13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News

UPDATE: The Grossly Lopsided Republican Responses to 9/11 and Benghazi

UPDATE 2: Popular Conservative Website Tries and Fails to Debunk Our ’13 Benghazis’ Article

The Republican inquisition over the attacks against Americans in Benghazi has never really gone away, but it appears as though in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing and the House Oversight Committee’s Benghazi hearings this week there’s renewed psycho-histrionics over Benghazi.

Lindsey Graham and Fox News Channel in particular are each crapping their cages over new allegations from an alleged whistleblower, while they continue to deal in previously debunked falsehoods about the sequence of events during and following the attacks. Fox News is predictably helming the biggest raft of hooey on the situation — turning its attention to Hillary Clinton in an abundantly obvious early move to stymie her presidential run before it even begins.

So I thought I’d revisit some territory I covered back in October as a bit of a refresher — especially since it appears as if no one, including and especially the traditional press, intends to ask any of these obnoxious, opportunistic liars about why they’re so obsessed by this one attack yet they entirely ignored the dozen-plus consulate/embassy attacks that occurred when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were allegedly “keeping us safe.”

The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they’re being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

A few observations about this timeline. My initial list was quoted from an article on the Daily Kos which actually contained several errors and only 11 attacks (the above timeline contains all 13 attacks). Also, my list above doesn’t include the numerous and fatal attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad during the Iraq war — a war that was vocally supported by Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Fox News Channel.

Speaking of Graham, I ran a search on each attack along with the name “Lindsey Graham” in the hopes of discovering that Graham had perhaps commented about the attacks or raised some questions about why the administration didn’t prevent the attacks or respond accordingly to prevent additional embassy attacks. No results. Of course. Now, this could mean the search wasn’t exhaustive enough. But one thing’s for sure: neither Graham nor any of his cohorts launched a crusade against the Bush administration and the State Department in any of those cases — no one did, including the congressional Democrats, by the way.

This leads us to the ultimate point here. Not only have numerous sources previously debunked the Benghazi information being peddled by the Republicans and Fox News (for example, contrary to what the Republicans are saying, yes, reinforcements did in fact arrive before the attack on the CIA compound), but none of these people raised a single word of protest when, for example, American embassies in Yemen and Pakistan were attacked numerous times. Why didn’t the Bush administration do something to secure the compounds after the first attacks? Why didn’t he provide additional security?

Where was your inquest after the Karachi attacks, Mr. Graham? Where were you after the Sana’a attacks, Mr. Hannity? What about all of the embassy attacks in Iraq that I didn’t even list here, Mr. McCain? Do you realize how many people died in attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates when Bush was supposedly keeping us safe, Mr. Ailes? Just once I’d like to hear David Gregory or George Stephanopoulos or Wolf Blitzer ask a Republican member of Congress about the above timeline and why they said nothing at the time of each attack. Just once.

Nearly every accusation being issued about Benghazi could’ve been raised about the Bush era attacks, and yet these self-proclaimed truth-seekers refused to, in their words, undermine the commander-in-chief while troops were in harm’s way (a line they repeated over and over again during those years).

So we’re only left to conclude the obvious. The investigations and accusations and conspiracy theories are entirely motivated by politics and a strategy to escalate this to an impeachment trial. In doing so, the Republicans have the opportunity not only to crush the president’s second term, but also to sabotage the potential for a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Even if they never arrive at that goal, they have in their possession a cudgel formed of horseshit — a means of flogging the current administration with the singularly effective Republican marketing/noise machine, including the conservative entertainment complex. Very seldom does this machine fail to revise history and distort the truth. Ultimately, they don’t even need a full-blown impeachment proceeding when they have a population of way too many truthers and automatons who take all of these lies at face value — not to mention dubiously sourced chunks of “truth” proffered by radio and cable news conspiracy theorists who, if nothing else, are masters at telling angry conservatives precisely what they want to hear: that the probably-Muslim president is weak on terrorism. And so they’ll keep repeating “Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate, Benghazi-Gate!” without any regard for history or reality. Like always.

 

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    You !diots realize that there is a BIG difference between ONE American (not 60) getting killed (under Bush) OUTSIDE the Embassy (David Foy, Karachi) compared to FOUR Americans (including the 1st Ambassador in over 35yrs) being left to die during a SEVEN HOUR TERRORIST ATTACK with NO help being sent?

    Now if you want to compare body counts of locals in Embassy attacks we can talk about the 220+ that died in one day in Tanzania & Kenya under the Presidency of Monica’s Lolli-Pop.

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    Kinda hard to compare car bomb attacks that are over start to finish in a short time. with little or know notice.

    To, a attack with days ahead notice, and that lasted days.

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    Hey Cesca? How about sticking to ATTACKS BY CAMEL F’NG MUZZIES ON AMERICAN SOIL?

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    But wait, are you saying in all of these examples the people on scene were refused help?

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    Good day.Compliments of the season to you all out there.. I am so full with joy as i write this post right now.. i really have had an encounter with a real spell caster who is so true with is word and he does what he says he will do. He is the realest of all spell casters out there.. so genuine and true. I want to thank High priest ozigididon for all he had done for me within the short time i met him.. he has really made my end of year a memorable one and has made me know that there is still hope. Thank you once again for bring back my lost love and making my life sweet and better.. I am so happy for the divine turn around he brought to my life. friends out there.. search no further for fake and scam spell caster, the real one is [email protected] and his name is High priest ozigididon, Contact him today and share your problems with him and i am so optimistic there will be a solution to that problem when been brought to High priest ozigididon. [email protected]

  • Andrea Jean

    i want to thank Dr Zaba for bringing back my ex husband, we broke up for more than 4 month and he told me that he never want to see me in his life again. i love him so much to the extend that i could not do any thing again, i was confused and depress due to the love i had for him.i did everything i could do to have him come back to me but all went in vain. so i decided to contact a spell caster, i did not believe in spell casting i just want to try it may be it would work out for me. i contacted Dr Zaba for help, he told me that he have to cast a love spell on him, i told him to start it. after 3 days my husband called me and started to apologize for leaving me and also he told me that he still love me. i was very happy and i thank Dr Zaba for helping me get back my ex husband back to my hands. his spell is the the greatest all over the world, it was the love spell he cast on my ex that make him come back to me. all you ladies who want back the ex husband back i want you to contact Dr Zaba at the following email address and get all your problem solve..No problem is too big for him to solve..Contact him direct at ([email protected]) OR ([email protected]) and get your problems solve or you can call his cell pheno on +2348056391583 web sit (http://zabaspellhelp.webs.com/) …

  • Andrea Jean

    i want to thank Dr Zaba for bringing back my ex husband, we broke up for more than 4 month and he told me that he never want to see me in his life again. i love him so much to the extend that i could not do any thing again, i was confused and depress due to the love i had for him.i did everything i could do to have him come back to me but all went in vain. so i decided to contact a spell caster, i did not believe in spell casting i just want to try it may be it would work out for me. i contacted Dr Zaba for help, he told me that he have to cast a love spell on him, i told him to start it. after 3 days my husband called me and started to apologize for leaving me and also he told me that he still love me. i was very happy and i thank Dr Zaba for helping me get back my ex husband back to my hands. his spell is the the greatest all over the world, it was the love spell he cast on my ex that make him come back to me. all you ladies who want back the ex husband back i want you to contact Dr Zaba at the following email address and get all your problem solve..No problem is too big for him to solve..Contact him direct at ([email protected]) OR ([email protected]) and get your problems solve or you can call his cell pheno on +2348056391583 web sit (http://zabaspellhelp.webs.com/)

  • Sally

    So which Ambassadors were assassinated in these attacks, again?

  • Santo Champion

    An amazing testimony on a spell caster who brought my wife back to me.. My name is Edwin Wallace,i live in United Kngdom,and I’m happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with two kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife.so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce.she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she didn’t love me anymore.So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife.So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.{[email protected]}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who didn’t call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there to kindly visit the same website {[email protected]},if”>{[email protected]},if you are in any condition like this,or you have any problem related to “bringing your ex back. So thanks to the Dr PAPAr for bringing back my wife,and brought great joy to my family once again. {[email protected]}, Thanks..

  • jessylynn harvey

    Hello, My name is
    Jessylynn harvey. i want to share to the whole world on how Dr Keke Odin
    the chief Priest of all the spell casters in India Helped me reunite my
    marriage. To cut the long story shot, after 2 years of break up with my
    Husband with no phone calls or email messages. i was so frustrated
    because i have contacted so many other spell casters with no results.
    when i read about Dr Keke Odin (The Chief Priest Of all the spell
    casters in India) on his website at http://greatkekespelltemple01.webs.com
    so i decided to contact him for help. to my greatest surprise, in just
    24 hours later my Husband called me and started begging for forgiveness.
    i am now a happy woman with a beautiful baby girl.all thanks to Dr Keke
    Odin. You can contact Dr keke Odin On contact him directly on his email at [email protected] or contact him through his website at http://greatkekespelltemple01.webs.com. his help is assured and guaranteed once again email him directly at [email protected]

  • Williams Harryson

    I am Julletia Fiyong a citizen of Mexico but now recide in Numbai India,,i have been in a relationship with fiance for seven years, he suddenly started behaving violently and when i tried correcting him, he beat me up and broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before five days, that my ex will return to me before five days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the fourth day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the fake ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, his email is [email protected] you can email him if you need his assistance in your relationship or anything: [email protected] or you can also visit his website:http://ugbakhuanspelltemple.webs.com

  • Williams Harryson

    My Name is TRACY, From United Kingdom. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called ugbakhuan has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex husband to me with his great spell, I was married to this man called Steven we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to give him a child for 2 years he left me and told me he can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email([email protected]) then you won’t believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost husband back, and after a month I miss my month and go for a test and the result stated am pregnant am happy today am a mother of a baby girl, thank you once again the great ugbakhuan for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below:

    1) If you want your ex back.
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    (4) You want women/men to run after you.
    (5) If you want a child.
    (6) You want to be rich.
    (7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be
    yours forever.
    (8) If you need financial assistance.
    (9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money

  • Williams Harryson

    My name is Josephine, and i live in new york city.I have been through hell
    and pain,looking for a good and real spell caster who can help me get my
    soul-mate back.I have been scammed so many times,by some who claimed to be
    real spell casters.until i found the real and great spell caster ”
    [email protected]” who helped me,and solved all my
    problems concerning my boyfriend who left me since eight months ago.and
    after that i also took my friend along,who was also having the same problem
    concerning her husband,who left her since five months ago,and the problem
    was also solved by the same “[email protected]”. Cant you
    see! the real and great spell caster is here,all you need to do now is to
    contact this same address whenever you are in any problem related to spell
    casting.It took me a very long period of time,before i could get this real
    and great spell caster.So right now “[email protected]
    is here,and the best for you to solve your problems…….
    “” [email protected]“.or you can also visit his website:http://ugbakhuanspelltemple.webs.com

  • Williams Harryson

    my names are Jessica Hanny am from Nigeria, my story goes like this i traveled out to USA to look for jobs from there i contaminated HIV which was in my body for the past three years, because of that i loose my jobs and my husband run away from me and even my children run away from me. i looked for a solution out but no one can help me, i went to some different churches herbalist but no solution came out, until i met a friend who directed me to a doctor called dr ugbakhuan so i message him an all him he told m the steps to follow then i respected him and follow the procedures so now as am telling you now i am being healed from HIV sickness the dr is specialized in all types of sickness so if you are heartbreak on and you don’t have hope in life anymore so it is now your opportunity for you to also email him at [email protected] or contact him through his email address http://ugbakhuanspelltemple.webs.com

  • Williams Harryson

    I AM BELA i want to give thanks and i will always give thanks to DR.ugbakhuan who brought back my love that has left me for 6years within 48hours, i have said about this last week but i promised to always tell people about this every week end so that those that did not read about it last week will read about it this week, i have been looking for how to get this boy back to my life because i love this boy with the whole of my heart, i could not replace him with any body,one day i was watching my television when i saw a lady giving thanks to DR.ugbakhuan and telling the world how he helped her i was so shocked i could not believe it because i never taught that there are powers that can bring back lost love, then that was how i decided to contact him too because i do really need my love back,when i contacted him i told him everything and he told me not to worry that my love will surely be back to my arms within 48hours at first i could not believe because i was thinking how could somebody that has gone for 6years come back within 48 hours,so then i decided to watch and see,unbelievable within the next 48hours i got a call from unknown number so i decided to pick the call the next thing i could hear was my loves voice he was pleading and begging me on the phone that i should forgive him that i should forget all that have happened that he did not know what came over him,he promised not to leave for any reason, that he was really sorry for what he did,i was so surprised because i never believed that this could happen,so that was how i accepted his apology and the next morning he came to my house and still pleading for me to forgive him i told him that everything is okay that i have forgiven him, that was how we started again and now we are married, i promised to say this testimony in radio station, commenting this testimony is still okay but before this month runs out i promise to say this in radio station and i will,sir thank you very much.World please am begging you people to try and thank this man for me,or if you need his help here is his email address:[email protected]

  • Williams Harryson

    Hello To The World At Large, I am Miss sonia.I will start by saying to all that have experience heart break and also can’t do without their lover should please stop here and read up my story.So that you will know how to go get your ex back from this spell caster.AND AGAIN I WILL WANT TO ALSO TELL YOU ALL THAT THIS SPELL CASTER I WANT TO TELL THE WHOLE WORLD ABOUT IS HARMLESS AND DO NOT HAVE ANY SIDE EFFECT, BUT TO RESTORE AND GIVE YOU BACK WHAT YOU DESERVE, BECAUSE WHEN I MEANT WITH THIS SPELL CASTER THAT WAS INTRODUCED TO ME BY THE WIFE OF MY BOSS IN MY WORKING PLACE, HE MADE IT CLEAR TO ME THAT THERE IS NO PROBLEM THE SPELL CASTER CANNOT SOLVE. Last year December My lover was cheating on me and was not also giving me the attention that a man should give to a woman,And really that was troubling my mind and tearing my heart apart to the extent that i was not concentrating in the office the way i use to before the break up by my HUSBAND.And before that incident,I always see how my boss so much love his wife.I began to think if was not doing the right thing to my husband that will make him love me forever,So i was confuse and i really gathered my courage and went to my boss wife office to ask her the secret that made her husband love her so dearly,In the first place she refused in telling me,She asked me why i am asking her such a question,That if is not normal for every man to love his wife.I told her the reason that made me ask her the question,That my husband have started cheating on me lately,When i knelt down before her,for her to see my seriousness in this issue,She opened up to me by telling me that i should not tell anybody about what she want to tell me,The wife to my boss started to say to me that she used a very powerful spell on his husband to love her,And the spell that she used is harmless, But the spell is just to make him love her but also never to look at any other woman except her.I QUICKLY ASK HER HOW DID SHE GET TO KNOW THIS GREAT,POWERFUL,DURABLE AND PERFECT SPELL CASTER,she said that a friend of her’s also introduce her to him. Then i also ask her how can i meet with this spell caster.SHE SAID EVERYTHING TO ME,THAT THE NAME OF THIS SPELL CASTER IS DR UGBAKHUAN ORACLE TEMPLE.My next question to her was how can i get this wonderful spell caster,She said she is going to give me the email address of the spell caster for me to contact him for my problem,Really she gave to me this spell caster email address and i contacted him and explained all to him,and he told me what to do to bring my husband back in two days.Truly as he said, In the next two days My HUSBAND that hated me so much came to the house begging for forgiveness and i was so glad that i have finally gotten my heart desire.I was so grateful to this spell caster for what he has done for me. So i made a promise to him that i will continue to tell the world about his wonderful work towards me and also to others that came to you before and also the people that will also get to you from my story that i narrated online now..I will want to say to the entire world that you should not cry over noting again, That there is a great man that has been helping people to restore their Joy and smile in their faces!! The direct email to get this man is :[email protected] is what i want to tell you all out there that all hope is not lost okay.Thanks Regards, Miss sonia.

  • Jim Kerr

    Let’s look at how the real Benghazi is different from the 13 alleged Benghazis:

    No requests for help were made.
    No cover up that the attack was a result of an anti Muslim YOUTUBE video.
    No investigations were necessary as this was a war zone.
    The Secretary of State was not made to testify as a result of any of these normal attacks during war.
    The Secretary of State did not step down as a result of any of theses consulate attacks.

    Therefore the comparison of 13 other consulate attacks only has one thing in common with Benghazi. Attacks on US consulates. The indictment is incompetence. The articles spin via comparison is an epic failure.

  • admasellia

    My name is ADMAS ELLIA and i want to testify of the good work done by a
    faithful man DR OFURE a spell caster in my life i never thought there is
    such thing as spiritual intercession. my problem started 5 months back
    when the father of my kids started putting up some strange behaviour, i
    never knew he was having an affair outside our matrimonial home. it dawn
    on me on that faithful day 4th of April 20st 2:23pm when he came to the
    house to pick his things, that was when i knew that situation has
    gotten out of hand and he then told me he want to quit the marriage
    which i have built for over 6 years, i was confused and dumbfounded i
    called on family’s and friends but to no avail. two months after i
    started having problem with my kids welfare, rent-age and all of it, i
    really went through hair. until a day i was browsing on the internet and
    i happen to meet DR OFRUE, i never believed on this but i needed my man
    back so i gave the spell caster my problem at first i never trusted him
    so i was just doing it but you know a problem shared is half solved
    after 2das my husband called me Telling me that he his coming back home
    and that was all. now we are living happily as husband and wife, i still
    can believe it just too real to be real it highly unbelievable on this
    great joy for those of you that are going through heart broke or any
    kind of problem i must tell you this great man has the power to solve
    any problem hear is the great man email:[email protected] or you call +2348149158514 ,,,

  • admasellia

    My name is ADMAS ELLIA and i want to testify of the good work done by a
    faithful man DR OFURE a spell caster in my life i never thought there is
    such thing as spiritual intercession. my problem started 5 months back
    when the father of my kids started putting up some strange behaviour, i
    never knew he was having an affair outside our matrimonial home. it dawn
    on me on that faithful day 4th of April 20st 2:23pm when he came to the
    house to pick his things, that was when i knew that situation has
    gotten out of hand and he then told me he want to quit the marriage
    which i have built for over 6 years, i was confused and dumbfounded i
    called on family’s and friends but to no avail. two months after i
    started having problem with my kids welfare, rent-age and all of it, i
    really went through hair. until a day i was browsing on the internet and
    i happen to meet DR OFRUE, i never believed on this but i needed my man
    back so i gave the spell caster my problem at first i never trusted him
    so i was just doing it but you know a problem shared is half solved
    after 2das my husband called me Telling me that he his coming back home
    and that was all. now we are living happily as husband and wife, i still
    can believe it just too real to be real it highly unbelievable on this
    great joy for those of you that are going through heart broke or any
    kind of problem i must tell you this great man has the power to solve
    any problem hear is the great man email:[email protected] or you call +2348149158514

  • admasellia

    My name is ADMAS ELLIA and i want to testify of the good work done by a
    faithful man DR OFURE a spell caster in my life i never thought there is
    such thing as spiritual intercession. my problem started 5 months back
    when the father of my kids started putting up some strange behaviour, i
    never knew he was having an affair outside our matrimonial home. it dawn
    on me on that faithful day 4th of April 20st 2:23pm when he came to the
    house to pick his things, that was when i knew that situation has
    gotten out of hand and he then told me he want to quit the marriage
    which i have built for over 6 years, i was confused and dumbfounded i
    called on family’s and friends but to no avail. two months after i
    started having problem with my kids welfare, rent-age and all of it, i
    really went through hair. until a day i was browsing on the internet and
    i happen to meet DR OFRUE, i never believed on this but i needed my man
    back so i gave the spell caster my problem at first i never trusted him
    so i was just doing it but you know a problem shared is half solved
    after 2das my husband called me Telling me that he his coming back home
    and that was all. now we are living happily as husband and wife, i still
    can believe it just too real to be real it highly unbelievable on this
    great joy for those of you that are going through heart broke or any
    kind of problem i must tell you this great man has the power to solve
    any problem hear is the great man email:[email protected] or you call +2348149158514,.,

  • Bryce Hipp

    It isn’t about the fact that the Bengazi attack happened man. Yea you’re right. A butt load of other attacks happened in the past. Its how Bengazi was handled. The fact that those that were there to protect the Embassy were held back from responding for over 45 minutes. Embassy’s in hostile territory are likely to be attacked unfortunately. But if you have people on the ground within 5 minutes of the embassy who’s sole purpose is to respond and protect those inside, they should never be held back and not allowed to respond in a timely fashion which could save lives and stop the attack. THATS the problem.

  • http://newsninja2012.com/radiolive/ CFJ

    Of course you morons can’t comprehend the difference between a suicide attack OUTSIDE our Embassy to a 7 hour sustained attack with no help sent.

    But what do you expect. You guys are so drunk on the Kool-Aid you still support a President that 52% of Americans call a “Failure”

    13 Benghazis? What a joke. ALL loss of life is tragic but there was ONE American Diplomat killed OUTSIDE the Embassy by SUICIDE attack.

    If you want to compare body-counts including local civilians, Monica’s Lollipop, Bill Clinton lost 220+ in one day at our Embassies.

    You guys are pathetic.

  • cenk

    Jus a quick not for the author: none of these attacks had a stand down order and none of these attacks lasted long enough for our military to intervene. Remember that Libia is a skip and hop from Sicily…American bases….airplanes, those things that fly and carry paratroopers?

  • Ronaldg36

    The difference is President never lied about the above incidents, never tried to cover up the facts, nor blamed these on anything but terrorists. The Obama administration has lied, deleted emails, shredded documents, and never took any responsibility for the failure to act.

  • http://thebarton.org Michael Barton

    The difference is we lost an ambassador… Get that? Under Bush, we were attacked, but since Bush was a leader, we didn’t hear about it as a failure (because it wasn’t). Obama failed, people died, there was a cover up, and we’re trying to find out the truth!

    We’re trying to investigate Benghazi but the Obama administration isn’t cooperating. Google how long investigations of this magnitude take, and then sit back and wait. You’ll seen Obama in handcuffs before too long.

    • Jacob Eagleshield

      Fact had Bengazi happened under Bush,Republicans and the Facist propaganda machine at Vulture News would have NOTHING to say.It is about Obama. GOP means Get Obama Party,and they do not give a damn how much damage they do to accomplish that.

      • http://thebarton.org Michael Barton

        If it happened under Bush, he would have done something about it, and the republicans would have respected him for it. Obama and whomever has been covering up Benghazi this entire time. We’re just trying to figure out the truth, but it’s hard to get to the truth when people just want to protect Obama because they think he’s a gift from God. Spoiler alert, Obama is a failure to America. He makes Carter look like Reagan. Wake up and get off the Obama gang bang train and use your brain.

      • http://newsninja2012.com/radiolive/ CFJ

        And the Democrats had the House and Senate for the last 2 years… if there WAS 13 Benghazis don’t you think scum Reid and scum Pelosi would have held hearings?

        FACT IS… there was NO 7 HOUR SUSTAINED ATTACK on ANY of our Embassies.

        What a useful idiot. SMH

  • Lisa

    Twice the administration has been found innocent of wrongdoing, and it’s been proven to the investigative panel that no stand down order was ever issued. The republicans simply still can’t stand that the black guy won the election, TWICE!

  • Merle Burbaugh Jr

    Sad this is such a pile of BS. Not one of these was being used as a front to supply arms to the terrorists, but Benghazi was. All of these were also PROPERLY defended, Benghazi was NOT. None of these had their defense forces told to stand down but Benghazi was. Not even a good try to spin more lies to coverup the lies already told.

