rug to not think your choice of POTUS was an unmitigated disaster, then it’s time to leave your party.

    • dbtheonly

      fg,

      How do they even get to that point? I mean how can you get the math to work, even with the RW colored glasses?

      • Buzz Killington

        Yeah, I’d be interested to hear how they could come up with that. I can’t imagine.

        • KarenJ

          Like feloniousgrammar’s Politico story, it’s obvious the RWNJs just make stuff up.

          It’s a wonder to me such narrow-minded zealots have the imagination to create such outlandish fantasies, but I suppose that’s how they get through each oppressed fearful day.

  • blair houghton

    They’re probably making the lazy shift from a claim qualified with “in Afghanistan” to an unqualified claim. Of course, it just makes the same thing happen to them that happened to America when Bush made the lazy shift from a war “in Afghanistan” to war everywhere…

  • Vipsanius

    Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.