  • Dan Spruiell

    You are so blinded by your unbelievable hate toward Fox News and anyone who might know a republican that you give FALSE information. I thought you might have some insight to what is really going on…. I was badly mistaken. You are just another LIAR from the left.

  • David Williamson

    This writer has a short selective memory. There is one major difference in the embassy attacks during the Bush Administration’s along with Clinton’s. Both Clinton and Bush were upfront with the telling of the attacks. The Obama administration knew that this was a planned attack, yet he felt it was important to lie about it and said it was because of a video. The lies seem to be a common thread for this President. That for me is reason enough to get to the bottom of what happened, why it happened as it did and why this President of THE UNITED STATES decided to lie about the killing of these AMERICAN CITIZENS.

  • anthony williams

    What a weak attempt.Problem with this is that Bush responded wtih clarity, not lies. We didnt cover it up, or blame it on a video.

    • Jacob Eagleshield

      The liar here is Rush Limbaugh(no surprise,he would not know the truth if it bit him) and Sean Hannity and the Republican hate machine.

  • alaanile

    The point is they were screaming for help and backup that was less than an hour away. They forces that were ready were told to stand down and let the men die. The British had special forces minutes away that offered help and it was refused by our government.

    The point is that our government could have saved these men and they were left to die a horrible death at the hand of a brutal enemy. In all of the other cases our forces were allowed to move in or security was beefed up as a result. Our forces also moved in after the fact in these cases to demonstrate an overwhelming presence of force.

    The point is that our government could have saved these men and they were left to die a horrible death at the hand of a brutal enemy.

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    • Jacob Eagleshield

      Months before Bengazi the State department asked for more funding for security John Boehner said no way.

  • alaanile

    The point is they were screaming for help and backup that was less than an hour away. They forces that were ready were told to stand down and let the men die. The British had special forces minutes away that offered help and it was refused by our government.

    The point is that our government could have saved these men and they were left to die a horrible death at the hand of a brutal enemy. In all of the other cases our forces were allowed to move in or security was beefed up as a result. Our forces also moved in after the fact in these cases to demonstrate an overwhelming presence of force.

    The point is that our government could have saved these men and they were left to die a horrible death at the hand of a brutal enemy.

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  • Mike Arienti

    January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

    The Kolkata incident was a spontaneous attack on an American Cultural Center not a US consulate! It was run and operated by India and did not involve American citizen deaths.

    June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

    A truck with a fertilizer bomb driven by a suicide bomber was detonated outside the United States Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis.

    October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

    No fatalities. No attempt to blame a video. Nice try but not good enough.

    February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

    It was actually Karachi, not Islamabad. On February 28, 2003, gunmen killed two police officers and wounded five other officers and a civilian in front of the consulate. The attack was conducted from motorcycles, and was deliberately aimed at the paramilitary rangers who have taken over guard duties at the consulate from the Pakistani police.

    May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

    As early as February 2003, the US State Department issued travel warnings that Westerners could be targeted by terrorists. The warnings followed an explosion at a private residence where weapons, explosives, cash, and false documents were subsequently discovered. In early May 2003, the US State Department warned that terrorists were in the final stages of planning terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi government also warned of this, and issued an alert for 19 men believed to be members of AL-Qaeda planning attacks.

    President Bush was informed of the attacks while on a national trip, and called them “ruthless murder.” Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah condemned the attacks as the work of “monsters” and vowed to destroy the terrorist group that ordered them. After the attacks, Saudi Arabia began a harsh crackdown on the insurgency, arresting more than 600 terrorist suspects and seizing bomb-making materials, bomb belts, and thousands of weapons.

    On 7 June 2003, an official Saudi statement identified twelve men as the perpetrators of this attack. According to that statement, the identification was based on DNA found at the scene. The names were Al-Qaeda member Khaled Muhammad bin Al-Arawi Al-Juhani , Muhammed Othman Abdullah Al-Walidi Al-Shehri, Hani Saeed Ahmad Al Abdul-Karim Al-Ghamdi, Jubran Ali Ahmad Hakami Khabrani, Khaled bin Ibrahim Mahmoud, Mehmas bin Muhammed Mehmas Al-Hawashleh Al-Dosari, Muhammed bin Shadhaf Ali Al-Mahzoum Al-Shehri, Hazem Muhammed Saeed Kashmiri, Majed Abdullah Sa’ad bin Okail, Bandar bin Abdul-Rahman Menawer Al-Rahimi Al-Mutairi, Abdul-Karim Muhammed Jubran Yazji, and Abdullah Farres bin Jufain Al-Rahimi Al-Mutairi.

    Abdul Rahman Jabarah was killed in a gunfight with Saudi security forces, believed to have been involved in the attack, as was Zubayr Al-Rimi.

    Much different response than that of Benghazi.

    July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

    Two Uzbek security guards were killed in both bombings. NO AMERICAN DEATHS.

    December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

    Gunmen fought their way into the complex, reportedly taking 18 staff and visa applicants hostage for a short time before Saudi security forces stormed the building, killing three attackers and arresting two others.

    Witnesses reported hearing two explosions, which breached the heavily-guarded compound’s walls as the attack began shortly before midday local time (0900 GMT).

    The blasts caused fire to break out, and clouds of thick black smoke could be seen above the consulate. Around 200 national guardsmen surrounded the building, and witnesses reported heavy exchanges of gunfire.

    “We have five confirmed dead among our locally engaged staff and one of them is a contract [security] guard,” the US embassy spokeswoman Carol Kalin said.

    She said no Americans had been killed and a “handful of other employees” had been taken to hospital. Security sources told Reuters the dead were Arabs and Asians.

    March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.

    On March 2, 2006, a suicide car bomb killed four people and injured thirty outside the Marriot Hotel in Karachi, which is about 20 yards from the consulate. Among the dead was David Foy, an American diplomat and three Pakistanis. It appears that Foy was the direct target of the bomber, who detonated his vehicle in the car park behind the consulate as Foy arrived. The bomb was reported to be the most powerful attack of its kind in Karachi, and it left a two meter crater in the car park and destroyed at least ten nearby cars.

    Not the US Consulate, but in a car park behind the consulate, with a SPECIFIC target. This is an assassination.

    September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

    What BULLSHIT. 3 of the 4 killed WERE the attackers. Nice spin on the attack by the pussy liberals. Three gunmen and a Syrian security guard were killed in a foiled attack on the US embassy. Gunmen tossed grenades over the perimeter walls before opening fire with automatic weapons. A car bomb was detonated outside the embassy, although a truck bomb filled with pipe bombs and gas cylinders failed to explode.Thirteen people were wounded, including two security guards and a Chinese diplomat.

    January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

    No fatalities. Non issue.

    March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

    More BULLSHIT. The March 18, 2008 attack in Yemen has been disputed by Yemini Ambassador as being “a private dispute and that the school that was hit by a mortar shell was indeed the target and not the US Embassy next door. The mortar injured 13 students at the school 3 of them critically but no casualties were reported in the incident.

    July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

    Really? Six killed, 3 of them ATTACKERS! The 2008 United States consulate in Istanbul attack was a result of gunfire on the consulate resulting in six casualties; of which three were the three gunmen, and three Turkish National Police officers. The attack occurred on July 9, 2008 in the morning hours, at a time when the embassy is at full function and an attack is most likely to cause more casualties. It is the responsibility of the host state to take care of security as per Article 30 of the Vienna Convention.

    September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen.Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

    Except, that there is some dispute about the first attack, as described above. And let’s set the record straight on the casualties. 16 dead. ONE American, Susan el-Baneh (Yemeni-American), cousin to Jabar A Elbaneh, on the FBI Terrorist most wanted list. 6 dead were attackers. 6 dead Yemeni Security force. 6 bystanders. NO AMERICAN EMBASSY PERSONNEL KILLED.

    Now, how about the US response: Foreign Minister Abou Bakr al-Qurbi said: “The attack on the U.S. Embassy was retaliation by al-Qaeda for the measures taken by the government to fight the terrorists.” US Department of State spokesman Sean McCormack said that “the multi-phased attack bore all the hallmarks of al-Qaeda.”

    Again, MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE BENGHAZI RESPONSE.

    Warnings issued. Consulate and Embassy security doing their jobs. No attempt to cover up or downplay any terrorists intentions. No denial of support. Looks like they did things right in the Bush years. Nice try liberals.

    http://www.therightplanet.com/2014/05/13-benghazis-that-occurred-on-bushs-watch-debunked/

  • Charles Martin

    More liberal dodge, to a group that wants to believe their leader is righteous, refuse to believe their chosen one is so inept.
    Its not about the attack, its not about screwing your intern in the oval office, its not about you can keep your health plan, PERIOD, its about lying.
    If I lied during a job interview, I would be fired after it came to light.
    Bur he lies about Libya, says you can keep your health care, period, when he KNEW that was a lie. Uses the IRS to investigate enemies and says there is no corruption, none, when e mails go missing from a crashed hard drive. Most Obama supporters might not know that is impossible. And you so want to believe anything he says that you wont take a moment to look up the facts , just want to believe that it is all made up hype.

    • Jacob Eagleshield

      Fact is,Iraq was nothing but a personal vendetta by Bush that cost 5,000 American lives to satisfy. The most incompetent and unintelligent President since James Buchanan

      • Charles Martin

        I believe Bush had a personal grudge against Saddam. Saddam was a pretty evil character and easy to hate. But its juvenile to believe that is Bush’s reason for Iraq invasion. Fukayamas End of History points out clearly that democracy is the answer to extremism in the entire world and the answer to war. Theocracies, dictatorships, authoritarian regimes, do not allow people their rights and persecute them for wanting freedom. And the totalitarian governments use religion or security as an excuse to suppress their people. The Bush doctrine was to support democracies.
        Invading Iraq is being shown to have been the right thing to do. It was done imperfectly, as every war is.
        I believe that the thing that is most foul now is how Obama purposefully threw away Iraq, and now tens of thousands of people are being killed…because he wanted to make a political point that Bush was wrong. He sacrificed and continues to sacrifice people today, to try to make that lame and incorrect point. The world sees it. They don’t trust him to follow through. He is gutless. Bush was right about Iraq and had the strength to lead our country through a difficult war. He was right and he won. Obama chooses to lose and is harming our countries security.

      • Yah Saves

        “The most incompetent and unintelligent President since James Buchanan”

        ……..until Obama comes along. Makes Georgy look brilliant by comparison. Obama is clearly the dumbest in history. And the most corrupt. And the most lawless. And…

        But at least the vice president is a dolt.
        This administration has successfully refuted Darwin’s theory.

  • G Arthur Graham

    The point, which all of the cheerleaders studiously ignore, is that Bush never lied about the causes and nature of the attacks like Obama did about Benghazi.

    • Jacob Eagleshield

      No he lied about why he murdered our children in Iraq.

  • i got

    So, in other words, no “direct” attacks on any consulate/embassy resulting in the deaths of American diplomats or American gov’t employees.

    Tell me again how any of those mentioned in your hack article remotely resemble Benghazi.

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    The point is that our government could have saved these men and they were left to die a horrible death at the hand of a brutal enemy. In all of the other cases our forces were allowed to move in or security was beefed up as a result. Our forces also moved in after the fact in these cases to demonstrate an overwhelming presence of force.

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  • Reggie Kenner

    All the respondents miss the point. After every attack, the president said “We must make sure this never happens again….and it happens over and over. Fact is it’s impossible to stop these kinds of attacks. How many of you jr. genius’ or genii are veterans?

  • Cris Ortiz

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  • Patrick Johnson

    But in none of those did the President or Secretary of State claim it was the result of a protest turned violent. All of them were recognized as terrorist actions.

  • Al Meullier

    No one will say it so, I will. Ambassador Stevens had a lot of culpability in what led to his demise. There is a tradition in our country that we don’t fault the dead for their action or inaction but he created the mess through his declining assistance from the DoD twice and instead choosing to have the poorly-manned DoS handle security for the consulate in Benghazi. Also, it was the Republican-controlled Congress that declined additional funding for security upgrades in the year previous to the attack, those upgrades included physical infrastructure upgrades and additional manned security. All because the government wanted to cut corners. You get what you pay for, this was a catastrophe created by non-politicians sitting in politician seats, i.e. the Tea Party and Libertarians. Read the bipartisan report on the Benghazi attack and you will understand. Or don’t read it and continue to be dumbed down by the Koch brothers controlled media and Fox News. I don’t really care what you choose to do because the truth is the truth no matter how much you try to say it isn’t.

    • i got

      WRONG….. try again.

      #1 Budget cuts had no impact, whatsoever, on the Benghazi consulate. And that’s per the testimony in the hearings (do your homework libtard)

      #2 Infrastructure and perimeter structure security measures were not upgraded at that facility, with the exception of a small wall, even though the equipment and resources were available.

      Thanks to this administrations oversight and utter ignorance they were not put in place.

      #3 To say fox news, libertarians, tea party etc…. are uninformed on the issue is more proof that the typical liberal wouldn’t know their arse from a hole in ground.

      Everything I mentioned was testified on “in the hearings”… not something that was read or heard on one of your libtard propaganda media sites.

      • Al Meullier

        On #1, you are not exactly correct unless you read the facts in context. It is easy to pick and chooses sound bites to support your political views but the truth according to the Washington Post is:

        “One huge problem was that the facility was deemed temporary — as we have noted, most of the officials there were working for the CIA, not State — and thus it could not be funded with standard overseas building funds.
        (Despite persistent news media reports, this was not a “consulate”—far from it.) After the fact, the ARB report recommended allowing for greater flexibility in use of such funds and requiring minimum security standards for such temporary facilities.”

        “(A side note: Given that the U.S. effort in Benghazi was basically a CIA operation, State Department funding issues may be largely irrelevant. Unfortunately, we don’t have access to the classified version of the ARB report. But it is worth remembering that the CIA was responsible for security at the “annex”—where most of the Americans in Benghazi were housed.)

        “A key finding in the ARB report was: “Security in Benghazi was not
        recognized and implemented as a ‘shared responsibility’ by the bureaus in Washington charged with supporting the post, resulting in stove-piped discussions and decisions on policy and security. That said, Embassy Tripoli did not demonstrate strong and sustained advocacy with Washington for increased security for Special Mission Benghazi.”

        “During hearings into the attack last fall and this month, State Department officials were specifically asked if a lack of financial resources played a role in the attack. The answer was no.”

        “State Department officials repeatedly told Congress that a lack of funds was not an issue. Instead, security was hampered because of bureaucratic issues and management failures. In other words, given the internal failures, no amount of money for the State Department likely would have made a difference in this tragedy.”

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/barbara-boxers-claim-that-gop-budgets-hampered-benghazi-security/2013/05/15/d1e295cc-bdb0-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_blog.html

        So you are kind of right but that would be like saying that you almost hit the target.

        On #2, this was not only the fault of the administration but also the fault of the House and Senate who were responsible for appropriating funds toward those requirements. In essence, you again, are taking sound bites to support your political view and hatred for the POTUS. You should read the Accountability Review Board report, the hearings, as usual, were a circus, I prefer reading a report of investigation rather than political grandstanding.

        Here is a link to the ARB report for Benghazi:
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGYQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.state.gov%2Fdocuments%2Forganization%2F202446.pdf&ei=cROkU4XBM473oASos4HACg&usg=AFQjCNFmTSACZDZKVkEd7FWkv11GRbmW0A&bvm=bv.69411363,d.cGU

        #3, making the ill-informed assumption that I don’t know what I am talking about and your politically-fueled Breitbart, Faux News, etc do, is your 1st mistake. The second is daring to post your response without considering your source or context. Maybe next time, you should try to look for disconfirming evidence to your claim. That is what I did with yours and I was able to refute it successfully! Checkmate!

        • i got

          LOL !

          At no time in that whole copy and paste did you refute anything I said with anything remotely resembling a “fact”.

          Let me repeat it for you:

          Money was not an issue AND the state dept, along with this administration, had sole oversight on the travel accommodations and security of a US Ambassador.

          Their failure rests squarely on THEIR shoulders.

          And the fact you try to blame Congress for the inept State Depts participation speaks volumes to just how much of a “low info” voter you really are.

          And what wasn’t copy/pasted is nothing more than you back peddling trying to save face from your original posting and all of it’s stupidity.

          Checkmate indeed…

          You really beat me at being stupid.

          • Al Meullier

            You are so blind. I said that you were half right but not exactly. I cited evidence that contradicted your claims and since you are obviously a Republican and not the type to look up a citation (i.e. lazy), I cut and pasted it for you. You are welcome!

            My response was very academic, unlike yours which is the kind of response you would expect from a meathead in a bar. YOU have not supported your claims with citations and FACTS but I have.

            All you are doing is getting upset because your cognitive dissonance will not let you understand what is really going on in the world. Not everything is as black and white as your filters let you believe, there are multiple shades of gray.

            I suggest you go back to school and learn about politics, national security and the inner workings of the U.S. government. I have the background, education, military and federal government service to understand how diplomacy, the intelligence community and foreign policy works. There is a lot more to the story but you don’t see that because you are one of the sheeple who are easily duped by Fox News, Breitbart, WND, etc.

            You can continue to speculate without evidence or FACTS until you are blue in the face but without those vital pieces to the puzzle, you will continue to make yourself look uneducated, ignorant and beaten by someone who is intellectually superior to you. Your cognitive dissonance is astounding and until you and your ilk understand the simple concept that changing your point of view based on introduction of contradictory evidence isn’t flip-flopping it is called being educated, you will never be able to grow intellectually. Once again, you show your lack of education in all things important. Good day, sir!

  • Keith Wilson

    This article doesn’t even address whether or not any of those killed in the attacks were Americans. The distinction of this investigation is that Americans were killed during this attack.

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  • Michael Nahra

    Actually, the attack you refer to that killed David Foy was a car bomb that what detonated in front of a Marriott Hotel. The attack was directed at Foy but was not at the consulate building. I understand your perspective but you are a bit loose with the facts. If you exclude the attack directed at Foy, the only other attack that killed an ambassador happened when Jimmy Carter was in office. After the bombing in Beirut in 1983, measures were introduced to combat terrorism. Many of those practices fell out of favor and are no longer in use.

  • Ben

    I feel sorry for the families of the victims. While the GOP says their cause is the find those responsible, they are not interested in finding the actual people responsible but rather into making this a excuse to bash Obama. If I was a family member of one of the victims I would be insulted the Republicans are using this as a partisan game to attack Hilary and Obama. Is disgraceful.

  • Jerry S

    The Incredible article at the following link refutes the “13 Benghzis” lie.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/05/138727-viral-meme-13-benghazis-happened-bush-taken-apart-destroyed-eyes/

    • http://www.twitter.com/bobcesca_go Bob Cesca
      • Jerry S

        I read your article thoroughly, and noticed that you ignored 2 major points made in the IJReview article:
        1. None of those attacks took the form of a multiple hour siege, during which help was requested, but the help never came, an attack during which the CIC was MIA and didn’t even appear in the situation room.
        2. Unlike the Embassies under the Bush Admin, our Benghazi consulate did in fact request additional security multiple times, but was turned down, as the State Dept. admitted during the hearings on capital hill. Why??? (And why was no one held accountable?)

        • http://www.twitter.com/bobcesca_go Bob Cesca

          Your second point is untrue.

          • Jerry S

            What is untrue?

            Here’s from the USA today:
            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/11/benghazi-armed-services-committee-report/5399609/

            The State Department had turned down multiple requests for additional security by security officials and Stevens, whose last request came on the day of the attack, according to documents released in the investigation.

            Here’s from the WP:
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-committee-holds-hearing-on-benghazi-attacks/2013/05/08/639da672-b7ea-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html

            Clinton and her senior aides should have paid more attention to deteriorating security in Libya over the months preceding the attacks, along with requests from the post for additional resources, said Eric Nordstrom, who served as the embassy’s security chief until July.

            If for no other reason, Nordstrom said, Clinton was planning to travel to Libya later in the year and had signaled that she wanted the United States to turn its temporary mission in Benghazi into a formal diplomatic post.

            “Certainly, there’s a reasonable expectation that her staff would have briefed her” on a March 28 cable from the embassy in Tripoli asking for additional security personnel and resources, Nordstrom said.


            Here’s from the national Review:
            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/329977/top-revelations-libya-hearing-katrina-trinko

            5. Nordstrom and Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood, a Utah National Guard member who had led a security team in Libya , were both frustrated by the lack of support from the State Department on granting security requests. “Mr. Nordstrom, do you think they were ever going to give you what you wanted?” asked Representative Jim Jordan (R., Ohio). “What do you think would warrant them saying “You know what, these guys know what they’re talking about and we’re going to meet their request?”

            “Thank you for asking that question,” responded Nordstrom. “I actually had that conversation when I came back on leave and for training in February. I was told by the Regional Director for Near Eastern Affairs that there had ‘only been one incident involving an American’ where he was struck by celebratory fire, it was one of Colonel Wood’s employees. The takeaway from that, for me and my staff, it was abundantly clear, we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. And the question that we would ask is, again, ‘How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?’”

            And then there was this exchange:

            Jordan: “Lt. Col Wood and Mr. Nordstrom- were you pulling your hair out? Were you just flabbergasted- ‘What can we do? What can we say? What can we put in writing? What can we say on the phone? What else can we do? Was that your sense and attitude when you got the answers from Washington that you did?”

            Wood: “We were fighting a losing battle, we couldn’t even keep what we had. We were not even allowed to even keep what we had.”

            Nordstrom: “If I could add to that, I told the same Regional Director in a telephone call in Benghazi after he contacted me when I asked for 12 agents, his response to that was ‘You’re asking for the sun, moon, and the stars.’ And my response to him- his name’s Jim- ‘Jim, you know what is the most frustrating about this assignment, it’s not the hardships, it’s not the gunfire, it’s not the threats. It’s dealing, and fighting, against the people, programs, and personnel who are supposed to be supporting me.’ And I added it by saying ‘For me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building.’”

            So, is my second point still untrue?

          • James

            Your waisting your time Jerry.. Bob the Obozo handout recipient has no clue on the true facts of this misguided, ignorant
            Post….

  • brian hott

    Liberalism is destroying this country. The young people are being brain washed so they never get to the real truth.
    Everyone wants to continue to blame Bush. Problem is the things this jackass brings up is why we have been in the middle east for the last 13 yrs. Take note we will go back again because the job isnt done or we will be fighting the human garbage in the united states streets. So liberals be careful what you wish for.

  • Peter Vegas
  • MaryJane Mccarthy James

    When you ask a hater why there was no outrage about the 13 Benghazi’s that happened under Bush.They get a confused look and have no answer. Typical hypocrisy from the unhinged haters.

  • klr56

    And how many of those killed were American??? One embassy personnel (died instantly- couldn’t call for help) and 9 American security personnel. Many of these were one time car bomb explosions. Bush didn’t try to “cover-up” anything.

    • jezebel

      So according to you, non-American life doesn’t count? How Christian of you Republicans! Jesus did say the only commandment that mattered was “to love American like you love yourself”, right?

      This ridiculous talking point aside, by your count, there are 10 Americans that died. A whole 6 more than your #Benghaziiiii phony scandal, yet you cold-heartedly dismiss their lives because it was “Bush”…

      You Tea party Republicans are stupid, crazy & definitely Unamerican.

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  • Rhonda Hunt

    These so called 13 Benghazi’s,you have got to be kidding,these 13 events are no way the same,nor did George Bush try to cover anything up,as they are now,I fully expect the liberals to attempt to compare this nonsense to Benghazi,not buying this forget it.—Jim Hunt

  • http://www.shopinsuperhighway.com Fernando Poniente

    yawn, why are you comparing apples to elephants. you bored me.

  • rcerke79

    The brain dead left doesn’t understand the issue. It’s not that an embassy was attacked and people died. No administration can prevent every attack. It’s about what the administration did before, during and after the attack that is the issue.

  • spinolio

    Bush never diverted attention to a YouTube Video. He realized we are at war with radicals.

  • Brandon Clark

    So what is the point? You’re comparing apples and oranges. The Bush administration never tried to cover them up, call them protests, sit back and say we cant help, or act like it was no big deal.

  • julianenglish

    There seem to be four parts to this debate, as it has evolved in the comments: (1) the accusation that Obama could have and should have taken more precautionary measures in advance; (2) once the attack was under way, obama could have sent forces to help but did not do so; (3) after the attack, the Obama administration intentionally set out to mislead the public to “fit the narrative” for the upcoming election; and, finally (4) the Bush adminisyration either did or did not have up to 13 similar occuranced on his watch that garnered no righteous indignation from the Republicans (or anyone else, for that matter), an accusation that, if true, suggests that the GOP is callously and hypocritically politicizing these four deaths for domestic political gain.

    Id like to focus on number 3, the accusation that the Obama administration intentionally tried to manipulate tge story in service of the upcoming election.

    My question id this: is anyone so naive as to think that spinning the news is SOP for both parties? Every president facing reelection tries to sping the news in such a way that it might help their prospects. Where it becomes problematic is when the manipulation goes beyond the narritive but touches real live people. The two most fsmous examples are Nixon in 1968 and Reagan, 1980.

    Nixon had the message delivered to the North Vietnamese that he would cut a better deal for peace than LBJ, and that the should ignore his peace overtures and wait for nixon’s election. It is entirely possible that the war might have ended years earlier if nixon had not actively, and successfully sabotages his own country’s diplomatic initiatives. This, most historians now agree, was treason.

    Reagan did something similar in 1980. As you may recall, Iraq was still holding hostages from the american embassy. Reagan’s people negotiated a deal to release them, but inly under the condition that they be released after the election. Otherwise, people might attribute their release to Carter and vote for him. This may not rise to the level of treason, but that these peiole spent even an extra day imprisoned by tge Iranians just to score electoral points is appalling.

    In this light, even if the obama team did try to spin things to their advantage, AFTER THE FACT WHEN NOTHING COULD BE CHANGED ANY WAY, it seems remarkable only in yhat it is not remarkable. Its political SOP, for both parties.

  • Brandon

    On the 2nd of March, 2006 a car bomb exploded outside of the consulate in Karachi, Pakistan killing one US diplomat. It was a car bomb, nothing could have been avoided. And finally, on Sept 17th, 2008 a coordinated attack was carried out in Yemen which resulted in the death of one US civilian. There were embassy security forces to protect the people inside, and one person died as a result. Are these two cases unfortunate? Yes, but there is a huge difference between these incidents and Benghazi. (By the way, all of the other “Benghazis” listed in the above article resulted in the deaths of foreigners, not Americans. The ones I listed are the only two cases where Americans were killed). Benghazi was a brutal, unimaginable attack that resulted in the death of four Americans. When they asked for extra security, they were denied. Benghazi is a failure of this administration to protect national security overseas, as they KNEW that Benghazi was a dangerous location. There is a big difference between the “Benghazis” of Bush and the Benghazi of the Obama administration. This article is null and void. Nice try lefties.

    • Bagga

      yet we had hearing after hearing regarding Valerie Plame..HAHAHAHAHA a non -spy….!!! Abu Ghriab??????

      the embassy is in Tripoli!!?? what were Clinton Stevens and the CIA doing out of Stevens House in Benghazi?????????

  • Candy Peterson

    March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again
    Bush did not fly off to Vegas He went to Pakistan!!!
    Bush announced the death of the U.S. foreign service officer during a joint news conference in New Delhi with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

    “I send our country’s deepest condolences to that person’s loved one and family,” Bush said. “We also send the condolences to the people of Pakistan who lost their lives.”

    The State Department identified the diplomat as administrative officer David Foy of Fayetteville, N.C.

    Bush said the bombings would not deter plans for his visit.

    “Terrorists and killers are not going to prevent me from going to Pakistan,” he said, adding the bombing shows the war on terrorism must continue.

    Bush will be in the Pakistan capital Islamabad and is not scheduled to visit Karachi, Ahmad said.

    Shairpao said he was comfortable with security measures in place for the president’s visit, when entire portions of Islamabad will be declared “red zones,” blocking access to all but authorized people.

    CNN Senior Asia Correspondent Mike Chinoy, reporting from Pakistan, said security would be very high on Bush’s agenda when he meets Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf over the weekend.

    In a message transmitted to New Delhi, Musharraf said, “We condemn this outrage in the strongest terms. Our authorities are investigating the incident and those responsible will be brought to justice.

    “This senseless act will not deter our strong resolve to pursue the relentless fight against the evil of terrorism. We all must continue to work together to eliminate this threat.”

    Chinoy said the U.S. Consulate in Karachi had been the target of previous attacks and that the sprawling port city was known to be a center for terrorist groups, including al Qaeda.

    State Department officials said Karachi is one of the most dangerous and unstable U.S. posts anywhere and certainly the worst in Pakistan. Security at the consulate is very tight — diplomats have armed guards wherever they go.

    While a senior U.S. counterterrorism official told CNN it is not clear who is responsible for the attack, a State Department official with extensive knowledge of Karachi said there is a mix of extremist Islamic groups that operate in the city.

    In addition to al Qaeda — which is believed to operate there — many political movements, militants and other unsavory characters operate throughout Pakistan and the disputed region of Kashmir and are unfriendly to the Pakistani government and the United States.

    There are “a lot of people happy to kill Americans, which makes it very difficult to operate,” the official said.

    Following are some examples of attacks on Americans in Karachi:

  • pugmama

    Seems all the liberals do is get mad and get nasty. No real substance.

    • julianenglish

      Ideologes with anger issues on both sides of the aisle get mad and nasty. Plesse note how Bagga insults my intelligence and calls me Bozo below, while I remain cordial throughout.

  • pugmama

    George Bush didn’t lie and try to deceive the country to protect his campaign.

    • julianenglish

      How do you feel sbout Bush lying about WMDs and getting us into a decade long war, 5,000+ Americans dead, and 1-200,000 Iraqi dead?

      • pugmama

        I never believed he lied. Congress voted also to go to war on the information that was obtained from the CIA. He didn’t go over Congress’ head and he kept everything above board. Bush also turned over all the CIA briefings immediately. He had nothing to hide. Obama and his admin. held things back that were subpoenaed and have wasted time and taxpayers money for 18 months when they could have just cooperated. Obama has yet to turn over the CIA briefings. Understandably, the lying and refusing to turn over documents made people think he was trying to hide something. The four Americans who were brutally murdered, their families, and we Americans need to get some answers. And there are still many unanswered questions.

      • Bagga

        H.R.4655

        Public Law: 105-338 (10/31/98)

        SPONSOR: Rep Gilman (introduced 09/29/98)

        (REVISED AS OF 10/05/98 — Passed House, amended)

        Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 – Declares that it should be the policy of the
        United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.

        can you read English????????????????

        PLEAASE MENSA MAN!!! TELL US HOW BUSHED TOLD THESE PEOPLE LIED TO THESE PEOPLE BEFORE HE EVEN DECIDED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

        One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”

        –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

        “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”

        –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

        “Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”

        –Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

        “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
        –Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

        “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”

        Letter to President Clinton, signed by:– Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

        “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”

        -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

        “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
        — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

      • Bagga

        NOW BOZO..any 5th Grader can tell you that the Iraq war started when Husain evaded Kuwaiti in 1991?? why don’t you know that??? public school education????

        • julianenglish

          The American Revolution and the War of 1812 both pitted Americans against the British, yet they were two different wars. Among the many combatants in WWI and WWII, were the US and Germany, fighting one another. Nonetheless, they were two different wars. Likewise, Bush Sr’s liberatiin of Kuwait and Bush Jr’s invasion of Iraq, were, in fact, two different wars.

          Regarding your lengthy review of public pronouncements concerning Iraq, politicians — especially heads of state and their surrogates — have more than one audience. The president has at leadt 5 audiences he must take into account with every word he speaks: foreign foes, foreign allies, his own party loyalists, the opposition party, and the general public. Congressional resolutions, statements of various presidents and their surrogates, such as secretary of state, say many things gir many reasons. The way we can tell that Clinton was just saber rattling , and Bush was not, is this: clinton did not invafe Iraq and Bush jr did. Clinton (and Bush’s own Colin Powell, and even Bush Sr.) were all political realists, well versed in balance of power experience and/or theory. They realized that Iraq served as an important counter weight to Iran. Dispite the harsh words, they knew than taking out Iraq would open the door for much mischief from Iran. Yhe last yhing they really wanted to do was overthrow Sadam and leave a power vacuum. Bush entered the white house dead set on drumming uo war with Iraq, and he did id it. When Powell urged caution, Budh froze him out. The decisiin making process was stacked toward one outcome: war. Dee Robert Jarvis on cuban missile crisis and compare.

          At the end of the day, yes, the preponderance of evidence points toward Bush conciously deceiving both congress and the public.

          I’m sure you will refuse to give any credence to my analysis of this matter. You are obviously very firmly committed to your beliefs. Calling me “mensa man,” “Bozo” and whatever other insults you tossed my way suggests you have, for some reason fetishized this issue. You’ve invested anbinordinate amount of emotional energy in your stance. Your head might explode if you admitted thst you might be wrong. We wouldn’t want that, now would we?

      • Bagga

        so the Kurds were killed by Flatulence?????? is that what Chemical Ali did??..he farted on the Kurds? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAH

  • PeregrinesBoat

    Interesting to note that no one seems to be able to differentiate between an immediate attack such as a bombing or spontaneous shooting, (against which there is little defense), and an escalating attack where our embassy employees held up for over seven hours, calling for help which was available, yet told to stand down. Then lie about it.

  • toongail

    Bush was not giving arms to AlQaeda and then covering it up – he did not say that Al Qaeda was no longer a problem when it was. There was no cover up – and most of those cases seem to be sudden – people in the Benghazi compound could see the attackers coming – and asked for help and were told to stand down by someone – all these things were lied about and covered up and should be investigated. Heck I cannot remember what Scooter Libby allegedly lied about that got him a prison sentence – but he went to jail for trivial lying – this is horrendous.
    Oh yes and our tax dollars are arming radical Islamists all over the Mideast – the area is more of a tinderbox than ever. Disagree with Bush about going into Iraq – but since we were there we should have stayed and made sure radicals did not take over and that the “infidels” in that country were not slaughtered. And maybe we could have served as a deterrent to Iran. Obama’s foreign policy is scary – and has caused thousands more to die.

  • dingdong

    January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

    The Kolkata incident was a spontaneous attack on an American Cultural Center not a US consulate! It was run and operated by India and did not involve American citizen deaths.

    June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

    A truck with a fertilizer bomb driven by a suicide bomber was detonated outside the United States Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis.

    October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

    No fatalities. No attempt to blame a video. Nice try but not good enough.

    http://thenewstalkers.com/forum/topics/13-benghazis-that-occurred-on-bush-s-watch-disputed

    • dingdong

      Yes!

  • Isaiahdolan

    I do not trust the american political system and the fools who always defend one side over the other. As long as politics is an insider’s cash cow and we have PACs and superpacs willing to pervert democracy for special interests we are all losers.

  • Bagga

    this wasn’t an embassy!!!????….. they first asked for more security in JUNE!!! when there was an attack?? BRITAIN LEFT BECAUSE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!! NO EMBASSY EVER!!! has been Attacked AFTER REQUEST FOR MORE SECURITY!!!???? THIS WAS AN ARMED FORCE..not suicide bombers?????? …. what were Hilary the CIA and Stevens DOING IN Benghazi????????? where was the PRESIDENT THAT NIGHT???? who ORDER THE ARMED FORSES TO STAND DOWN!!!…WHO STARTED THE LIE ABOUT THE VIDEO!!?????????????????????????? WHAT ARE THEY COVERING UP???? WHY HASNT ANYONE(accept the maker of the VIDEO) ever been held ACCOUNTABLE????????????? and why did HILARY say “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE”???????????????????

  • flamegonesilver

    Mr. Cesca, how many U.S. Ambassadors were murdered…you talk a lot about attacks and people killed. But you don’t name them…..why?

  • don

    Wow. Excusing Obama actions by saying Bush did it too and Fox and the other side didn’t call Bush on the carpet? Talk about setting up straw men and extra helping of rationalization.

    Actually, I think that the Republican’s response to Benghazi has been as contradictory as has been the Administration’s desire to bury the context of the event with Ambassador Stevens.

    What explains both behaviors is that both are trying to protect the probable fact that American arms were going into, not only Libya, but onto other places such as Syria and the furniture surrounding of the 911 Benghazi event exposes this. My guess is some Republicans sickened by this want to expose it and some who are more “establishment” want to keep it quite because they knew it all the time. It’s policy. The other Democrats fall in line because that’s now what they do.

    Hillary and Obama obviously want to keep it quite. It exposes their techniques of dealing with the world and they also realize even their most strident supporters driving minivans in the suburbs would have problems with their American government policy of moving arms that (at least some) end up in the hands of the “terrorist” we spend so much money and give up so much freedom to be afraid of.

  • Daniel

    Mr. Cesca, you have missed your calling, as you really should have became a history teacher. You seem to have an excellent grasp on the past. But Sir, we are in the year 2014 with a democratic president by the name of Barack Hussein Obama. America needs competent leadership right now to keep all Americans safe and free. And when you give us a history lesson, and worse yet, distort reality with your left-leaning comments, it does a disservice to your chosen craft.

    What is clear is President Obama has his hand on the rudder at present, not George Bush. So please, in the future, if you are trying to convey a idea, be honest with the reader about the reality of the actual current situation. There is already enough confusion out here. Your calling should be about truth, and bringing forth that truth in the context of the current reality. As all Americans need the current, truthful, relevant facts to judge what needs to be done, not a history lesson to explain away more recent mistakes and problems. I am surprised at your take of this issue. Your writing ability suggests you are an intelligent person.
    May I suggest that in the future, instead of a piece that rationalizes bad policy, you write about the present in the context of how and what the current leadership should be doing to ensure the utmost safety and freedom for all Americans. We collectively can raise our voices right now in 2014 to try to guide our President to make the right decision. George Bush is long, long since gone, good or bad, he is totally irrelevant. Additionally, it is also sad to think that your reporting does not differentiate the lack of reporting of an issue, to that of misleading and spreading untruths about a issue. That is a huge difference, maybe that should that been the topic of your piece. That would have been more helpful to the American people.

  • kevin shuler

    Wow! Awesome article. Its amazing how no Republicans are are announcing an investigation into any of these acts of terror.

  • Silures

    None of those 13 attacks that were listed involved dereliction of duty by Bush to protect the American facilities as was the case in Benghazi by Obama and Clinton. In only a single case was an American diplomat killed and he was outside the facility and off of the “US soil” of a US diplomatic post. There was no cover-up by Bush in any of those instances, nor did Bush lie in any fashion to get away with a failure to protect those posts.

    Obama ignored many warnings in the days leading up to the attack then lied about the whole thing to keep secure his image of a master of foreign policy. He was also covering up the fact that his foreign policy was a complete failure: he was depriving the facility in Benghazi of any armed security – there could’ve been Marines (already paid for) there on the grounds but he didn’t want any weapons of any kind to be visible so they were not allowed to be there. Even the Brits where were on the post weren’t allowed to keep weapons, instead only to oversee hired mercenary Benghazi militia guards, so the Libyans would see us as friendly and non hostile.

    What he and HRC created was a gun free zone which invited an attack.
    He and Hillary as Sec-State were attempting to show that they had established a normal American presence in Libya after the air and drone attacks, and they could through soft power and leading from behind promote a new kind of American leadership in the region.

    They are complicit in the failure and the lies, and practically stealing an election, for if the American people had known the failure of that debacle the vote would’ve changed by more than a few percentage points,

  • Sirfith™ (D)
  • forpeace

    Where were all these GOTPers who keep babbling about Benghazi when all these attacked on U.S. Embassies happened under George W. Bush?

    Attacks on U.S. Diplomatic Facilities from 2002 – 2008:
    — June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan – Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
    — February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia – Truck bomb kills 17.
    — February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan – Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
    — July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan – Suicide bomber kills two.
    — December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia – Five killed, 10 wounded.
    — March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan – Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
    — September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria – One killed and 13 wounded.
    — January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece – A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
    — July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey – Three policemen killed.
    — March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen – Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.
    — September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen – Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

  • Danielmey

    Sorry, I missed where these were “Benghazi’s”. I must be really dumb, so please help me. When did Bush blame American citizens practicing their 1st Amendment rights as the protagonist for the attack? When did Bush make sure one of those citizens went to jail? When did Bush lie about who attacked, and why? When did he have all the intelligence reports re-written and sent his staff on TV? Please let me know, I really hate it when I’m ignorant, it hurts my self-esteem.

    • julianenglish

      Most of what you say is BS, leading me to suspect that you aren’t just ignorant, but stupid, as well. Sorry if that’s a blow to your self esteem.

      • Danielmey

        Oh really? You must not pay attention. *Every* intelligence agency says they knew “from day one” it was terrorists, not the movie. No intelligence agency claims they knew Iraq didn’t have WMDs. Obama blamed American citizens for the attack–he even spent money airing commercials *apologizing* to the country that attacked us. Were the 9/11 attacks intelligence reports rewritten over 10 times until the word “terrorist” was removed? Did Bush claim he had nothing to do with what somebody said on TV, (Rice blaming the movie) only to have an email that shows that as a bald faced lie pop up?

        Of course, I noticed you didn’t try and refute a single thing I said–because you can’t.

        • julianenglish

          I didn’t try to refute what you said because nearly all of what you said is wrong. It is wrong on the facts and wrong in the interpretation of said facts.

          Suffice it to say, if any intellegent, well informed people want to argue with you, they can. It shouldn’t be hard to demonstrate the err of your ways. As for me, my ego doesn’t reqire that i be the one to prove you wrong. Lfe’s too short to argue with a fence post. I climb over or walq

  • eva

    where was the main stream media on this?

  • Clay Buster

    …and the differences are, those attacks were blamed on TERRORISM, not some stupid video. Furthermore, I don’t recall anyone in the Bush administration saying who cares now and “what difference does it make” now that its over.

  • InformedVoter111

    Tell me again –
    Which of these led to the Bush administration engaging in a deliberate misinformation campaign, using all of the resources of the Presidency to provide a false narrative to protect the President in the upcoming election?

    Which ones were based on weapons being illegally funneled to Syria?

  • JonBarleyCorn

    So you’re more upset with Bush than the radical Islamists who did most or all of that killing? I see no condemnation of their actions — and no sympathy for the victims.

    Sad… It’s called Bush Derangement Syndrome. Seek help.

    At least Bush had ZERO Americans killed on US Soil by terrorists after 911 OBummer is already up to 17 dead, 285 wounded.

    How can I say that? The media bent over backwards to say the LAX Shooting and the DC Sniper were NOT terrorist incidents. OK fine. They were not jihadists in the strict sense of the word. So let those go.

    But they also tried it with the 3 incidents below. Come on man.

    When someone yells “Allah Akbar” and fires into unarmed soldiers heads, ya. We get it. That’s terrorism, not “workplace violence.”

    17 Americans dead. 285 wounded. All at the hands of Jihadists. All under Obama. All on American soil. A very poor record indeed.

    1.) The 2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting took place on June 1, 2009, when Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad opened fire with a rifle in a drive-by shooting on soldiers in front of a United States military recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas. He killed Private William Long, and wounded Private Quinton Ezeagwula.

    2.) The 2009 shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, that left 13 soldiers and
    civilians dead and more than two dozen others wounded. Nidal Hasan, a
    psychiatrist and major in the U.S. Army Medical Corps, is the only
    suspect and is now awaiting a military trial.

    3.) The bombing at the Boston Marathon on April 15, 2013, that killed three and injured more than 260.

    Disgusting. And just think of the near misses. Obamas total could easily be in the thousands.

    • Neoconsaredicks

      Just like the right is more upset with Obama than the people who did the actual killing…….ZERO Americans killed on American soil…..WRONG !…..DC Sniper John Allen Muhammad, killed 17 and injured 10 in October of ’02…..Anthrax attacks….Anthrax was mailed to US Senators and news media offices, killing 5 people and infecting 17 others…..I know , you have the George Bush “Kept us safe” disease…leaving out a few facts….it’s like saying the Maiden voyage of the Titanic was a wonderful ride across the Atlantic Ocean, if you don’t count that iceberg thing.

  • Michiganmitch

    The Benghazi attacks are supposed evidence of the weakness of Obama. Does this mean Bush was 13 times weaker or should we use the death toll ratios to provide for an appropriate statistic. 122/4= 30 Bush was 30 times weaker? Makes sense in that 21 or so guys hijacked planes and attacked targets in the U.S. showing ultimate disrespect for a punk leader. And what about St. Ronnie whose weakness cost well over 200 marines in Beirut all followed by a withdrawl.

  • Monomachos

    What an overwrought piece trying to defend Obama and Clinton’s handling of Benghazi. Were13 US ambassadors killed under Bush after their requests for additional security were denied by the State Department? No. Did Bush and Condi Rice go ahead telling a false story about the cause of the attacks? No, but Obama and Clinton did, knowing from Day 1 that there had been no protest, just an attack. Yes there have been other attacks on US embassies and consulates, but there is only one Benghazi.

    • typeviic1 .

      Projection much?

  • John Williams

    Also what’s different is that Bush didn’t ever ignore pleas for more security and certainly never told troops to stand down when confronted with the possibility of American deaths. In that regard, this article is a waste of space trying to create a false equivalency.

    • typeviic1 .

      Projection much??

      • John Williams

        Typical lefty–doesn’t even know what projection is and spams his ignorance.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    What’s really very different in these 12 incidences is that few Americans were killed and none in most of them. In those that Americans were killed, about 3 of these incidents, they were Car Bombs. In those that the US had advance notice, there were travel alerts issued and security increases. In all of them, the assailants were killed in the attack, arrested and/or executed with issues of extradition.

    What’s different from obama’s real Benghazi is that this was on the anniversary of the attack on our homeland soil, in America; there was prior intelligence that there would be an attack; there was an incidence already recorded against Great Britain’s Embassy and they vacated; the besieged begged for increased security and were rebuffed, refused, denied; our Secretary of State lied about it and assigned blame other than where it lay, herself; the pResident lied about it and assigned blame other than where it lay; the state department sent someone out to 5 different Sunday news shows to lie about it and assign blame other than where it lay; the government, at all levels closed ranks and threatened all witnesses not speak with investigators; the three witnesses that did talk to investigators were punished while those responsible were promoted and allowed to retire unscathed; life saving intervention was ordered to stand down; no investigation was commenced for weeks, until October….

    I’m getting tired of writing, showing the difference between the “13” Benghazis under Bush.

    It’s been more than 19 months and nobody has done a thing to bring these mooks to justice!

    Oh, and the attackers haven’t been caught, either!

    • typeviic1 .

      Projection much???

      • Libertarian Soldier

        En Inglés Por Favor?

    • Libertarian Soldier

      June 29, 2014. One attacker was arrested last week, almost 21 months after the attack after this same guy that’s been interviewed by different countries and news organizations. He’s been very easy to find and was arrested in his home, without incident, where he’s lived for years!

      They’re going to try him as a US citizen in civilian court with all the rights and constitutional protections of a USA citizen, in a city court room!

  • Layla

    This is crap.

  • Mike Fleres

    FOX News did report on these attacks, you dumbass blogger. Do your homework. Look it up.

  • Cordstreet

    How many American diplomats died in these attacks? More importantly did Bush or his State Dept trot out some make-believe story just prior to an election so not to look bad? Hmmm?

  • parated2k

    Typical Obamabot BS. Not that I’m defending Bush in any of these, Obama’s
    treason over Benghazi isn’t that there was an attack on a consulate!
    It’s that Obama, Hillary and Panetta REFUSED to allow for a defense of
    the consulate as it was going on. They aided the enemy in the attack
    when they had the ability to defend the consulate!

    They
    betrayed the Americans there, as it was going on!! So please quit
    passing stupidity on that has nothing to do with the facts of the
    charges!

    Then
    they tried to cover up their treason with lies about a stupid video.
    That in and of itself isn’t treason, but it is criminal, and grounds for
    impeachment and conspiracy against the United States charges.

    Of course, none of you give a crap about facts. Obama could have bragged about his treason on national TV, and his mindless minions would still defend him.

    Anyone who can still support Obama or Hillary after this deserves to have been in the consulate when it was attacked!

  • Sam Houston

    So, I take it that The Daily Banter is just another Libtard whore house. “Oh! It’s Bush’s fault!” Give it a rest already. Can’t your boy Obama stand on his own two left feet? Geesh! Going to have to start calling you Whinetards instead.

  • richard_e
    • Sam Houston

      What is it? Sorry, I am not gullible enough to use Farcebook.

  • Ignacio J. Couce

    Nice try, but in NONE of these incidents were agencies of the U.S. government and the Secretary of State aware of an ongoing attack, which they then misattributed and ignored for hours!

    Therefore, only three explanations are possible for writing this nonsense exist. Either one, you’re shill, or two you’re a disingenuous shill, or three a stupid shill. Take your pick.

    • jezebel

      Since when do US consulates & embassies not count as US properties? And how does your bullshit lie justify the deaths of all the people involved?

      Do the nation a solid:

      STFU & DON’T BREED.

      • Sam Houston

        I only thumbed up the fact that those are US Sovereign soil as per UN agreement.

  • Mikey

    I’m still confused by the bruhaha. Vote for a republican, get into one war with the wrong country and one that is 8 years too long. Vote for a democrat, get dragged into a war which has no purpose or chance to succeed. Yet, here you all are, sniping at each other. All these political bastards are the same and they have deceived you.

    • jezebel

      False equivalence is false.

      If you don’t understand the differences btwn the war-mongering right wing Republicans & democrats then you’re not smart enough to be making blig comments of any kind.

      • Mikey

        Jez, I think I understand this game pretty well. Establish your (repuklican/dumocrat) base of voters. Feed them the rhetoric that they like to hear. Legislate to keep the cash flowing to industry, unions and your buddies. Buy mansion with high fence and hire private security team. Send kids to 30k/year private school. Screw everyone who makes less money than you. Rinse, repeat.

        • jezebel

          You’re either a moron incapable of intelligent thought… Or a trash-talking #GOPTroll.

          It matters not which because either way, you’re spewing GOPLies & Propaganda to portray “Dems” as the bad guys when it’s Republicans who are ALWAYS tanking our economy & trying to micro-manage people’s personal lives.

          Republicans want to force women to have their rapists babies & if that wasn’t totally bat-shit insane enough, they then want to give rapists the right to sue for custody!!

          Thus any internet DBag who tries to paint D’s & R’s w/the same broad brush is either lying or an idiot.

          Either way, Con artist or fool, you don’t deserve anyone’s time or attention. So kindly fu@k off.

          • Mikey

            Have another big swig of that cool aid. I don’t need to insult you- your comments speak to your intelligence and character. I’m waiting for someone to explain why republican fat cats are devils, but al gores mansions and John Edwards millions are a ok. I believe that you have all been deceived. This country desperately needs better educated, enlightened voters. But all I see are ranting demagogues and their blind, ignorant, self annointed know it all supporters- on left and right.

          • Mikey

            You have a lot of hate brewing lady, but your keyboard courage is awe inspiring. I appreciate that you know better than everyone else and have appointed yourself as judge, jury, moderator and all around queen of the internet. All hail the all knowing jezebel! We quake in fear of your intellect and beauty, and fear the public wrath of your naughty dagger-like tongue!

          • Sam Houston

            OK jezebel. Look who just fell off the Libtard turnip truck. How dare you tarnish that name. Girl, you must being hitting that menopause cause you one screwy lefthand nutjob.
            The verdict is still out on that whole date rape cause. Just like the sexual harassment lawsuits of the 90’s, you can thank your fellow sisters for proving it false. In fact, if you want to be so honest, it was two White girls that falsely accused the “Scottsboro Boys”. As for rape babies, just how many abortions are performed for actual rape cases? I will be generous and say 3% but probably is <1%. Let's just go with that 3%. Absolutely none of those women are being denied or will be denied an early on abortion. If they do not report the rape then decide 3-4 months later to have an abortion, well, that is just too late. So out of those 3%. I can imagine that you will state that there are many, many cases of unreported rape and the later term abortions or just women who are having cold feet about raising a rapist's baby and too ashamed to admit that they have been raped. OK, so what percentage out of the non raped claimed other abortions; 10%? According to you, 100% of all abortions are rape related. That does not seem to jive with the data; 1.21 million abortions in 2008 with only 90,000 rapes. That's a large disparity. Maybe they were mostly Octo-Mom? BTW, those rape figures includes those of unlawful carnal knowledge of a minor. You know the ones between a 17 year old and a 19 year old that have been dating for several years.
            Do us all a favor there J-BeeZy and take your own advice.

          • jezebel

            I’m sorry but low-life #GOPTroll liars don’t interest me – or the American people.

            President Obama won twice!
            By a landslide both times…
            You still mad huh? :)

  • Todd Parsons

    What a stupid article. First you claim that the Benghazi attack was like 13 other attacks on US assets. Then you condemn Fox News for not covering these incidents the same way that it has covered Benghazi. NO NEWS OUTLETS condemned the Bush Administration for its handling of the attacks on our embassies because the Bush Administration didn’t lie and cover up what happened when our embassies were attacked. So asserting that Fox should have condemned the Bush Administration for these events is ridiculous. In case you hadn’t noticed yet, Bush is no longer in office. Can we just deal with Obama for a change. At what point does this man become responsible for anything his administration does? To assert that the Benghazi attack was handled well by the Obama Administration begs credulity. Why can’t you people just admit the truth, the Obama Administration is completely and utterly incompetent. Benghazi makes that abundantly clear and all the finger pointing at Fox News won’t change that. If Obama had been captain of the Titanic it would have sank long before it struck the iceberg.

    • jezebel

      The Obama administration never lied

      Darryl Issa did when HIS OFFICE doctored internal emails & this RWNJ Conspiracy Theory was propagated by RWNJ Jon Karl.

      Honestly, you fu@ktards could be hit in the face with a “reality” brick and you STILL wouldn’t know WTF was going on.

      • Todd Parsons

        The Obama Administration never lied? I’m sorry to have to tell you this but all the Obama Administration ever does is lie. They lie all day, all night, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Every week there is a new scandal to distract from the current one. They can’t even admit that they lied about Obamacare. “if you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan, period.” MORE LIES. Check out http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/obamas-tour-of-lies/ for a just a brief overview. The bottom line is Obama is lying to you. You are very passionate about what you believe and I admire you for that. But I truly believe this President has betrayed you and a lot of other people as well.

        • Sam Houston

          If truth were a non-venomous rat snake, she would be dead from the shear multitude of bites.

  • scp2

    So, in any of these attacks you listed did the Bush Administration attempt to promote a false narrative about what happened and why?

    If not, guess what? They’re not “Benghazis” and your attempt to shield Obama is lame.

    • jezebel

      Dear fu@ktard #2,

      See my above comment.
      Now feel free to hit yourself in the face w/a brick.

      Thank you & good night.

  • Chris Hopson

    The difference between these and Benghazi is that the US public wan’t deceived as to whether or not these were terrorist attacks. Requests for extra security weren’t denied. What you’re leaving out of this report is the details of the 13 attacks. Not once were any of the attacks touted as anything OTHER than terrorist attacks.

    • jezebel

      Dear fu@ktard #3,

      There wasn’t time to send boots on the ground security back-up as the Time-Line of intel/events was NOT what your RWNJ media outlets led you to believe.

      Mainstream media isn’t lying to you dummies; Your Republican party is. Wake up & stop being manipulated, it’s beyond embarrassing at this juncture.

  • Steve Paupst

    its not like the Military was insanely occupied during bushes tour or that his reason for not responding to any of these attacks was because he was SLEEPING, or the fact that more likely than caring about if Hilary Clinton runs for president shes disliked for saying on air that we should forget about the recent attack or that it wasnt a big deal……Im not saying Bush was a champion president but look at what we have now. Then again blame bush or play the race card isnt that the sad but true mantra?

    • jezebel

      Dear fu@ktard #4,

      Thus far, you are winning for “dumbest comment” of the night. (Psst! Ms. Clinton’s testimony was aired live, recorded AND transcribed. What you’re claiming she said is absolute bullsh!t…

      As with all the #GOPLies that come out of your RWNJ media outlets.

      Feel free to become friends w/a brick. Thank you & good night.

  • Brenda Knapp

    ALL of the above attacks were STOPPED before breaching the Embassy or Consulate walls. Why do liberals omit the important facts. Under BUSH the security in place prevented any breaches of the Embassy or Consulate. We lost NO Ambassadors under BUSH either. At least tell the truth.

    • jezebel

      Dear fu@ktard #5,

      If the embassy/consulate attacks were stopped before reaching the compounds, no one would’ve died.

      Not only are you too stupid to be discussing politics above your intellectual paygrade, but you’re too stupid to waste oxygen on.

      Good day dingbat. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/PJSolarz Phil Solarz

    If Bush would have left these people to die, the Democraps would have been all over it. These attacks were carried out in secret. Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi was tipped off to the attack, he begged for additional security 3 times and was denied. His death could have been avoided, he was led to the slaughter for political gain by Obama and Hillary.

    • jezebel

      Dear fu@ktard #6,

      I’m so sick of reading your rwnj bullsh!t That I’m going to take a diff approach w/you & say, okay – I’ll believe you…

      As soon as you cite your sources of Incontrovertible facts & definitive proof.

      I’ll wait.

      Until then, you’re just another RWNJ sheeple.

  • Grass Hopper

    None of these instances lasted for hours with our diplomats and guards constantly screaming for assistance on deaf ears. This was like the Obama administration murdered them. They said Hillary was to blame. I don’t see her apologizing and stepping down out of respect for the lives that she could have saved. Obama just went to bed. I’m sure if it was Jeremiah Wright in the embassy or Chelsea Clinton half
    the armed forces would have been there when a crowd formed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dusty.koellhoffer Dusty Koellhoffer

    And in not a single event was President Bush responsible for reducing the protection of those places, nor did he refuse to send them help when needed. Comparing apples to oranges doesn’t begin to cover the flaw in your logic. Your article is just stupidity talking.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/benghazi-irs-scandals-no-comparison-to-iran-contra-watergate

  • fiftyoddkickback

    Not at any point did Bush try to deny the attacks were made by terrorists. That is the point. Geez. The desperation here is palpable.

  • michael45

    This is the typical Republican witch hunt, grasping at straws to dig up any meaningless dirt they can to try and convince their dumb voter base of what isn`t true. Yeah, bush can start TWO wars that caused the deaths of over 100,000 civilians and 4,500 American soldiers, not to mention 9/11. You don`t hear a peep from the right about these. This is why I will NEVER , ever vote for a Republican as long as I live. I used to vote for the person, not the party. Not anymore. Instead of running government, they are obstructionists, whiney losers. And they will keep losing elections, then scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. I`m not saying dems are perfect, but they are way better than Repubs.

    • Grass Hopper

      You’re ignorant.

      • jezebel

        You’re a mentally rightarded moron.

        cwutididthere? ;)

  • terry seale

    The head of state of Libya said it was a terrorist attack before Amb. Rice went out and contradicted him to his great embarrassment You saw that hearing where the State Dept woman would not use the word “Al Queda” no matter how many times the question was put to her. They (Obama/Clinton) had made a decision that Al Queda is not to be mentioned or alluded to because they asserted it died with Bin Laden. Why are they so dumb that they don’t even care how dumb they look.

    Fort Hood: “workplace violence!” They will say ANYTHING.

    • LaughingLiberal

      ” They (Obama/Clinton) had made a decision that Al Queda is not to be
      mentioned or alluded to because they asserted it died with Bin Laden.”

      That is not a fact. That’s your opinion (or Rush’s). In fact, the administration *has* stated that “Al Queda is on the run…” and that “Al Queda has been decimated” but has never said that it was dead or defeated. “Decimated” is a term from history (Romans) that means that one of every 10 soldiers has been removed (usually killed) which is probably a pretty fair assessment, but it does NOT mean that they are gone.

  • Masmani

    Remind me, which one of these got blamed on an unrelated video by the Bush administration?

  • HoosierLady

    The attack, in and of itself, is not at issue here so you’re arguing against a point no one is making. What is at issue is the cover up, the lies told to the American people by everyone in this administration for weeks after the attack. Also at issue is the fact that no help was sent to those under attack. Those who were in a position to provide aid were told not to go. This president and his underlings are incompetent.

  • McHale72

    It’s too bad the author of this crap doesn’t have a firm grasp of what’s going on. I guess if you write a LOT OF WORDS in bold with dates it’s supposed to look official and at a minimum, relevant?

  • http://www.zombielogic.org/ Thomas L. Vaultonburg

    Nice work.

  • http://occasion-to-be.com Walker

    Except none of these attacks were covered up by blaming them on a “Movie” .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Daniels/100002412034189 Susan Daniels

    Are you actually trying to compare these with Benghazi? Benghazi is where the government knew an attack was going on (in a staged kidnapping that went awry), refused to send help when they knew people were going to die and then lied to everyone in the world about why it took place? You have got to be kidding or crazy!

    • villemar

      Impeach or STFU.

  • http://connect.freedomworks.org/node/45216 BruceMajors4DC

    But Bush didn’t refuse to send help and then lie about it to be elected.

    By not attending to that distinction this is another media complicity lie to manipulate low information dupes.

    Besides which “Bush did it too” is not a defense.

    It mainly raises the question of whether you Obama zombies were also lazy in exposing Bush perfidy when it would have mattered.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shelley.farrell.5 Shelley Farrell

    Someone comment here please PLEASE!!! If Fox news and the repubs want to criticize the President for going to a fund raiser the day after the Benghazi attacks… WHERE WAS BUSH EACH DAY AFTER THESE ATTACKS THAT OCCURED DURING HIS ADMIN? I am sure he went on his way and did his scheduled appointments as well… but, I can’t find anything about it online.

    • raykinsella

      Good use of your time…while your at it, please tell me how may of the attacks cited in the article above were claimed by president Bush or Condaleza Rice to have been instigated by a poorly made and incomplete YouTube video? It would be good to know if Bush administration officials also gave a “stand down” order to potential rescue forces during the 7-8 hr siege. In fact, did any of the 13 attacks during Bush’s presidency even last more than just 1 hour? How about more than just a few minutes? And while all deaths are tragic, just how many American or American Ambassadors were killed in the 13 attacks listed in this article?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Frank-McAvoy/728410562 Frank McAvoy

    This article and the talking point it attempts to promote are nothing more that misdirection from mindless Obama sycophants.

    The outrage from the right is not about the tragedy that resulted from the attacks, as the false narrative tries to claim, but rather from the misdirection and outright lies told by the administration in regards to the attack.

    The administration has been caught lying about their refusal to provide extra security to the consulate when it was requested, and they lied about the cause for the attack and the culprits behind the attack.

    Embassies and consulates get attacked. It’s tragic but it happens. What is atypical is to have the administration lie and cover up the facts related to an attack.

    This is the case here. The CIA memo that was edited 12 times and the congressional report proving Hillary Clinton signed off on denying the request for extra security are incontrovertible evidence that the administration deliberately misled people in order to avoid perceived political fallout.

    If Hillary Clinton admitted that she denied the extra security and gave her reasons for it, and the administration hadn’t spent the month following the attack lying to our faces and telling us it was all about a video, then reaction from the right would have been much less significant. Surely, Obama and his office would still have taken some amount of flack, but it would be nowhere near the level it has reached.

    Again, all of us, right and left, are saddened by the tragedy of those deaths. But the outrage comes from being lied to about it.

    Stop trying to derail the real argument by pretending otherwise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dianne-Crandall/1227086026 Dianne Crandall

    First off, Fox did report the attacks when the occurred. The difference is Bush didn’t blame a short video and throw the maker of it into jail, (who’s still there) and then spent $70,000 making a video apologizing to Muslims in the Middle East for the blamed video, which in the end wasn’t the reason for the attacks in the first place. Nor did he learn about it and then NEVER made a phone call after 6 pm our time to see what the hell was going on, (that Vegas trip ya know with Jay-Z and Beyonce the next day.) Oh and then lied about what happened. Bush hasn’t been President for over 5 years and when Bush did screw up, tell me, did they point back to Clinton and talk about when he screwed up too? I don’t think so. You voted for him, you got him, you’re going to have to learn to suck it up!! By the way, with the Presidents of ABC and CBS having siblings working at the White House, do you think that might have swayed coverage of Obama?

    • Lady Willpower

      “…did they point back to Clinton and talk about when he screwed up too?”

      Considering how many times I’ve seen conservatives blame Clinton for 9/11, I’d say that’s a resounding YES.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aaronscottdempsey Aaron Scott Dempsey

    Listen, something stinks here. But guess what? It’s been stinking for the past 30+ years, no matter which party is in charge. Stop trying to score points for your party by pointing out the fuck-ups of the other party. If you support either party, you are part of the problem. Grow up and cut out the partisan bullshit.

  • d1stewart

    Answer to your questions: They were reinforced. Security was beefed up at embassies by Bush.

    Now, as to your characterizations of these as “Benghazis”: You’re a liar.

    None of these attacks was anything like the attack at Benghazi. The Benghazi attack was a sustained attack over hours by an estimated 150 people. The attacks listed above were car-bomb attacks, a few gunmen storming and being fought off and killed in a short span of time (in other words, responded to immediately), attempts to invade the consulates that were fought off successfully, and an attack on an information center that you falsely say was an attack on a consulate.

    These falsehoods are not accidental–you are not interested in the truth. The extents and natures of the attacks you cite here were not comparable to Benghazi; the handling of each of the attacks as they occurred was not comparable to Benghazi; the threat to personnel and the personnel casualties were not comparable to Benghazi; the security lead-ups and responses were nothing like in the case of Benghazi; the administration responses during and after the fact were not at all comparable to Benghazi. These attacks did not lead to deaths of US consulate personnel, and did not lead to campaigns of lying to the public and ass-covering as Benghazi did.

    Not one of the accusations–not one of the realities–about the Obama handling of Benghazi–before, during, and after–could have been said about the Bush-era attacks, which is why you cannot make such accusations except as a general claim that they could be made. Unfortunately, the facts about these attacks are entirely different from those of the Benghazi attacks, leaving you with nothing but a baseless, mendacious rhetorical claim.

    Your claim that McCain, Hannity, Graham said nothing after any of these attacks is ridiculous, as those attacks did not involve anyone’s security failures enabling the attacks, dereliction during the attacks, or campaigns of lies and coverups after the attacks. As such, they would not have led to anything to say.

    What a dishonest piece of shit this article is–an explosion of flak for hate-addled and desperate hacks like Bob Cesca.

  • Rob Thomas

    Anyone who thinks this Benghazi disaster wasn’t controlled by political motives coordinated from within the WH is a GD fool.

  • Rob Thomas

    What an worthless article from someone who obviously masturbates to the tune “But what about Bush…”

    You damn fool.

  • bruce.6

    Can you site the cover ups?

  • B Manz

    The more comments I read by Leftists, the more I am convinced Leftism is a mental disease with no cure. So enamored by their Messiah they refuse to see the truth as it beats them over the head. You condemned Bush for his lies, and rightly so. But you did that because someone told you to. Being “enlightened” is simply a euphemism for ‘too stupid to think for yourself’ so you have to have Rachel Maddow and his ilk tell you what to think. You folks are so brainwashed you can’t see that Barry is Bush on steroids. You fools are everything that is wrong with America.

  • Al

    You missed the whole point. The Obama administration lied about this whole attack from the beginning. Then made up 12 revisions to cover their lies to the American people. Bush never tried to lie about any attack on any embassy. All these attacks and deaths that you speak of in this article they have one thing in common and that is that it was covered by all the main stream media. Unlike the Benghazi attack it was basically a non-event to you guys, or as the Jedi-Press secretary Jay said,
    Benghazi was a long time ago as he waves his hand at us. But guess what Jay those old Jedi mind tricks only work in the movies!

    • Lady Willpower

      “Bush never tried to lie about any attack on any embassy.”

      One could argue it was far worse to lie us into attacking Iraq over nonexistent WMDs, couldn’t one?

      • raykinsella

        No…because while the WMD’s were never found, intelligence services from several countries all said they were there. Even democratic senators and house members who had security clearance agreed with the intelligence reports and then voted for the war! Were you alive then? how did. You miss hose widely reported details? Hence, there was NO LIE or cover up regarding the WMD’s in Iraq!

        • Lady Willpower

          According to your analysis the Bush administration was merely wrong, not lying. OK, I’ll bite. As I’ve said before, being wrong is not the same as lying. Obama is guilty of being wrong about Benghazi, not lying.
          You should give him the same amount of consideration you gave the Bush admin.

          • d1stewart

            No, Obama knew when he said over the ambassador’s and the security personnel’s dead bodies that none of this began in a protest against a video, and knew that he had not done all he could have to come to their aid. He knew those things–and said the opposite. That’s lying. The Bush administration said what many intel agencies around the world, what Hussein wanted believed by Iraq’s neighboring countries’ governments, what previous US administrations, what the leadership of the Democrat party in both houses, also said–said publicly, said repeatedly, said without any knowledge of its falsehood. Since they did not believe what they said was false but believed it to be true, it was not lying.

            Obama knew what he said, what Clinton said, what Rice said, what Panetta said, what Carney said, was false–but he said it anyway. That is lying.

            Giving both administrations the same consideration, Bush didn’t lie, and Obama did. This is not subtle, ambiguous, uncharitable, or inconsiderate. It’s just a fact: Obama lied and continues to lie.

          • Kwa85

            Of course Bush lied, even after it was found that there were no wmds.

            And repeating redumblican talking points and presenting them as facts does not a “fact” make. There is no factual basis of a lie or a cover up by Obama, Clinton, Petraeus, Pickering, Mullen, Panetta etc, just allegations and hot air.

            You need to get out of your partisan bubble and see what the independent fact checkers are saying about this. You’ll find that it isn’t the crap you’re spouting on about. Wake up buddy!

          • d1stewart

            Name-calling, denial, and of course… “Wake up!” The desperation call of the lying liberal defeated.

          • Kwa85

            Stop whining. It’s embarrassing.

      • Gib74

        Tell the Kurds that there were not WMD in Iraq…

        I’m sure they would LOVE to hear that.

      • d1stewart

        Only a liar who was willing to say Bush lied about WMDs. Like you. It would be a lousy, invalid argument. That doesn’t matter to you?

        • Lady Willpower

          Do you have any substantive argument other than name-calling?

          • d1stewart

            Yes: Pointing out facts that you lie about, pointing out the invalidity of your logic, and refuting your distortions. I wouldn’t engage in baseless name-calling; and calling someone who lies a liar is not name-calling, it’s identification.

          • jezebel

            “calling someone who lies a liar is not name-calling, it’s identification”…

            I like this logic. With it in mind…

            You’re a stuck-on-stupid, dishonest, dumb-fu@k

            Reality check:

            Valerie Plame’s undercover CIA cover was blown by vindictive Bush administration because her husband refuted the manufactured intel as false.

            Ie, your boy bush lied us into war & tens of thousands of deaths. Either educate yourself or stfu. One.or the other please.

  • http://twitter.com/JenHag408 Jen Haggerty

    Please list the number of Americans killed, how many ambassadors were murdered, the length of the attacks, how the attacks ended, what happened in the aftermath of the attacks (I.e. was there a cover up), and how many requests for more security there had been for each embassy.

    • DrowningKittens

      This article asserts a qualitative comparison between embassy attacks and murdered US ambassadors. The missing quantitative comparison is that only 6 US ambassadors (presidential appointed representatives of the US) have been murdered total. Or to convert this to another qualitative comparison, almost 17% of all murdered US ambassadors have occurred on Obama’s watch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.taylor.372 Douglas Taylor

    Which one of these was covered up? which one had 12 revisions? which one WAS REFUSED HELP WHEN ASKED? Which one did Bush and his people sit and watch “real time”. Which one had a fabricated story blaming and jailing a US citizen for a so called video? I could go on… Fast and Furious, IRS on the TEA PARTY etc. By the way when Nixon did it you were all over his ass, so QUID PRO QUO, deal with it, So much for “The most transparent administration ever”

    • Lady Willpower

      OMG they revised the talking points before making a statement.

      • d1stewart

        No. OMG, they changed facts to falsehoods, intentionally, in order to conceal the truth for political cover. Why don’t you just go a little more general and say, “OMG! They used word processing software!” How many lies will you spread to protect their lies?

        • Lady Willpower

          You literally don’t know any of that. You merely wish that were true.

          • d1stewart

            Literally, we know all of that. You only wish we didn’t know it–not that it weren’t true, as that is no concern to you–only that we didn’t know it. But literally (perhaps you think, like Joe Biden, that “literally” means “not really, but figuratively”; it doesn’t), we know that they changed facts to falsehoods (claimed that the attack began with a protest against a video on YouTube, when they were originally told, and knew, that it did not and that there was no protest at all, and altered that very factual statement from the intelligence), intentionally (the State Department’s emails make clear that it wasn’t an editing slip, but edits crafted in 12 iterations), to conceal the truth for political cover (to meet the desire to propagate the above falsehood as well as to remove statements of the role played by an Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group, because the administration was campaigning on its putative elimination of Al Qaeda). See, that’s what “literally” means, and what literally knowing all of that means. Making now literally and obviously false denials of that because it condemns those who you favor regardless of their actions, is wishing it were not true.

          • Kwa85

            What you describe has little resemblance to “literally”, it is partisan spin based on refuted “evidence”. Be a good fellow and stop presenting your opinions as facts. It’s tiresome, tedious and embarrassing. Go to any fact check site to help yourself properly understand the issue.

          • d1stewart

            I know that, being factually wrong and having no rebuttal but to say “no, it’s spin,” you have nothing at your disposal but tawdry condescension, but be a good fellow and shove that. It’s worthless. Why bother commenting on anything if all you have to offer is cheesy denial?

          • Kwa85

            Stop being an ignorant crybaby. You can’t just make unsubstantiated remarks and present your “analysis” as “literally” facts. They’re allegations and opinions based on your personal perception, which is fair enough.

          • d1stewart

            Denying substantiated facts doesn’t turn them into “remarks,” and I didn’t present analysis but facts. They’re not based on a personal perception, but are readily perceptible by anyone who turns his attention toward the facts, rather than engaging in desperate self-directed attempts to deny facts. They’re not allegations; they’re now known facts. Your “which is fair enough” is just how you begin to crumble since you know you’re engaged in a dishonest enterprise of defending the indefensible. Good luck with the rest of your journey. Maybe it won’t take long.

          • Kwa85

            You presented OPINION.

            “…to conceal the truth for political cover (to meet the desire to propagate the above falsehood as well as to remove statements of the role played by an Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group, because the administration was campaigning on its putative elimination of Al Qaeda).”

            Speculation, allegation and personal perception NOT fact. How come you don’t know the basic difference between fact and opinion?

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.taylor.372 Douglas Taylor

        No… they fabricated a story (lie) to divert attention from the terrorist act that actually occurred and THEY KNEW ABOUT! Bet you would feel a whole lot different if you made the video that had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ATTACK. This was done because of Obama’s election montra “Osama’s dead and GM’s alive” which gives the inference that terrorism had been defeated defeated. GEEZZZZ

        • Lady Willpower

          Lay off the CAPSLOCK, ese.

  • raykinsella

    Maybe I missed it Mr. Cesca(is it okay in the liberal world to use gender prefixes?), but in anyone of these attacks that you cite…had there been credible intelligence reports that suggested the possibility that on the anniversary of 9/11 an Islamic Terrorist group just might launch an attack? Also, had there been previous requests for additional security – that was denied, at any of these locations? Furthermore, how many Americans and American Ambassadors were murdered in these attacks? Lastly, how many of these attacks lasted as much as 7-8 hours?

    I don’t know if you’re a victim or a participant in the liberal indoctrination and enslavement of Americans, but you do nothing in this article but perpetuate ignorance and provide your followers with a long winded but useless retort. Please provide a substantive argument or allow the truth to be exposed!

  • raykinsella

    These are the terrorist attacks that occurred during Clinton 2 terms. How many congressional investigation were launched to look into these?
    Manila Bombing, December 30, 2000:
    A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. Embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

    Helicopter Hijacking, October 12, 2000:
    In Sucumbios Province, Ecuador, a group of armed kidnappers led by former members of defunct Colombian terrorist organization the Popular Liberation Army (EPL), took hostage 10 employees of Spanish energy consortium REPSOL. Those kidnapped included five U.S. citizens, one Argentine, one Chilean, one New Zealander, and two French pilots who escaped four days later. On January 30, 2001, the kidnappers murdered American hostage Ronald Sander. The remaining hostages were released on February 23 following the payment of $13 million in ransom by the oil companies.

    Attack on U.S.S. Cole, October 12, 2000:
    In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Laden were suspected.

    Church Bombing in Tajikistan, October 1, 2000:
    Unidentified militants detonated two bombs in a Christian church in Dushanbe, killing seven persons and injuring 70 others. The church was founded by a Korean-born U.S. citizen, and most of those killed and wounded were Korean. No one claimed responsibility.

    Kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan, August 12, 2000:
    In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four U.S. citizens hostage. The Americans escaped on August 12.

    ELN Kidnapping, June 27, 2000:
    In Bogota, Colombia, ELN militants kidnapped a 5-year-old U.S. citizen and his Colombian mother, demanding an undisclosed ransom.
    RUF Attacks on U.N. Mission Personnel, May 1, 2000:
    On 1 May in Makeni, Sierra Leone, Revolutionary United Front (RUF) militants kidnapped at least 20 members of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL) and surrounded and opened fire on a UNAMSIL facility, according to press reports. The militants killed five UN soldiers in the attack. RUF militants kidnapped 300 UNAMSIL peacekeepers throughout the country, according to press reports. On 15 May in Foya, Liberia, the kidnappers released 139 hostages. On 28 May, on the Liberia and Sierra Leone border, armed militants released unharmed the last of the UN peacekeepers.

    In Freetown, according to press reports, armed militants ambushed two military vehicles carrying four journalists. A Spaniard and one U.S. citizen were killed in a May 25 car bombing in Freetown for which the RUF was probably responsible. Suspected RUF rebels also kidnapped 21 Indian UN peacekeepers in Freetown on June 6. Additional attacks by RUF on foreign personnel followed.
    PLA Kidnapping, December 23, 1999:
    Colombian People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces kidnapped a U.S. citizen in an unsuccessful ransoming effort.

    Burmese Embassy Seizure, October 1, 1999:
    Burmese dissidents seized the Burmese Embassy in Bangkok, Thailand, taking 89 persons hostage, including one U.S. citizen.

    AFRC Kidnappings, August 4, 1999:
    An Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) faction kidnapped 33 UN representatives near Occra Hills, Sierra Leone. The hostages included one U.S. citizen, five British soldiers, one Canadian citizen, one representative from Ghana, one military officer from Russia, one officer from Kyrgystan, one officer from Zambia, one officer from Malaysia, a local Bishop, two UN officials, two local journalists, and 16 Sierra Leonean nationals.

    Shell Platform Bombing, June 27, 1999:
    In Port Harcourt, Nigeria, armed youths stormed a Shell oil platform, kidnapping one U.S. citizen, one Nigerian national, and one Australian citizen, and causing undetermined damage. A group calling itself “Enough is Enough in the Niger River” claimed responsibility. Further seizures of oil facilities followed.
    ELN Hostage-taking, May 30, 1999:
    In Cali, Colombia, armed ELN militants attacked a church in the neighborhood of Ciudad Jardin, kidnapping 160 persons, including six U.S. citizens and one French national. The rebels released approximately 80 persons, including three U.S. citizens, later that day.

    ELN Hostage-taking, March 23, 1999:
    Armed guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Boyaca, Colombia. The National Liberation Army (ELN) claimed responsibility and demanded $400,000 ransom. On 20 July, ELN rebels released the hostage unharmed following a ransom payment of $48,000.

    Hutu Abductions, March 1, 1999:
    150 armed Hutu rebels attacked three tourist camps in Uganda, killed four Ugandans, and abducted three U.S. citizens, six Britons, three New Zealanders, two Danish citizens, one Australian, and one Canadian national. Two of the U.S. citizens and six of the other hostages were subsequently killed by their abductors.

    FARC Kidnappings, February 25, 1999:
    FARC kidnapped three U.S. citizens working for the Hawaii-based Pacific Cultural Conservancy International. On March 4, the bodies of the three victims were found in Venezuela.

    Ugandan Rebel Attack, February 14, 1999:
    A pipe bomb exploded inside a bar, killing five persons and injuring 35 others. One Ethiopian and four Ugandan nationals died in the blast, and one U.S. citizen working for USAID, two Swiss nationals, one Pakistani, one Ethiopian, and 27 Ugandans were injured. Ugandan authorities blamed the attack on the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF).

    Angolan Aircraft Downing, January 2, 1999:
    A UN plane carrying one U.S. citizen, four Angolans, two Philippine nationals and one Namibian was shot down, according to a UN official. No deaths or injuries were reported. Angolan authorities blamed the attack on National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA) rebels. UNITA officials denied shooting down the plane.

    Armed Kidnapping in Colombia, November 15, 1998:
    Armed assailants followed a U.S. businessman and his family home in Cundinamarca Department and kidnapped his 11-year-old son after stealing money, jewelry, one automobile, and two cell phones. The kidnappers demanded $1 million in ransom. On January 21, 1999, the kidnappers released the boy.

    Colombian Pipeline Bombing, October 18, 1998:
    A National Liberation Army (ELN) planted bomb exploded on the Ocensa pipeline in Antioquia Department, killing approximately 71 persons and injuring at least 100 others. The pipeline is jointly owned by the Colombia State Oil Company Ecopetrol and a consortium including U.S., French, British, and Canadian companies.

    U.S. Embassy Bombings in East Africa, August 7, 1998:
    A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 U.S. citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. Approximately 5,000 Kenyans, 6 U.S. citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. The U.S. Embassy building sustained extensive structural damage. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 7 FSNs and 3 Tanzanian citizens, and injuring 1 U.S. citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The explosion caused major structural damage to the U.S. Embassy facility. The U.S. Government held Usama Bin Laden responsible.

    Somali Hostage-takings, April 15, 1998:
    Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a U.S. citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a sub-clan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

    FARC Abduction, March 21-23, 1998:
    FARC rebels kidnapped a US citizen in Sabaneta, Colombia. FARC members also killed three persons, wounded 14, and kidnapped at least 27 others at a roadblock near Bogota. Four U.S. citizens and one Italian were among those kidnapped, as well as the acting president of the National Electoral Council (CNE) and his wife.

    Murder of U.S. Businessmen in Pakistan, November 12, 1997:
    Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

    Yemeni Kidnappings, October 30, 1997:
    Al-Sha’if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they claim the government promised them. They released the hostage on November 27.<

    Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, September 4, 1997:
    Three suicide bombers of HAMAS detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual U.S./Israeli citizen was among the dead, and 7 U.S. citizens were wounded.

    Hotel Nacional Bombing, July 12, 1997:
    A bomb exploded at the Hotel Nacional in Havana, injuring three persons and causing minor damage. A previously unknown group calling itself the Military Liberation Union claimed responsibility.

    FARC Kidnapping, March 7, 1997:
    FARC guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. mining employee and his Colombian colleague who were searching for gold in Colombia. On November 16, the rebels released the two hostages after receiving a $50,000 ransom.

    ELN Kidnapping, February 24, 1997:
    National Liberation Army (ELN) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen employed by a Las Vegas gold corporation who was scouting a gold mining operation in Colombia. The ELN demanded a ransom of $2.5 million.

    Empire State Building Sniper Attack, February 23, 1997:
    A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

    Venezuelan Abduction, February 14, 1997:
    Six armed Colombian guerrillas kidnapped a US oil engineer and his Venezuelan pilot in Apure, Venezuela. The kidnappers released the Venezuelan pilot on 22 February. According to authorities, the FARC is responsible for the kidnapping.

    Egyptian Letter Bombs, January 2-13, 1997:
    A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, New York City, London, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

    Tupac Amaru Seizure of Diplomats, December 17, 1996:
    Twenty-three members of the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA) took several hundred people hostage at a party given at the Japanese Ambassador's residence in Lima, Peru. Among the hostages were several US officials, foreign ambassadors and other diplomats, Peruvian Government officials, and Japanese businessmen. The group demanded the release of all MRTA members in prison and safe passage for them and the hostage takers. The terrorists released most of the hostages in December but held 81 Peruvians and Japanese citizens for several months.

    Abduction of US. Citizen by FARC, December 11, 1996:
    Five armed men claiming to be members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) kidnapped and later killed a U.S. geologist at a methane gas exploration site in La Guajira Department.

    Paris Subway Explosion, December 3, 1996:
    A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian, and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one U.S. citizen and a Canadian. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected.

    Red Cross Worker Kidnappings, November 1, 1996:
    In Sudan a breakaway group from the Sudanese People's Liberation Army (SPLA) kidnapped three International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) workers, including a U.S. citizen, an Australian, and a Kenyan. On 9 December the rebels released the hostages in exchange for ICRC supplies and a health survey for their camp.

    PUK Kidnapping, September 13, 1996:
    In Iraq, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) militants kidnapped four French workers for Pharmaciens Sans Frontieres, a Canadian United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) official, and two Iraqis.

    Sudanese Rebel Kidnapping, August 17, 1996:
    Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S. citizen, an Italian, three Australians, and a Sudanese. The SPLA released the hostages 11 days later.

    Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996:
    A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the US military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Zekharya Attack, June 9, 1996:
    Unidentified gunmen opened fire on a car near Zekharya, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and an Israeli. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was suspected.

    AID Worker Abduction, May 31, 1996:
    A gang of former Contra guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. employee of the Agency for International Development (AID) who was assisting with election preparations in rural northern Nicaragua. She was released unharmed the next day after members of the international commission overseeing the preparations intervened.

    West Bank Attack, May 13, 1996:
    Arab gunmen opened fire on a bus and a group of Yeshiva students near the Bet El settlement, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and wounding three Israelis. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but HAMAS was suspected.

    Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996:
    HAMAS and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including 2 U.S. citizens.

    HAMAS Bus Attack, February 26, 1996:
    In Jerusalem, a suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

    ELN Kidnapping, February 16, 1996:
    Six alleged National Liberation Army (ELN) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Colombia. After 9 months, the hostage was released.

    Athens Embassy Attack, February 15, 1996:
    Unidentified assailants fired a rocket at the U.S. Embassy compound in Athens, causing minor damage to three diplomatic vehicles and some surrounding buildings. Circumstances of the attack suggested it was an operation carried out by the 17 November group.

    IRA Bombing, February 9, 1996:
    An Irish Republican Army (IRA) bomb detonated in London, killing 2 persons and wounding more than 100 others, including 2 U.S. citizens.

    Tamil Tigers Attack, January 31, 1996:
    Members of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) rammed an explosives-laden truck into the Central Bank in the heart of downtown Colombo, Sri Lanka, killing 90 civilians and injuring more than 1,400 others, including 2 US citizens.

    Kidnapping in Colombia, January 19, 1996:
    Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) guerrillas kidnapped a US citizen and demanded a $1 million ransom. The hostage was released on May 22.

    Saudi Military Installation Attack, November 13, 1995:
    The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one U.S. citizen, several foreign national employees of the U.S. government, and over 40 others.

    Attack on U.S. Embassy in Moscow, September 13, 1995:
    A rocket-propelled grenade was fired through the window of the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, ostensibly in retaliation for U.S. strikes on Serb positions in Bosnia.

    Jerusalem Bus Attack, August 21, 1995:
    HAMAS claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed 6 and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.

    Kashmiri Hostage-taking, July 4, 1995:
    In India six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.

    Bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995:
    Right-wing extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols destroyed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City with a massive truck bomb that killed 166 and injured hundreds more in what was up to then the largest terrorist attack on American soil.

    Attack on U.S. Diplomats in Pakistan, March 8, 1995:
    Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.

    FARC Hostage-taking, September 23, 1994:
    FARC rebels kidnapped U.S. citizen Thomas Hargrove in Colombia.

    Hebron Massacre, February 25, 1994:
    Jewish right-wing extremist and U.S. citizen Baruch Goldstein machine-gunned Moslem worshippers at a mosque in West Bank town of Hebron, killing 29 and wounding about 150.

    Attempted Assassination of President Bush by Iraqi Agents, April 14, 1993:
    The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack 2 months later on the Iraqi capital Baghdad.

    World Trade Center Bombing, February 26, 1993:
    The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists exploded in an underground garage. The bomb left 6 people dead and 1,000 injured. The men carrying out the attack were followers of Umar Abd al-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who preached in the New York City area.

    Kidnappings of U.S. Citizens in Colombia, January 31, 1993:
    Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) terrorists kidnapped three U.S. missionaries.

    • Kwa85

      So what?

      • d1stewart

        I think you mean, “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

        • Kwa85

          Do I?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.meyer.564 Richard Meyer

    Bush never blamed any attacks on Youtube videos. He didn’t make up fake reasons or deny rescue forces that were willing and able to go and help.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jess.manuel.5 Jess Manuel

      Bush accused Saddam Hussein in cahoots with Al Qaeda (FALSE)

      Bush said there were WMDs in Iraq (FALSE)

      Bush refused to send troops to Tora Bora in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden.

      Six months after 9/11, Bush said he doesn’t care much about the whereabouts of Bin Laden.

      • raykinsella

        Wrong…Bush along with Bill & Hilary Clinton among other very prominent libs had access to CIA intelligence that said WMD’s existed in Iraq, and they all agreed. Not to mention, several other foreign intelligence services had the same info. All agreed that this threat must be confronted, and being the leader and liberator of the free world, the US led the charge.

        Regarding Bin Laden, Clinton had him cornered and let him go…perhaps 9/11 would never had happened if he had acted on the opportunity!

        • Lady Willpower

          So Republicans wanted war in Iraq because Bill and Hillary thought it was a good idea? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. They’ve always taken the Clintons’ lead before.

          • d1stewart

            You’re a sloppy reader. Give it another go. He did not use the word “because,” or refer to taking the Clintons’ lead. Distorting what someone said in order to score a cheap rhetorical point doesn’t score the point and isn’t honest.

        • Kwa85

          You sorely need a lesson in history my friend. Consult any fact check site to reveal that no, Bill Clinton did not let Bin Laden go. It’s a redumblicam myth that has long been dispelled. Read Richard A. Clarke’s book “Against all enemies …” which makes this clear.

      • d1stewart

        Jess, you might want to actually approach responses to people with some clue as to what the facts are.

        Bush didn’t say Hussein was working with Al Qaeda.

        Bush said there were WMD in Iraq, and there were–though not in the profusion that previous inspections had found them, that the previous president (Clinton) said there were, that the CIA said there were, that German, French, British, and Israeli intel said there were, that the Democratic congressional leadership said there were.

        The Battle of Tora Bora

        “The Battle of Tora Bora was a military engagement that took place in Afghanistan from December 12, 2001 to December 17, 2001, during the opening stages of the War in Afghanistan launched by the United States following the September 11 attacks. The U.S. and its allies believed that Osama bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaeda, was hiding in the mountains at Tora Bora. The allied forces overran Taliban and al-Qaeda positions and heard bin Laden’s voice in intercepted radio transmissions several times, but they failed to kill or capture him. Bin Laden escaped to the Federated Tribal Areas of Pakistan.” That’s easy to find–it’s from Wikipedia. You do know you can’t have a Battle of Tora Bora without troops at Tora Bora, right? Meaning Bush didn’t refuse to send troops to Tora Bora. You have to stop once in a while before stating something you believe only because you think you heard something like it.

        Bush never said he didn’t care much about the whereabouts of Bin Laden. He cared enough to engage in the intel operation to find Bin Laden that Obama was able to capitalize on once he was in office. You should thank Bush, not make up things you wish he said but which he did not say.

        • Ron Bradley

          d1stewart sorry but you’re dead wrong on this one and I’m call you out on it Bush did really say that, how do I know? because I sat and watch his speech, when he was asked if he knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden he said (I don’t know where he is and I’m not concerned) direct qoute from him and this is a fact

          • d1stewart

            “Deep in my heart I know that he’s on the run if he’s alive at all. And, ah, who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not? We haven’t heard from him in some time. And the idea of focusing on one person is, ah, really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. And he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. Um, he’s the ultimate parasite who found a weakness, and exploited it. He is — as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide — if, in fact, he’s hiding at all. I don’t know where he is. Nor do I, you know, I just don’t spend that much time on it. Kelly, to be honest with you, I’m, I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well supplied, that the strategy is clear, that the coalition is strong, that when we that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did. Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.”

            Now, that’s a direct quotation. It gives quite a different meaning than paraphrasing him falsely and misquoting him out of context.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rmeyners Rusty Meyners

    So, because I have a few accidents on my record, the headline here would read “Four Chappaquiddicks”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mr.tapeguy Craig Berlin

    Hank, I know there are those desperate to draw an equivalency but they really aren’t the same.

    Why? Perhaps because there is a difference.

    Don’t get me wrong – almost all criticism of one side or the other is partisan. NEITHER party likes to call out its own. The key is differentiating between what is legit and what is not. Which is “more” partisan – Fox covering the story and asking legitimate questions or MSNBC ignoring it altogether, followed by claims that there is nothing to see?

    Let’s look at the facts in a nonpartisan manner, that’s what I always try to do and remember, I’ve never voted for a prominent Republican.

    Let’s give “credit” where credit is due:

    There have actually been 44 attacks in the last 52 years with the majority of the casualties being local, not American and not an Ambassador in several decades. Few embassy attacks resulting in American loss of life and most were car and or suicide bombings.

    But most importantly, NONE of the attacks came after Embassies begging for more security, or in the case of Benghazi, did not meet the lawful requirements of an Embassy outpost. NONE of the attacks resulting in 10 hours of fight by American security forces waiting on support only to have the support told to stand down right before they boarded the plan. NONE of the attacks resulted in an aftermath of mass fraud, lying and coverup beginning with removing all intelligence naming those responsible and replacing with a politically driven absurd narrative about something which had nothing to do with it.

    Out of 44 attacks only ONE.

    We have attacks on missions overseas all the time – almost yearly. DUH – people attack us. Lone gunman, car bombs, suicide attacks and sometimes even planned terrorist attacks as in Benghazi. It is not President Obama or Hilary Clinton’s fault that we were attacked. In this case it is apparently the disregard for requested security before and coverup after that is relevant. The truth matters and the motive for lying matters.

    And Gregory Hicks was an on the ground eye witness but after he was critical of the false narrative the Admin was promoting he was demoted to a desk job. The Accountability Review Board didn’t talk to anyone directly involved and didn’t talk to Hilary Clinton AT ALL. What kind of investigation is that??

    The outrage is because they were told that they needed more security…the crime is that they then attempted to cover it up with the election looming. The hypocrisy is most of the major news outlets ignored the hearing about four Americans dying unlike when some bumbling burglars break into the Watergate hotel. Hell, during the last Benghazi hearings MSNBC gave more coverage to the anniversary of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.

    There is not ONE credible source of intel that told the state dept. or the administration that these attacks were incited by a video. Not ONE.

    Do you think it’s OK that they mislead the American people?

    • http://www.facebook.com/richard.meyer.564 Richard Meyer

      Excellent post.

    • i_a_c

      Not a single one of your all-caps NONEs has a basis in reality, because nobody cared enough about any other attack to hold endless hearings on it and find out. We have no idea if any of them asked for more security or were understaffed (and, granted, the Benghazi compound was).

      And if there was a cover-up, could someone give me a political motive? I mean, the facts came out in a week, and the president was reelected anyway, so it must not have been so important to the election after all. As far as I have read, there were also legitimate issues with need-to-know and ongoing investigations/operations taking place.

      And yes, I know about the inter-departmental debate over the talking points and what happened at the State Department. I’m not terribly stunned by their territorial behavior, either.

      • raykinsella

        In fortunately for you, Obama was still trumpeting the video a full 2 weeks after the attack when he addressed the United Nations. Did he really think anyone believed that? I guess you did! It’s not even a question as to whether there was a cover up. It now time to discover the who, what, when and why.

        Here’s a thought….perhaps the attack highlighted Obama’s foreign policy failures. Egypt was under the radical Muslim Brotherhood, a vacuum in Libya was allowing further proliferation of Muslim radicals. And the attack contradicted Obama’s message that Al Qaeda was “on th run”. If all that was illuminated less than 2 months before the election?? Who knows? Maybe we would be arguing about President Romney!

        • Kwa85

          Thank you for your opinion, misguided and misdirected as it is my friend. And pray tell me, in your opinion what was actually “covered up” again and what would have been different if what you allege was “covered up” was in fact “covered up”?

        • i_a_c

          The video did cause protests and violence, particularly in Cairo where protesters tried to scale the walls of the embassy. Nowhere in that speech to the UN did the president attribute the attack on Benghazi to the video. And, may I remind you, the Benghazi compound was not an embassy.

          There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There is no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan.

          All of those facts did come out. And the president was reelected. Too bad for you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/angel.brom Angel Cagle

            Too bad for us all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brianfkirk Brian Kirk

    The difference is the Bush administration didn’t blame an unrelated YouTube video. They weren’t afraid to call a man-made catastrophe terrorism. The criticism about Benghazi isn’t so much that it happened. It was that a.) the admin didn’t send help b.) the admin denied it was terror

    • Lady Willpower

      “They weren’t afraid to call a man-made catastrophe terrorism.”

      So calling it an “act of terror” the next day doesn’t count? Or are you guys still pretending that didn’t happen?

      • Kwa85

        And O repeated this again on 9/13 at a speech in Colorado and again in Nevada on 9/14;

        “As for the ones we lost last night: I want to assure you, we will bring their killers to justice,” Obama said at a campaign event in Nevada. “And we want to send a message all around the world — anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America.”

        • raykinsella

          I hate to be lazy and repost my previous comment, but sometimes people just needed it repeated before it sinks in…so here goes;

          Sorry…you might think its the same, but semantics matter, especially I politics. Speaking broadly of “acts of terror” is not the same as saying “4 Americans including an Ambassador, were murdered in an Al Qaeda related attack”. That, my friend, is how you state the facts! To say otherwise, is purposefully ambiguous and deceitful

          • Kwa85

            Unfortunately for you and your misguided superiority complex my friend, your opinion is not a fact. However please feel free to consult the fact checker site Politifact under the heading “Romney said it took Obama 14 days to call Benghazi an act of terror” for the real facts. This will adjudicate the political spin which is both yours and mine my friend.

      • Overwhelmingryan

        Conservatives have never been very concerned with reality.

        • raykinsella

          We are not concerned with it because we live in it! What we’re concerned about is preserving the freedoms and opportunies for the future!

          • Overwhelmingryan

            I’m fatally allergic to empty rhetoric.

          • Lady Willpower

            FREEDOM!

          • d1stewart

            Autoimmune problem, eh?

          • raykinsella

            If that’s all it takes to wash our shores clean of the self serving, feel good liberal policies and their brainwashed supporters….I’ll happily sacrifice myself for all the freedom loving capitalists and spew patriotic rhetoric at you till you’re peacefully at rest!

          • Kwa85

            Yes. Please. Sacrifice yourself.

      • http://www.facebook.com/richard.meyer.564 Richard Meyer

        They did not call it an act of terror the next day. Obama referred ellipitically to “acts of terror” in the same speech as mentioning Benghazi.

        • Lady Willpower

          “So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished.”

          So he talks about Benghazi and says how we won’t be cowed by acts of terror, but he wasn’t referring to Benghazi? How can you even stand saying something so ridiculous?

          Whatever gets you through the night, dude.

          • raykinsella

            Sorry…you might think its the same, but semantics matter, especially I politics. Speaking broadly of “acts of terror” is not the same as saying “4 Americans including an Ambassador, were murdered in an Al Qaeda related attack”. That, my friend, is how you state the facts! To say otherwise, is purposefully ambiguous and deceitful.

          • Kwa85

            Your opinion of how to state facts is is not a fact my friend. Especially so in the art of politics.

      • http://www.facebook.com/angel.brom Angel Cagle

        He made a reference to terror, but not once did he call it an act of terror. Big difference. Liberals are the ones who don’t concern themselves with reality.

        • Lady Willpower

          I bet you’re the kind of whiner who made fun of Bill Clinton parsing the meaning of the word “is” aren’t you?
          And yet here you are, parsing the absolute fuck out of a very clear statement from the president.
          Spinning bullshit into gold for your own political purposes. Yawn.

  • FifthGenHoustonian

    Mr. Cesca, for a party that preaches tolerance, your language and absolute disgust at people with ‘other’ views is shameful and hypocritical. To choose journalism as a profession and result to being just another angry blogger is the worst condemnation you could have done. Prayers to your family.

    • jewelbomb

      What’s wrong with showing a little disgust towards people with disgusting views? Seems pretty logical.

    • Lady Willpower

      Go pray with your own family, and get off the internet if you can’t handle it.

  • Chris Cornelius

    Dear right wingers just because you can’t win an election with votes. You have to resort to other ways of eliminating your competitors. Where was you’re outrage when 13 times the embassies were attacked and a lot of Americans were killed. Nice try but if you have nothing positive to contribute don’t bother.

  • PeteRFNY

    This is ‘how to write an article like an idiot’ 101. If you want to compare apples to oranges to play a moronic game of “gotcha” go ahead. Every one of the attacks listed above happened without warning or any time for a help request to be sent. There were hours between the initial attack and the eventual mortar attack that ended with lives being lost. There was enough time for some form of help to be sent – except orders were sent to stand down (from the tooth fairy, I guess) – then people tripped over themselves to cover up what happened and why.

    So you can keep trying to deflect this mess by connecting un-connectable dots or calling it a witch hunt, but at the very least stop being disingenuous: if something like THIS had happened under Bush’s watch (not the surprise attacks listed in the article) dogmatic wonks like Bob Cesca would have been screaming bloody murder.

    • villemar

      Impeach or STFU.

      • raykinsella

        No…that’s too easy. We’re gonna make you suffer by slowly exposing the lies and incompetence of Obama, Hilary and their charges. This purification may free you from the enslavement and ignorance perpetrated onto you by the “well meaning”, but self serving liberal agenda.

    • Lady Willpower

      “…if something like THIS had happened under Bush’s watch”

      Something like, oh I don’t know, 9/11 maybe? I know Dick Cheney likes to pretend that one didn’t happen, but I can assure you it did.

      • raykinsella

        There was a rather lengthy investigation into the 9/11 attacks…you can even buy the book! Did you somehow not hear about it…most everyone else on he world did. Perhaps you’re waiting for it to be delivered with your welfare check, food stamps, disability check and DNC membership card.

        • Lady Willpower

          Go fuck yourself, racist.

          • raykinsella

            Finally…the last liberal refuge, I’m a racist…it would be almost funny if it wasn’t so sad. Like racism, and the accusation of, is only more evidence of your ignorance. For this, I’m sad for you. But please know…help and enlightenment is readily available!

          • Lady Willpower

            I never called you a name until you accused me of being on welfare and food stamps. Don’t pretend you’re all decent and respectful.

          • raykinsella

            I apologize…it was a break from proper decorum.

          • Kwa85

            No, it just shows the facade is indeed a facade.

          • Gib74

            Yup, ‘tolerance’….

          • Lady Willpower

            Oh please with your concern trolling shit. This creep accused me of being on welfare and food stamps, only because I’m black. I don’t have to be tolerant of bigots.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jess.manuel.5 Jess Manuel

          Indeed, there was an investigation into the 9/11 attacks. And they found out that the Bush Administration ignore all the warnings that Osama Bin Laden is going to attack the U.S.

          • Lady Willpower

            Shhh, they’re still trying to blame Bill Clinton for it.

        • Kwa85

          Lol you just shot yourself in the foot. Go read Richard A Clarke’s book “Against all enemies …” which eviscerated Bush and his mate Cheney.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Jones/1039564193 Douglas Jones

      This line of attacking the Administration makes me furious. It is despicable and anti-American. What could the dark motivation possibly be for the Administration or its Agencies to not send military help to Bengazi if it was possible to do so in a timely manner and if doing so did not endanger other personnel?

      Oh, that’s right, I forgot, Obama secretly worships Islam and hates America. What other reason could there be? Right, bigot?

      Do you have proof that the many dozens of attempted and successful killings of Americans in recent decades were all complete “surprise attacks” with zero intelligence suggesting the possibility of an attack? No, you absolutely don’t, so that’s a lie.

      When 241 (!!!) Marines were killed in the barracks bombing in Lebanon under Reagan’s watch, did the Democrats rake the President and his agencies over the coals for nearly a year? Not as I recall. See, back then, Americans saw incidents like these as ones where we shared the responsibility and the grief. We didn’t see the need to turn the tragedy into a prolonged, craven, explicitly divisive political attack.

      • d1stewart

        Oddly, the only person to make the claim that there could be no other reason but that Obama worships Islam and hates America is you. Everyone you’re responding to has given substantive reasons that are not the only reasons you can imagine, and for which you call someone who said nothing bigoted, “bigot.”

        Unless you’re aware of Reagan intentionally failing to do what could be done immediately during the Lebanon barracks bombing and its aftermath, fabricating a cause for the bombing, lying to the public about it, and politically attacking those who disputed and refuted the president’s lies–and you’re not aware of those things, because they didn’t happen and Reagan didn’t do it–you’ve failed utterly in your comparison. But then your point is only to indulge in your hate and to justify the unjustifiable. That is craven and explicitly divisive.

      • PeteRFNY

        Funny – I don’t recall there being hours between the truck driving up to the Marine barracks and the bomb going off where the Marines had time to scramble into action first (they would not have needed to call for backup). If you guys want to keep making loose comparisons, connecting dots that do not connect and playing race baiting games to deflect the utter incompetence and malfeasance of this administration, go ahead. But you can’t make the sky green just because you say it is. That’s not how reality works.

  • XLancer

    (DIABOLICAL JOURNALISM)

  • http://twitter.com/JTShroyer JT Shroyer

    The main reason Republicans are politicizing Benghazi is because that is the only thing they can use against Hillary Clinton. But let us remember:
    1. More people died from Embassy attacks during Bush’s Administration
    2. The non-partisan Accountability Review Board did *NOT* find Hillary responsible for what happened in Benghazi
    3. We have had a total of 20 Accountability Review Boards throughout our history because security overseas is never 100%
    4. Hillary implemented all of the recommendations the Accountability Review Board set forth
    5. The biggest security failure, 9/11, happened under a Republican Administration
    6.Republicans cut millions in funding for “EMBASSY SECURITY”
    The bottom line is: those who decide to pursue careers in diplomatic work know the risks. Obviously we try to do everything we can to make sure our Embassies are secure, but Embassy security is NEVER 100%.
    Hillary Clinton was not found responsible for the Benghazi attacks according to the non-partasian Accountability Review Board, and she implemented all of their recommendations. This is not the first, nor the last, Embassy attack that will result in the death of American lives. Remember — we had more people die in Embassy attacks during Bush’s Administration.
    It’s truly sickening that Republicans are playing politics with a tragedy like this. They must really be scared of Hillary in 2016.

    • raykinsella

      The Accountability Review Board didn’t even interview Hilary or any survivors of the attack! Of course they didn’t need to, their report was basically written for them by the administration. Now that’s some streamlined government in action! Who cares if its not exactly truthful??

      • Kwa85

        That is good Republican spin but unfortunately for you it is not true. You need to update yourself on what Pickering and Mullen (both good Republicans, one a retired ambassador and the other a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) are currently saying refuting the latest spin from Issa’s waste of time efforts to uncover a “cover up” that doesn’t exist.

      • Kwa85

        Also, did you actually read the report? It is harshly critical of the State Department (but then again, you would have noticed this if you had in fact read it).

  • oldfox

    The “alleged whistleblower” was the DCM, Deputy Chief of Mission, the highest professional, non-politically appointed Foreign Service Officer. I seem to remember Mr. Chalabi and “CurveBall” bamboozling the Bush Admin. pretty badly, so bad that you lot called Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell liars for months, but our guys owned up to it. They didn’t send out an out-of-the-loop woman on a fool’s errand to repeat a totally fabricated story five times to cover up that they were bamboozled by a tiny cell of flea-bitten camel jockeys without so much as a GED diploma!

    • jewelbomb

      ” flea-bitten camel jockeys”…really, you old fuck? Is that how you think? The world will be a much better place once bigots like you die off once and for all.

  • Rujax

    All this is is the “OMG We’ve Got To Stop Hillary Somehow Dog and Pony Show” led by the car thief Darrell Issa. Couldn’t you guys get a more credible “sleuth”??? HEY!!! Maybe Sanford will do it!!! That’ll be better. Yes, it will.

  • http://twitter.com/JTShroyer JT Shroyer

    The reason Republicans are politicizing Benghazi is because that is the only thing they can use against Hillary Clinton. But let us remember:
    1. More Americans died from Embassy attacks during Bush’s Administration
    2. The non-partisan Accountability Review Board did NOT find Hillary responsible for what happened in Benghazi
    3. We have had numerous Accountability Review Boards throughout our history because security overseas is never 100%
    4. Hillary implemented all of the recommendations the Accountability Review Board set forth
    5. The biggest security failure, 9/11, happened under a Republican Administration
    6. Republicans cut millions in funding for “EMBASSY SECURITY”
    The bottom line is: those who decide to pursue careers in diplomatic work know the risks. Obviously we try to do everything we can to make sure our Embassy’s are secure, but Embassy security is NEVER 100%.
    Hillary Clinton was not found responsible for the Benghazi attacks according to the non-partasian Accountability Review Board, and she implemented all of their recommendations. This is not the first, nor the last, Embassy attack that will result in the death of American lives. Remember — we had more Americans die in Embassy attacks during Bush’s Administration.
    It’s truly sickening that Republicans are playing politics with a tragedy like this. They must really be scared of Hillary in 2016.

  • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

    The difference is lying about the REAL reasons for the attacks and denying help when it was requested several times and readily available, but thanks for playing anyway.

    • David Morales

      Just like when Bush was warned about Osama? We don’t need reasons about why we were attack. Why was the help denied? Play with yourself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1102699074 Gregory Pennington

      Another clown who didn’t read the article or understand what he read.

      • Lady Willpower

        Finga’s a dedicated racist, so don’t bother engaging.

  • lburkefiles

    I do not fault either administration for the attacks. The attacks have and will continue to occur no matter who is in power. What troubles me is the spin that both parties thought necessary. The democrats trying a bad dance to minimize administration blame and only succeeding in making it worse or the republicans whipping this up to a fever pitch. Too many lessons that could be learned will be lost with this continued level of bi-partisan BS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Noelle-Westenberger/1751450948 Noelle Westenberger

    Of all these how many of them asked for help beforehand, and how many if any did Bush get a call he ignored, most important how many did he lie about saying they were caused because of something like a video on YouTube?

    • Lady Willpower

      I see. Unless somebody mentions a (possible) YouTube connection it doesn’t count.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      Honey, Bush ignored the warnings prior to 9/11. Obama has ignored exactly nothing.

      THAT is the “call” that BUSH received, and ignored.

  • Tell the Whole Story

    You are missing the whole point. There are several different layers that the USA went off the rails over Benghazi. 1.Special ops in Tripoli were on there way out the door to backup those in Benghazi and were told to “stand down”. WHY?? 2. From the night of the attack it was a known terrorist attack yet they changed or deleted the terrorist fact in the talking points given to Susan Rice. They knew it wasn’t a stupid YouTube video yet they kept saying it was for weeks!! WHY?? 3. The security forces were reduced from 19 to 4 in Aug. after the English Ambassador was attacked while in traffic and our guys rescued him! England pulled their people out of Libya as did the Red Cross due to it being too dangerous. WHY? Why was our security reduced against the Security Chief in Libya’s advisement!! WHY?? We have been attacked by al-Qaida and their ilk over and over in the past as in the 13 events you mention. They hate us, but in those cases it was not a NINE HOUR gun and mortar fight. Do you want the truth or what??

    • villemar

      Impeach or STFU.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1102699074 Gregory Pennington

      So you want to send 4 SPEC OPS who were not ready for combat into a situation were we had no accurate intel? Yea and what would you and the clowns be saying today when it end like Black Hawk Down? And it was not known to be a terror attack. All over the Middle East they were protesting the video.

  • Lady Willpower

    Wow, somebody really lit the Wingnut Bat-Signal yesterday, didn’t they?

    And still, not a one of these fools can answer the simple question:
    Why didn’t FOX NEWS care about any of these other attacks?

    • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

      The difference is lying about the REAL reasons for the attacks and
      denying help when it was requested several times and readily available,
      but thanks for being an uninformed voter anyway.

      • jewelbomb

        It was a developing situation. The facts of the story came out a week later and you knowing “the real” cause at the moment it was happening would have changed nothing. There is no credible evidence that anyone was denied help during the attack despite what Shawn Hannity may be telling you. At most the Obama administration is guilty of bad messaging immediately after the events. BIG. FUCKING.DEAL.

      • Lady Willpower

        Being wrong about something is not the same as lying.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brett-Greshko/1678181441 Brett Greshko

    The problem with this article is that simply stating attacks on embassies or consulates does not constitute it being on the same level with the Benghazi attacks. The problem with Benghazi was not that the consulate was attacked. The problem was the administrations reaction to the attacks (or lack thereof), and the subsequent attempt to portray it as a protest in reaction to a you-tube video rather than a coordinated attack of terrorism, as well as misleading about it during the presidential debates.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brett-Greshko/1678181441 Brett Greshko

      And lets not just blame FOX for not covering these stories. The truth is that neither MSNBC or any other media outlet covered them with blame pointing on the Bush administration. As someone who was very anti-Bush, I know full well that the media would never have missed a chance to lambast him if the opportunity was there. These attacks were simply not relevant to how an administration handles them.

  • rob black

    Holy crap! Smells like somebody left the link door open at Huffpo and herd? surfeit? of commenting skunks invaded this place…..
    Shew skunks! Back to World Net Daily..or Drudge with you….

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      Bob posted this piece on Huffpo today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rebeccaraydooley Rebecca Ray Dooley

    Just an interesting observation: The liberal voices here can’t seem to form a comment without some sort of expletive and temper tantrum-esk rant in their posts.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      “interesting”? Are the lies and expletives, and temper “tantrum-esk rant” coming from the wingnuts on this thread also “interesting”?

      I thought not.

      Checked out your FB page. An anti-choicer is what you are. And you, Rebecca-Dooley-the-concern-troll, are not at all interesting.

    • jewelbomb

      Fuck. Just fuck.

    • http://twitter.com/MrsSheaWong shea wong

      Concern troll is concerned.

  • Anonymous

    You’re an idiot. None of these attacks followed repeated warnings from within the intelligence community, not one at an embassy that had begged for more security and been told to eat cake, almost none of them involved US citizen casualties, and not a single one was immediately followed by a disgusting election-year cover-up as the president and his administration knowingly and repeatedly lied about the events. It’s sadly unsurprising that these glaring differences would be lost on another Obamazombie.

    • i_a_c

      We don’t know whether there were repeated warnings or requests for security during any of the other attacks because nobody cared enough to ask. The only reason we know anything about security at the Benghazi compound was because it received so much scrutiny in the first place.

      And your “cover-up” lasted all of a week. It must not have been so vital to the election after all.

    • Lady Willpower

      “None of these attacks followed repeated warnings from within the intelligence community…”

      This comment was written by someone from an alternate universe, one where 9/11 never happened.

  • missingleader

    Bush was not a braniac, but Obama is a court jester at best.

    • Lady Willpower

      Yeah, they’ll let just about anyone become a professor at Harvard these days.

      • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

        Same way they’ll give just about anybody a Nobel Peace Prize these days.

        • Lady Willpower

          Weak.

  • Driver996

    I believe you are posting propaganda.

    Only ONE of the actions represented in the article took place inside a US Embassy or Consulate. That would be May 12, 2003. Every other instance took place outside the compound. No security breach. None, save the Riyadh attack, and then, immediate hostage rescue too place.

    • i_a_c

      What’s the point of this distinction?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

        The difference between Benghazi and these attacks are threefold. This issue hasn’t gained traction because the attack happened but for other reasons.

        1) The repeated requests for increased security from the Ambassador to the DoS that were turned down.

        2) The fact that this was not a quick drive by attack with gunmen or truck bomb which is very hard to prevent in a foreign country that is not overtly friendly with the US. The Benghazi attack lasted throughout the night and the questions are:
        Were there adequate quick response forces for a situation like this, and were said teams called to react or not and why or why not?
        Who was in overall command, is the command structure working, was it a personnel failure and who was it?
        Is response protocol adequate and if not, whose fault is that?

        Point I am trying to make here is that the other attacks were similar to that you are gardening in your front lawn and someone drives by real fast and unloads for 20 seconds and then drives away. The Benghazi attack was more of a case you were in the house and the bad guys show and start gunfight. You call for the police and the police don’t show up until two hours later while the gun battle is going on for those two hours.

        3) It appears that the President and his administration either were not sure of the reason for the attack or had substantial evidence that it was a planned terrorist attack and then tried to either mislead or downplay the terrorist element and let people believe it was caused by a random protest in reaction to a poorly made YouTube video.

        Terrorist attacks will happen, especially in foreign countries with elements of the population very hostile to the US. I don’t blame Obama for the attack happening on his watch. I do want to know if it could have been prevented, why increased security requests were turned down, whether a quick action force was in a position to respond and if so, why did it not, and also, even in the scenario that they have no idea if it was a planned terrorist attack or not, and why did his Admin try to make it seem like the Benghazi attack was related to the Egyptian protests based on the YouTube video.

        • i_a_c

          None of the above listed incidents got one-tenth of the scrutiny that Benghazi has gotten. Nobody asked about the security protocols in place, nobody asked about whether the attack was preventable, nobody asked for a minute-by-minute timeline of events, etc. There is no way to tell whether the Benghazi attack was any more or less predictable than any of the attacks listed above because nobody cared enough to ask. The only reason we know four-fifths of the Benghazi story is because it received so much scrutiny in the first place, before anyone knew about the CIA talking points or the tick-tock. Nobody cared about the other four-fifths of the story in any of the other events.

          As I said below, I grant the bad judgment in security prior to the attacks. It seems as if mistakes were made, and hopefully it’s handled more judiciously in the future. I very much doubt the situation was as simple as “send in military right away.” They had practically no idea what they would be getting into, and diving in head first would have been incredibly risky at the very least. I don’t know why the CIA talking points were wrong, and frankly, I don’t care–the story is well known by now. Whatever mistakes or errors or otherwise that led to the story about the video and the Cairo protests lasted all of a week. My guess is that the CIA is not going to tell anybody why they made the determinations they did.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

            Honestly, I think this issue wouldn’t have received so much attention if the Admin hadn’t tried to downplay the terrorist element or try to advance the video narrative. I would have preferred Obama go into the Rose Garden and say we do not know whether this was a separate, planned terror attack or if this is related to the protests throughout several Mideast cities in response to a private video.

          • i_a_c

            Could be. It left a lot of egg on Susan Rice’s face. I suspect we’ll never know the reason why the talking points were what they were. Not because of some cover-up, but because a lot of the stuff going on at the Benghazi compound was highly classified, and of course the CIA is not going to go into great detail about intelligence gathering. If I had to make one guess as to why the information about al-Qaeda may have been withheld on purpose (for practical reasons), it would be that there was some kind of ongoing operation or investigation, and they didn’t want to tip anybody off. Don’t know; all we can do is speculate. As far as I’m concerned, the story was straightened out relatively quickly and I don’t much care why it wasn’t straight in the first place.

          • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

            Using the actual facts could potentially have sunk Obama’s chances in he 2012 election. As it was, pushing the bogus story embarrassed the president of Libya, who publicly related the actual fact that it was pre-planned. Which in turn made him distrustful of the proven untrustworthy Obama administration, and he wouldn’t let investigators in the country for a couple of weeks. Which, in turn, created a lot of space between the people that are responsible for the attack and the investigators.

          • i_a_c

            Using the actual facts could potentially have sunk Obama’s chances in he 2012 election.

            Yeah, because when the facts came out a week later, Romney totally trounced Obama. *eyeroll*

          • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

            And nobody deliberately tried to cover up the real reason for the attacks. They weren’t “mistakes” or “errors”. It was a willful attempt to mischaracterize the attack as spontaneous and unrelated to Obama’s entirely failed middle east policy for purely political reasons.

            “They had practically no idea what they would be getting into, and diving in head first would have been incredibly risky at the very least.”

            And we wouldn’t want our military to take any risks while trying to save American lives, right?

          • i_a_c

            Bullshit. The story about a video-provoked attack was in the CIA talking points from the very first version. And you’re going to need to provide actual evidence that it was done for political reasons or you’re just dabbling in conspiracy theories.

            And yeah, just send the military into God-knows-what with no plan and risk even more American lives. The hell is wrong with you?

      • Driver996

        Because the article says: “The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they’re being treated that way by Republican…:” in reference to the state department security in place at the embassies when only one of the mentioned actions breached the security perimeter. There is no comparison except that the attackers were ‘extremists’.

        • i_a_c

          The other comparison, of course, is that US diplomatic assets were attacked, and people died. Even under your narrow circumstances, you already said that one of these attacks constituted a security breach. Each event is unique as to the specific series of events, but as far the outcome is concerned (dead people), it’s a distinction without a difference. I fail to understand why distinguishing between whether security was breached or not is relevant to the conversation.

  • jp

    Can you honestly not discern the difference between attacks against American consulates/interests like those discussed in this article which occurred “on Bush’s watch” and the attack in Benghazi in September 2011? I defy you to find one example of an attack on a US consulate or related entity where consulate staff had repeatedly requested additional security resources (which said requests were denied) prior to the attack; where there had been repeated warnings from the host nation, our own intelligence services, and other foreign nations of significant terrorist activity in city of the consulate; where a 12 hour battle occurred during which time military assets in the area were not called upon; where four special operations troops in a city nearby were told to “stand down” and not get on a plane headed to the site of the attack despite the fact that at the time, no one knew how long the battle would continue; where the consulate is literally destroyed; where an ambassador is killed; where post attack the CIA’s talking points (specifically indicating a belief that the attack was the result of coordinated campaign by Islamic fundamentalist sympathizers) were deliberately revised to be completely devoid of any reference to Islamic fundamentalists or a terror attack; where said talking points were than revised to maintain that the motivation of the attack was an event for which there was no (and still is no) corroborating evidence; where the Ambassador to the UN embarks on a deliberate campaign (reiterated by the Secretary of State AND the POTUS himself for weeks) to advise the entire world that the attack was the result of a “spontaneous protest” based on some stupid internet video when all the evidence at that time literally suggested the exact opposite; where said mistruth may have had the effect of disenfranchising the host nation to the extent that they prevent the FBI from entering the country for 18 days while the crime scene remained unsecured; and where the investigation of the handling of the incident failed to interview the number two guy (Mr. Hicks in addition to several other key personnel on the ground that night who consistently voiced a desire to be heard and interviewed) in Libya the night of the attack and the SEC State; and where a presidential election was less than two months away….. This article is so misleading. the issue is not, as you suggest, about security of embassies and consulates in foreign nations, and about whether mccain, graham, or any other republican you loath intiatied an investiation…… i’m sure regardless of party line, that we can all agree that as long as we maintain consultates and embassies in volatile areas, and as long as fundamentalist islamic terrorists don’t like us, fertilzer bombs and suicide bombers will be deployed against us…. what you entirely fail to address in your article, and what exists today as the major objection to this whole situation by those who are not utterly blinded by party line and politics, is the pre-attack warnings, and the post-attack coverup. resources are scarce, mistakes are made – that i think Americans can digest… revising the truth and perpetuating a fraud on the american people in an election season is an unthinkable offense of our government…Anyone who cannot discern the difference between the attacks listed in this article and Benghazi, pre and post attack, is trying not to. and if there are examples of similar frauds pushed on the american people by a republican administration, i’ll do what so many in congress, those in the national media, and apparently you, are seemingly incapable of doing – break with party line and renounce them too. this has nothing to do with politics. it has everything to do with a government substituting its political ambition for the truth – whether they are democrats, republicans, independents, or otherwise.

    • villemar

      Impeach or STFU.

      • jp

        um, what? let me get this straight, “a” writes poorly reasoned article attempting to link previous consulate attacks to abortion that is Benghazi; “b” points out false argument; you tell “b” to either impeach POTUS or shut the f*** up. Brilliant – your idea of informed debate? is “impeach or STFU” your response to anyone who disagrees with your view point? In other words, don’t express my opinion on a website designed to faciliate the discussion of opinions unless i’m prepared to impeach the president? i can see your logic there. very mature and reasoned. Are you the author of the article?

        • villemar

          Nope I don’t have that honor. What I’m saying is, instead of whining on a blog, pressure your Congressperson to begin Impeachment hearings immediately.

          • jp

            how do you deduce “whining” from correcting poor logic in an article and expressing an opinion. do you know what the word “whine” means? and why is impeachment my only recourse? do you drink a lot of kool-aid?

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            Don’t bother. We don’t do asshat games with the intellectually challenged among us, which of course, would have to include all right wing thugs and creeps and, well, ALL of you, in essence.

          • villemar

            Wait, let’s see. OK I came up with some other options for you:
            1) Kill yourself
            2) Move to another country.
            You’re welcome.

          • jp

            it is comical how quickly your logic devolves. i suppose when you lack substance and intellect and cannot offer even one rebuttal/critique to anything substantive i have said, it’s not a far fall. good luck tying your shoes tomorrow. Be sure to tell the laces to kill themself should you encounter any problems.

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          Another concern troll/fucking asshat idiot presuming…….

          FUCK OFF.

          • jp

            Your post is not a sentence. I do not understand the sentiment you are attempting to convey. have you seen Robin Hood: Men in Tights? “King illegal forest to pig wild kill in it a is!” You are an icon for irrationality. How about you try crafting a reasoned response to my original post? …. oh, excuse me, let me put that to you in a format you understand: Try you crafting my post original reasoned how a response original to?

          • jewelbomb

            A clear sign of a brilliant, reasoned thinker is his or her familiarity with the brilliant philosopher Mel Brooks.

          • jp

            I am glad we can agree. cheers.

    • i_a_c

      The only legitimate complaint here is about the security protocol before the attack. It seems that mistakes and errors in judgment were made. Got that. Hopefully we’ll be better prepared next time.

      As far as military forces responding to the attack, surely the chain of command is smart enough not to jump in headfirst into a situation where they have little idea what’s going on, with the possibility of a honeypot trap where US forces arrive and are hit by a second wave of attacks. After the initial attacks, the survivors were evacuated from the building in 90 minutes. By that point, there was little need to risk additional lives.

      The CIA talking points were wrong. For what reason is unknown, but it really doesn’t matter much to me why. The accusations of a coverup during an election season are blown up by the fact that the official story was revised in a week, in the same election season, of course. If it was a coverup, it was a really pathetic coverup. Any hypothetical political motive for a coverup must not have been that great since the facts came to light relatively quickly.

  • Millie Funk

    You all are missing the point…so Bush did it too…that makes it right? Jesus, it’s time we stop identifying ourselves as democratic and republican and start seeing ourselves ALL as Americans and hold ALL our politicians accountable for their lies to us. As an American diplomat this effects my family more than it does most of yours on here so let me tell you something. I don’t give a f**k who is to blame…I just don’t want it to happen again. Currently we are a very hated nation (unjustly so in my book), when people on the ground in these countries ask for more security and some jackass in Washington denies that request, you are putting our lives and our family’s lives at risk. Quit the politicking and start fixing what is wrong here!

  • Jim

    Are you serious read what you wrote all of these incidents are correctly portrayed and were properly characterized at the time which is why they did not raise concern, amazing how well honesty works. Now fast forward, Obama blows it in Libya, Egypt, and Syria then tries to hide a terrorist attack by claiming it was a demonstration for political gain. Its very possible his or his underlings will face criminal charges.

  • http://twitter.com/Doc1958 Doc1958

    post this article all over the internet fight fire …..WITH WATER!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1350960010 Ryan Schneer

    Translation: Bush got away with it so we should be allowed to get away with it too. No talk of morality and accountability, just politics, i.e. whats wrong with our political system.

    • jewelbomb

      Your lack of reading comprehension is what’s wrong with the political system, you dope.

    • KatieAnnieOakley

      It isn’t about “getting away with it” – it’s about SELECTIVE persecution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

        Pfft, did Bush try to blame any attack on something that had nothing to do with it? Because that’s exactly what Obama did.

        • jewelbomb

          Bush didn’t have to blame anything on anyone because no one cared about these attacks when they happened. They were barely a blip on the international news. Apparently attacks on US interests in foreign countries are only noteworthy when the President is a Democrat.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1350960010 Ryan Schneer

        Persecution, i.e. holding the other party accountable when it f-‘s up. Sounds like fair game to me. Just cause the dems didn’t do it doesn’t make it wrong

  • http://twitter.com/Doc1958 Doc1958

    I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALOng….hello!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/pjcostello Paul Costello

    Being attacked, and even losing people in those attacks, is not in itself the fault or a President. The COVER-UP is the issue, as it was for both Clinton and Nixon — it’s the LYING and the covering-up that are unforgivable, not the mistakes in either action or judgment. We Americans will forgive nearly any honest screw-ups, but don’t LIE to us to our faces, don’t cover up (and have others cover up) mistakes, and don’t act holier-than-thou when you’re caught. MAN UP and OWN IT, and we can all move on. I know, I know — liberals just don’t do that.

    • jewelbomb

      What cover up?

      • http://twitter.com/pjcostello Paul Costello

        That’s the most intelligent response you can make? Seriously? “Duh, what cover up?” Stay out of the gene pool, OK? Thanks for playing.

        • jewelbomb

          So, erm, what cover up are you referring to?

          • Lady Willpower

            Durrrr, Sean Hannity told him there was one.
            After 9 hearings, we still haven’t heard what it is.

          • http://www.facebook.com/funkyfinga Finga AllDay

            You know, the part where they knew it was a pre-planned terrorist attack and tried to make it out to be a spontaneous protest thing? Yeah, that coverup.

        • SlapFat

          In all honestly I don’t understand the “cover up” you’re referring to. It was an embassy attack that occurred and was acknowledged.

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.terry.925 Benjamin Terry

    You forgot to mention that there was no cover-up on these crimes..The president of the united states did not ever tell anyone “to stand down” and allowed all the people mentioned to be killed… And you also forgot to mention that the whole congress and the senate agreed to go to war in Iraq not just george bush, graham, and fox news…what a joke, Dont worry you liberals have pretty much wiped out in 5 years what it has taken great men with great minds to accomplish in over 200 years…

    • Lady Willpower

      Yup, like that awesome economy we inherited.

      • guest

        “Quick, we screwed something up! Surely we shouldn’t be held accountable for things. Blame Bush!”

        • Lady Willpower

          Really. So the economy Obama inherited doesn’t fall under Bush’s purview? It was doing just fine, then suddenly tanked on Jan. 20th, 2009?
          Now who’s not taking accountability?

          Newsflash: It’s OK to blame Bush when he’s the one who fucked EVERYTHING up.

  • GlockG22shoots40s

    How many of these were 7-8 hour fire fights with military less than an hour away?

  • http://twitter.com/Marsh626 Mercutio Lives

    That you care about protecting Hillary Clinton’s possible future presidential run and the current Obama regime than finding out what really happened at that embassy speaks volumes about the ruthless depravity that’s become central to left-wing activism in America.

  • kfreed

    Somebody should check to see what the baggers have got on the back burner. They’re trying awfully hard to distract us from something.

  • stationary transient

    same old game, different faces. Rep vs. Dems? … no, its Oligarchs vs Interests. Now mind you I don’t mind an oligarchy, but we should have a safety net for the poor and dwindling middle class. Unfortunately the rich guy who has 99 pieces of the pizza has told the poor and middle class that “he’s looking at your piece of the pizza” and unfortunately most of us have bought it. Yes thats a generalization. It still true. So we get caught up in fighting about ideology and we forget about running the country, it doesn’t stop when you vote. You have to ride herd on people over and over till they do it right.

    • SteveDK

      Off topic.

  • dumblibisdumb

    Was there even any research done before posting this ignorant piece of garbage misinformation? You compare the death of four Americans, including an Ambassador, to what happened at Karachi(And all of the other incidents listed for that)? You my friend need to take a logic class because you really seem to lack it. First off, Bush is completely irrelevant to this whole incident but you idiotic liberals continue to make fools of yourselves by mentioning him in your argument. This is a common logical fallacy known as “ad hominem” (translated to “to the man” or better known as a personal attack) where instead of being somewhat intellectual and demonstrating a sound argument, you instead decide to attack Bush because of the inability to realize no part of your argument is valid.

    Funny part is, even if your comparison to Bush were at all parallel to the Benghazi incident, it would still not make a difference!
    For example: Theoretically, let’s say years back the Bush administration was in the same situation as the Obama administration during this and decided to be deceitful and unprofessional about the deaths of Americans. But they actually got away with it (like the Obama admin is trying to do). So now you are trying to ague that Obama didn’t do anything wrong because Bush did the same thing, right? BUT when Bush did it you agree it was wrong or else you wouldn’t have mentioned it. Therefore, your argument is as follows: Obama didn’t do any wrong, BUT Bush did the same thing and he was wrong.

    But since Bush never did such a thing, I will leave you with this,

    “On the morning of June 14, 2002, a truck with a fertilizer bomb driven by a suicide bomber was detonated outside the United States Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis.”

    The attack in 2006 was directly targeted at U.S. Diplomat David Coy and was a single car bomb which killed him and 2 pakastanis. Something nearly impossible to prevent and completely impossible to combat since it was a suicide bombing Hardly comparable to a full fledged attack accompanied with mortars which began at night and continued into the morning.

    • jewelbomb

      This comment is the single stupidest thing that’s ever been published on the Internet. I began composing a somewhat involved rebuttal, but, seriously, what’s the point? I will simply point out the you grossly misunderstand what is meant by the term “ad hominem attack.” Drawing a parallel to expose logical inconsistencies doesn’t fit that bill, brotha. Try again.

      • dumblibisdumb

        They were not related, hence the break. The example was based off a hypothetical situation in which a parallel would be drawn, since it never existed. Good try though.

        • jewelbomb

          What were not related? Somehow this comment makes even less sense than the one before. Keep digging, smart guy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

        Whether he misuses the term or not, you seem to enjoy engaging in ad hominem attacks yourself. What’s the point of developing a sound rebuttal? Let me guess here. Maybe to show that you have a better argument and reliance on the facts than the other person?

        I have found that most people who engage in ad hominem attacks, such as you, do so because they are incapable of a coherent rebuttal.

        • jewelbomb

          Fuck you. I’ll rebut your dumb ass all day pumpkin head. Why don’t you make an actual argument so that I have something to rebut instead of blathering about the nature of a sound rebutal.

          Oh, and you must realize that your second paragraph was itself an ad hominem attack. Stop your self-righteous posturing, jerk face.

          • Rujax

            Tsk, tsk, tsk…do you eat shit with that mouth?

          • jewelbomb

            No.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

            Ha. Nice strong start there. You want my argument again. I’ve already posted it.

            Here you go. Not that it will do much good being read by an internet bully who sits behind a keyboard. No one thinks you are cool or brave because you can use that keyboard to say “Fuck you” repeatedly.

            The difference between Benghazi and these attacks are threefold. This issue hasn’t gained traction because the attack happened but for other reasons.

            1) The repeated requests for increased security from the Ambassador to the DoS that were turned down.

            2) The fact that this was not a quick drive by attack with gunmen or truck bomb which is very hard to prevent in a foreign country that is not overtly friendly with the US. The Benghazi attack lasted throughout the night and the questions are:
            Were there adequate quick response forces for a situation like this, and were said teams called to react or not and why or why not?
            Who was in overall command, is the command structure working, was it a personnel failure and who was it?
            Is response protocol adequate and if not, whose fault is that?

            Point I am trying to make here is that the other attacks were similar to that you are gardening in your front lawn and someone drives by real fast and unloads for 20 seconds and then drives away. The Benghazi attack was more of a case you were in the house and the bad guys show and start gunfight. You call for the police and the police don’t show up until two hours later while the gun battle is going on for those two hours.

            3) It appears that the President and his administration either were not sure of the reason for the attack or had substantial evidence that it was a planned terrorist attack and then tried to either mislead or downplay the terrorist element and let people believe it was caused by a random protest in reaction to a poorly made YouTube video.

            Terrorist attacks will happen, especially in foreign countries with elements of the population very hostile to the US. I don’t blame Obama for the attack happening on his watch. I do want to know if it could have been prevented, why increased security requests were turned down, whether a quick action force was in a position to respond and if so, why did it not, and also, even in the scenario that they have no idea if it was a planned terrorist attack or not, and why did his Admin try to make it seem like the Benghazi attack was related to the Egyptian protests based on the YouTube video.

          • jewelbomb

            I don’t think I’m brave, and I assume that you are using a keyboard to type on as well, no? If you don’t like my choice of language, I don’t really much care.

            Look, if you don’t blame the Obama Administration for the attacks occurring, then your only gripe must be about the information that came out immediately after the attacks, correct? So I will ask you one final time: what difference would it make if *you* knew that it was coordinated attack a week earlier than you did? Oh…it wouldn’t make any difference. Than please shut up and quit pretending that a bunch of bureaucrats attempting to downplay their department’s culpability is anything out of the ordinary. The truth was sorted out within a week, and we now know what happened. Move along to your next fake scandal please. This one is boring, and it’s not getting any traction outside of the wingnut bubble anyway.

          • guest

            If, indeed, it wouldn’t make any difference, then why lie about it? This goes beyond downplaying culpability.

          • jewelbomb

            How so ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1134325734 Bettyann Matkowski Frederick

    The Republicans are really going out of their way to wear their new moniker “The Stupid Party” very well.

  • GarandFan

    Hey! Numb-nuts! Everyone one of those was reported AS A TERRORIST ATTACK!

    I don’t recall Bush blaming any of them on ‘an out of control protest’.

    Nice try. But don’t expect a paycheck from Barry.

    • Victor_the_Crab

      Hey! Retard! Learn reading comprehension before you drool nonsense.

    • Calvinius

      So was the Benghazi attack you degenerate moron.

  • guest

    Summary of this article in 2 lines….

    “Obama screwed something up! Quick, what should we do?”
    “Blame Bush!”

    • Overwhelmingryan

      Do you always have this much trouble comprehending what you read?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

        I think any American would have a vested interest in the circumstances surrounding the Benghazi incident and how it played out. Simply citing the terror attacks that happened on the previous President’s watch ignores the uniqueness of the events leading up to, during and after the Benghazi attack.

        I don’t think it was the worst cover up in history but I do believe the Administration tried to cover their rears as fast as possible.

      • guest

        Do you always blame someone else when you screw something up? Or just deflect when you want to shirk responsibility?

        • Overwhelmingryan

          Do you always have this much trouble comprehending what you read?

        • Lady Willpower

          That’s rich, considering idiots like you actually have the temerity to blame 9/11 on Bill Clinton.

  • Jim B

    In any of those situations if there was one time when the United States President made a decision to turn his back on American citizens under attack when he could have made an attempt to save them…let me know. That’s really what this Benghazi slaughter was all about.

    • Overwhelmingryan

      Except Obama never did that.

      • Millie Funk

        You’re right…instead he went to sleep after hearing about the attack. Much better. And yes, I’m a democrat AND I voted for him. I’m just damn disappointed.

        • Easy_to_Refute_Wingnuts

          Lies debunked time after time, and you keep bringing them up like the zombies they are.

        • villemar

          Sure you “used to be a Democrat.”
          Impeach or STFU.

    • Lady Willpower

      Except that isn’t what happened in Benghazi.

  • i_a_c

    If there was some Benghazi coverup, it was the most pathetic attempt at a coverup in US history. Yes, they were deliberately hiding the facts for political reasons–which is why the story changed in a week. A whole week! What a coverup! Scandal of the century! My gosh, we were without the full story for several days! What were they hiding until they stopped hiding it?!?!

    • B Manz

      Another brain dead apologist. Liberals react to truth like cockroaches react to light. Of course, a cockroach is farther along the evolutionary scale than a liberal.

    • HoosierLady

      Who gave us the full story from the administration within 1 week’s time? Really, I’m curious. Hint: It was not Obama.

  • Tim

    Did the Bush administration lie about the cause of these attacks? Did they refuse to allow the US military to intervene in order to protect US lives? I think you all miss the point of the outrage regarding Benghazi. It has nothing to do with the attacks themselves, it has to do with the administration’s response to the attacks, both to the military and then to the public.

    • http://www.facebook.com/laura.debauer Laura DeBauer

      Where did anyone lie? They said it was one thing, then a couple days later said, “Oops, we were wrong, it was this other thing.” Since, you know, there’s bound to be confusion when buildings get torched and riots ensue.

      And refusing to allow US military to intervene? DOH. You idiots just keep passing along these sentences like old school chain emails and think that makes them true.

      • raykinsella

        Uh lets see…state department personnel in Libya and Washington were aware that it was a coordinated attack that night(September 11th). Yet Secretary Rice, Secretary Clinton, white house spokesman Jay Carney and even President Obama maintained that is was simply a spontaneous attack brought on by an offensive youtube video. Doesn’t it just sound ridiculous when you read it? This was their story for over a week…incredible!

        • jewelbomb

          What fucking difference does it make if the specifics came out a week earlier? How would anything be different if the public knew it wasn’t related to the video the very next day? The victims would still be dead, and you freaks would have found some other non-controversy to shriek about. We get it…you don’t like the black Democrat who was elected President. Get the fuck over it.

          • villemar

            Elected TWICE with both solid electoral and popular vote majorites…boy that burns them up. Hopefully more than a few will stroke out because of pure self-induced rage. He’ll be in office till JANUARY OF 2017!!! I love rubbing their noses in that fact. Hey, if I can get their BP to rise up a point or two, it’s worth it. I’m just givving a little Darwinian assist.

          • Millie Funk

            To the millions of American families protecting YOUR interests overseas, believe me….it matters.

          • Easy_to_Refute_Wingnuts

            Too bad it didn’t matter to you until it happened during a Democratic administration.

          • Millie Funk

            I’m flattered how obsessed you are with my opinions. I am a democrat and I did vote for Obama. He’s still a politician, he still lies and covers things up. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

          • jewelbomb

            Oh really? Do tell. What difference would it have made?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

            Look at me use the f-word. It makes me look so much smarter.

            However, it is hard for me to believe you are such a cunning wit if you can not predict the difference between the public reaction and opinion on the Administration to a spontaneous attack caused by a video made by a private citizen, and a coordinated, successful terrorist attack sponsored by an organization we have been fighting for over a decade.

            In the first scenario, public opinion is more lenient to the President because if some random guy made a video that pissed off a bunch of average people and caused them to start a riot because the President and his Admin can’t possible prevent every crazy event like that especially in a foreign country with a barely functioning government and people know that.

            The second scenario is something we should have been watching out for, and people start to ask questions about why we didn’t prevent and why weren’t we more prepared this. In this case, the public opinion of the President’s competence tends to sink.

            Now that I have laid out the two scenarios for you, maybe you can see the incentive to push one story over the other.
            So when people see the Admin push the scenario that casts the President and the Admin in a better light, and as independent sources start to contradict this initially pushed scenario, people and especially the President’s and Admin’s opponents, want to know if they were simply going with the best information they had or were they downplaying certain elements to make themselves look better.

            I would rather have the President attacked by the Republicans and have them leave no stone unturned even if they end up finding nothing rather than it simply be verboten to inquiry and also criticize the President’s behavior and policy.

          • jewelbomb

            Wow. A lot of words there. Too bad none of them address how things would be different if the public knew the specific cause of the attack a week earlier. Would those people still be alive if Rob Michael learned that it was a coordinated attack a week sooner than he did? No. Then what difference does it make other than providing you with a fake controversy to cry about?

            Edit: Fuck

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

            It isn’t about whether they would be alive or not. It is about the administration misleading about the nature of the attacks that killed Americans to fit a narrative that would help them cover their rears. I mean, I made that pretty clear before but I guess that anger clouds your vision.

          • jewelbomb

            Sorry, but that makes no sense. How does asserting that the attack was about a YouTube video rather than a planned terrorist attack help anyone cover their asses? As though it’s not a tragedy if it involves YouTube but it is if it occurred for other reasons. Yes, perhaps the talking points were a little muddled in the early days after the attack, but the story got straightened out within a week. At worst, the Obama Administration is guilty of poor messaging. As though it’s unprecedented that a bunch of bureaucrats spent a week clashing over various narratives in order to frame the attack in such a way that reduces their department’s culpability. Shocking I tell you! Nothing like this has ever happened in Washington before!

            And yes, I am angry because this is so clearly an effort by Republicans to magnify a non-scandal for political gain. The whole point is that y’all don’t really care about the people who were killed at all. Rather you are exploiting a tragedy in order to score political points. Frankly, it’s nauseating. If you people were agitating about an increased need for security maybe you would have credibility. But since all you want to do is whine about some silly conspiracy that doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be surprised that no one really cares about your harebrained theories.

        • Kwa85

          Go read the ARB report because you’re talking crap. How can you be so ignorant?

        • Rujax

          So the PDB of August 11, 2001 states…”Bin Laden is poised to strike somewhere in the US with airplanes.” But Bush and the cowards in his administration claimed for YEARS afterwards “no one could have seen that coming.” Where’s the outrage, dude?

    • Jay B.

      The Bush Administration lied about literally everything, so probably.

  • http://twitter.com/gaquitaine Gentil Aquitaine

    There’s no defending any manner of cover-up that took place in the case of the Benghazi attacks, but the hypocrisy of those who would go after the Obama Administration hammer and tongs over the issue—while ignoring the faults of the Bush Administration—is astounding.

    • Kwa85

      Not to mention that there is zero evidence of a cover up in Benghazi and this is a politicized narrative fanned by Republicans based on smoke and mirrors, not facts.

      • raykinsella

        Perhaps because state department lawyers threatened survivors not to testify. Not to mention, investigators were not given access to survivors until just recently. If the administration is so pure, why the secrecy?

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          You have done just as the RW machine wanted; you fell for their lying crap hook, line and sinker. Pretty stupid.

        • Kwa85

          “I think the notion of a quote, cover up, has all the elements of Pulitzer Prize fiction attached to it,” – ARB co-chair Amb Thomas Pickering

          The allegations are false!!!

        • Calvinius

          You’re full of crap. Nobody was “threatened” and no investigators were denied access.

          • Millie Funk

            Really, because I know of at least four guys who were.

          • Easy_to_Refute_Wingnuts

            Yeah, right, and now their sister-in-law’s mother’s uncle’s ex-wife is making thousands of dollars for just a few hours’ work on their computers!

          • Kwa85

            No you don’t.

          • Millie Funk

            Really? That’s funny. Because I do. Have you even ever left America? Do you know what it’s like for us out there? Probably just don’t are. Go back to your suburban couch and it makes me happy to know that I’ll be the one representing you ignorant ass overseas.

          • jewelbomb

            Does your work as a diplomat consist solely of bragging about how informed you are (without noting specific details for any of your spurious claims) and squawking about made up conspiracy theories on the internet? Seriously, no one believes you dude. You’re just some person on the internet claiming to have some super secret information no one else is privy to.

          • Millie Funk

            I don’t give a shit what you believe. And if u ever get your ass off your computer and see the world maybe your eyes will be opened too . TROLL!

          • jewelbomb

            If you don’t give a shit why are you gracing me and everyone else on this forum with your insightful comments?

          • Lady Willpower

            That’s amazing. A couple of comments ago you only knew two of them. Now you know four. Those guys sure aren’t doing a good job of keeping quiet! Barry must not be threatening them enough.

        • kfreed

          Or perhaps nobody threatened anybody just like the Boston bombing and Sandy Hook were NOT perpetrated or covered up by the government. Just like Obama’s birth certificate isn’t fake. Just like “Fast and Furious” turned out to be the bullshit we knew it was. Just like nobody is coming to take your guns. Just like you’re not getting thrown into FEMA camps. Etc., etc., ad infinitum.

          Lord you people are beyond stupid.

        • kfreed

          Or perhaps nobody threatened anybody just like the Boston bombing and Sandy Hook were NOT perpetrated or covered up by the government. Just like Obama’s birth certificate isn’t fake. Just like “Fast and Furious” was exactly the bullshit we knew it was. Just like nobody is coming to take your guns. Just like you’re not getting thrown into FEMA camps. Etc., etc., ad infinitum.

          Lord, you people are beyond farce. Tell ya what, though, if it ever comes up for a vote, I’d be willing to vote AYE on having the whole lot of you committed to FEMA mental institutions.

          Hre’s what DID happen: “GOP Star Witnesses Debunk Right-Wing Benghazi Conspiracy Theories” courtesy Think Progress. Sane people still unaware might like to look this up just for shits and giggles.

        • Millie Funk

          There are four junior officers who have been forced not to testify because it’ll damage their likelihood for promotions in the future.

          • Easy_to_Refute_Wingnuts

            Well, the vast amount of evidence you provided has convinced me that… oh, wait.

          • Millie Funk

            And your overflowing with evidence. I’m a diplomat…so I think I know a little more than you about security overseas.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            You’re a diplomat????LOLOLOL………find a forum with the astutely stupid—perhaps you can make that fantasy stick, you moron.

          • Kwa85

            Bullshit.

          • Millie Funk

            So you work with these guys? Because I know two of them. So bullshit back.

          • Kwa85

            You’re talking bullshit Milly. We all know it.

        • Kwa85

          You say “perhaps”. Did they threaten them or did they not? I already know the answer is they did not. But please, present your irrefutable evidence. Oh wait. There is none.

          • Mama62

            Why wouldn’t threatened individuals come forward with the truth if that is it? Are they afraid they will be carted away by the CIA? Someones been watching too much TV.

          • Kwa85

            Exactly. Some of these people live in Lalaland.

      • Millie Funk

        You know nothing….Nordstorm has documented evidence asking for more aide on the ground and was denied REPEATEDLY! Not to mention that Hicks (a democrat, like myself) wasn’t even consulted before they started spinning this story.

        • Kwa85

          Where’s the cover up again? Nothing you said is new.

        • villemar

          You’re a Democrat like I’m the King of Siam. Impeach or STFU.

          • Millie Funk

            Check my ballot Box mother fucker

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            Then you’re a fucking STUPID Democrat, a complete asshat.

            It happens.

          • villemar

            “I used to be a Democrat” is the oldest line in the book. But I’ll handicap you thusly:
            96% chance you’re a Republican Concern Troll using that old “I used to be a Democrat” chestnut.
            2% chance you sustained some type of injury that left you paralyzed from the neck up. If that’s the case I feel sorry for your brain injury.
            2% chance you’re just an idiot and an asshole, and for some inexplicable reason you voted Democratic in the past. But make no bones about it, you are a Republican now. That’s fine, we’ll make more. Enjoy your new home, because we don’t want you back. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

        • Mama62

          A lot of embassys were denied additional security after funding was cut. That is your conspiracy cover up theory? A cover up keeping something from secret. I fail to see any secret here or what there is to cover up. People make decisions, some time they don’t work out. As for you being a diplomat, if that us true, you must be really stupid to be posting on here. Think no one is looking? Think again Ms Diplomat soon to be unemployed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1173480024 Rob Michael

      Most of us are well aware of the faults of the Bush Administration.

  • DrowningKittens

    If there’s a crime, prosecute it. Otherwise, quit your belly aching.

    • raykinsella

      Can’t prosecute a crime if the criminals hide, bribe and threaten the witnesses!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1134325734 Bettyann Matkowski Frederick

        Let’s talk about criminals. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld…..

        • dumblibisdumb

          Let’s talk about your inability to partake in a logical agruement

          • AuntInAZ

            Why don’t you explain what an ‘agruement’ is, and then maybe you’ll get an answer.

          • kfreed

            What do you know about logical arguments?

          • Rande Johnson

            Let’s talk about your spelling…

          • ei-g1

            Let’s talk about your inability to look past your “all libs [people who disagree with me] are stupid” nose.

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          • julianenglish

            Let’s talk about ad hominem attacks.

          • Iron Tub

            lets talk about what you say happened in the past justifies what is going on now

          • Iron Tub

            Im sorry for that!.that comment was for bettyann

        • B Manz

          “That was a long time ago.” “What difference does it make?”

          • Steve Karper

            tell it to the families of the 6000 deads oldiers int he war on oil.

            Tell it to the Iraqi people now and deliver Darth vader cheney to his indirect creation – ISIS

          • http://newsninja2012.com/radiolive/ CFJ

            Maybe Democrats shouldn’t have LIED about Saddam’s WMD

            http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

          • user woot

            Sweet.
            Approval was given to attack Iraq until it became political, then people were lying out their teeth.
            Then it became a “I was for it, until I was against it” argument.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m fairly certain you’ll have to give that distinction to the White House and its former secretary.

        • Douglas Roether

          Most of them are criminals !

        • dingdong

          Yuck Yuck Yuck 6 years and still Bush and Cheney’s faults. Y Y Y…

        • Charles Martin

          The Jon Stewart news informed, is heard from…just bombs, no intellect

        • Paul Shene

          War crimes have no statute of limitations. Between Iraq, Afghanistan and El Salvador (our involvement with the Contras) there are a lot of GOP leadership that should be swinging from a rope by the neck right now.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            OK! Make your case! You make incessant accusations of nefarious war crimes. Prove one!

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Of what crimes were they convicted?

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            Crimes committed =/= crimes indited =/= crimes convicted. If our justice system was more perfect, most of the Forbes 400 would be in prison or on death row. The more rich and powerful you are, the less likely you will ever face negative consequences for evil behavior. Since the Geneva convention, starting a war and invading someone else’s sovereign borders is a war crime. Only the defeated will ever be punished for war crimes. If the Third Reich won world war II (A Tea Party fantasy…) Winston Churchill and FDR would have been executed rather than Goebbels and Himmler.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            What in the world makes you think that German’s winning could ever be a TEA Party fantasy? That’s stupid! You’re stupid.

            That used to be the Forbes 500 and what proof do you have that most of them would be in prison or on death row, just because you engage in the politics of envy?

            You’ll have to go further to prove that any or every invasion of sovereign borders is a war crime. Were it that we prosecuted those invading our own borders! That would be considered law and order. Can’t have that!

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            Do your own research. I made no assertions yet.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s what I thought!

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            I made a general statement that war crimes have no statute of limitations. You took that as making an assertion. More specifically you demanded I list the war crime charges. I am not the one that files the charges… they file those at the Hague. maybe they filed already maybe they haven’t. If you are so worried about it, check it out on the ICC website.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            as·ser·tion

            əˈsərSH(ə)n/

            noun

            a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.

            “his assertion that his father had deserted the family”

            synonyms:declaration, contention, statement, claim, opinion, proclamation,announcement, pronouncement, protestation, avowa

            Let’s examine your “general statement”, by definition, assertions or statements in your one paragraph, since you’re going to play coy.

            First two sentences:
            “Crimes committed =/= crimes indited =/= crimes convicted. If our justice system was more perfect, most of the Forbes 400 would be in prison or on death row.”

            I’m not going to touch the first quasi formula. You made a specific assertion that most Forbes 400 would be in prison or on death row without supporting your thesis aside your nonsensical formula. That is a strong even if unsupported assertion formed in lunacy, since you seem not to know.

            “The more rich and powerful you are, the less likely you will ever face negative consequences for evil behavior. Since the Geneva convention, starting a war and invading someone else’s sovereign borders is a war crime.

            In these two sentences, the first is subjective but not fair. There’s no proof that those that are rich or powerful are any more or less evil, per capita than those that are not. Even the term evil is subjective and there is a newer dynamic that rich people are more scrutinized, therefor it’s less likely that they can get away with what they once did. It seems to me, based on reality, it’s also less likely that rich and powerful commit crimes of moral turpitude. Personally, I think the greatest contributory factor to poverty is the democrat party cult’s ideology. Who’s committing crime in times of prosperity? If the complaint is unemployment, poverty and and lack of opportunity that is responsible for high crime, shouldn’t the government, it’s party and its propaganda ministry take the stranglehold (overburden of taxation and regulation) off of the free market and allow the economy to grow?

            As for your incomprehensible statement about, the Geneva Convention, there’s too much to try to guess what you meant to address every possible point you might mean. I wrote a paper on the Geneva Convention my second year of college and whatever you’re trying to say is wrong. The Geneva Convention was an event where a rules of war agreement between nations was held.

            “Only the defeated will ever be punished for war crimes. If the Third Reich won world war II (A Tea Party fantasy…) Winston Churchill and FDR would have been executed rather than Goebbels and Himmler.”

            Not only the defeated are punished for war crimes. Some times war criminals on either side are punished. Some heroes, under the barack hussein obama administration have been imprisoned for defending themselves because they didn’t have the opportunity to get permission to defend when engaged.

            Although I’m not a TEA Party member, I’ve read their literature, gone to their meetings, met with them. Another black family that lives in the house at my 11:00 are black. I don’t use ‘African American’ and neither do they. None of them are Nazi sympathizers. You can use unsubstantiated, fuzzy thinking leftism to justify your fairly disturbing, cynical world view but to call people concerned with Liberty, Freedom, personal responsibility, personal sovereignty and our Constitution nazi sympathizers is despicable and disgusting.

            As for your mis-education of the Nazis, Goebbels and Himmler and Goring all committed suicide, Himmler, with his children and wife. Goring did so in prison.

            The ignorant, sweeping, general statements, you make are repugnant enough but don’t pretend they’re not assertions.

            Here’s a nickles worth of free advice: Less unscholarly, illiterate, ignorant $#!+ talk; more reading!

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            tl;dr

            try again with less Tea Party buzz words and dog whistles.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            If you didn’t read it, how do you know there are any TEA Party buzz words or dog whistles? I don’t even know what that means or if such a thing exists but based on your writing, I’m going to say no.

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            ” I don’t even know what that means or if such a thing exists but ” That explains all Tea Party political , scientific and philosophical positions. Well Sergeant Schulz, “I know nothing” is not a position of strength in the real world. Do some research and come back when you get a little education.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            To be very clear, I never claimed to know nothing. I really think that’s your department with the many unsubstantiated assertions you’ve made, now, with this one to stack on the pile of word turds you’ve already dumped.

            Let’s examine that and I’ll leave literacy alone. You claim not to have read my post but tell me to use less ‘TEA Party Buzz words and dog whistles.’ I point that out to you and tell you I don’t know what you’re talking about so you conflate that with that illiterate, completely absent critical thinking post! Then you tell me to do some research! Priceless!

            I find myself laughing every time I read one of your literary butt nuggets! As for my position of strength in the world, I’ll take advice from a kindergartner before I consider what you say as serious because at least a 4 or 5 year old is honest with him or herself and others when prompted and doesn’t try to pretend they know something when they don’t.

            I’d be willing to be that my education exceeds yours and not by a little. I’d put my accomplishments, literary, educational, athletic, patriotic and philanthropic against every democrat I’ve ever met, including you. To best me, you’re going to have to have a PhD educationally and a perfect 4.0 or close, have won nationals at an individual sport and have served our country for a longer and more distinguished career, with a rank exceeding mine, give more of themselves financially and personally and be more published than I.

            From your writing, you’re not a serious person and not well educated, so I’m willing to bet all that I have that I’ve got you bay a wide margin there, you’re alos going to have to be a lieutenant General as a Marine from one of the most distinguished and decorated than the 1st Division’s 2/5 and won nationals at some individual sport since I only won regionals at my sport.

            How is it that you figure you can tell me to educate myself and to tell me how to and whether I’m in a position of strength in the world?

            While I’m not perfect, and I don’t often toot my own horn, I’m proud of all my accomplishments and while I’m amused that a functional illiterate might tell me I’m lacking or that a well read, well studied, well educated, well traveled man like me that self educates daily might need education, you’re not in your depth.

            You lost this engagement when you engaged me so you might want to run along, now. Leave as you came, uninvited, unwanted, unequal to the task and with nothing whatsoever to offer.

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            You made the claim, a relatively accurate one. Why back off the point that you know nothing when you clearly proved that point?

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Of what crimes do you speak? You like to talk about crimes but you never bring any indictments or convictions.

      • kfreed

        Can’t prosecute imaginary crimes, you mean.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr

        Accusations of bribery and witness tampering… with NO evidence.

        You get that lying about a lie is still a lie, right?

        You understand that claiming something is true with no proof, and then claiming the evidence has been covered up, with no evidence of THAT either, is simply evidence of insanity?

        • Mama62

          They just make up stupid stuff, pay off the hard right talking heads to feed it to the public and sit back and wait. The GOP propaganda machine at work. Wonder how much this is costing Karl Rove.

          • B Manz

            They just make up stupid stuff, pay off the hard left talking heads to
            feed it to the public and sit back and wait. The Democratic propaganda machine
            at work. Wonder how much this is costing George Soros.

          • julianenglish

            Nothing. He’s dead.

          • Monomachos

            He might want to know that.

          • julianenglish

            You’re right sbout soros. I thought he died lsst year. Sorry

          • Iron Tub

            He just appears to be. Looks are deceiving

          • Candy Peterson

            George Soros is very much alive!! Google him!!

          • julianenglish

            You’re right. Don’t know who I had him mixed up with. Thanks for the correction.

          • george the sceptical

            What an original reply!

          • Candy Peterson

            yes indeed,,,

          • ei-g1

            none; but you’re doing a dandy job for Boner. He should send you a bone-us check.

          • Candy Peterson

            Propaganda does not get you impeached! Hard evidence does! They must be getting close!!

        • raykinsella

          This is from testimony of the Benghazi whistle blowers. If they’re lying, I’ll be happy to retract, but how about we allow the truth to be discovered first? And talk about making things up? Isn’t it ironic that you would support the “made up” story put forth by the Obama administration. And your familiar defense of name calling and personal debasement reveals your ignorance. Your political heroes count on this to keep your support…very sad indeed!

          • Lady Willpower

            “your familiar defense of name calling and personal debasement”

            This is coming from the same asshole who accused me of being on welfare and food stamps, based on nothing other than the fact that I’m black.

          • B Manz

            ” the fact that I’m black.”

            Now we known why you voted for Barry O.

          • Lady Willpower

            That’s a nice attitude. Have fun never winning another national election.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually, that could happen. In North Carolina, they’re finding thousands of democrats that were voting in several states. Some are dead and some are alive and claiming to live in different states.

            “One man; one vote”, could make a comeback and sink the democrat ick party cult.

          • Lady Willpower

            “In North Carolina, they’re finding thousands of democrats that were voting in several states.”

            Citation, please.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            ‘Elections Director Kim Strach told state lawmakers at an oversight hearing Wednesday that her staff has identified registered North Carolina voters who appear to have cast ballots in other states during the 2012 presidential election.

            ‘Strach said the first names, last names, birthdates and last four digits of their Social Security numbers appear to match information for voters in another state. Each case will now be investigated to determine whether voter fraud occurred.

            “Could it be voter fraud? Sure, it could be voter fraud,” Strach said.’

            WRAL.com reported that 81 residents who died before election day were recorded as casting a ballot. While about 30 of those voters appear to have legally cast ballots before election day, Strach said “there are between 40 and 50 [voters] who had died at a time that that’s not possible.”

            “We have the ‘Walking Dead,’ and now we’ve got the ‘Voting Dead,'” said state Sen. Bob Rucho, R-Mecklenburg. “I guess the reason there’s no proof of voter fraud is because we weren’t looking for it.”

          • mpast

            Hell that’s because their all related.

          • Terry Coats
          • Lady Willpower

            The article is completely inconclusive. Even the people investigating say this sort of thing always turns out to be clerical error. And this is from a state that Romney won anyway. So that’s a pretty terrible job of stealing an election.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            “Authority, Citation Please!”

          • julianenglish

            Good advice. You should consider following it yourself.

          • Silures

            None of those 13 attacks involved dereliction of duty to protect the American facilities as was the case in Benghazi. In only a single case was an American diplomat killed and he was outside the facility and off of the “US soil” of a US diplomatic post. There was no coverup by Bush in any of those instances, nor did Bush lie in any fashion to get away with a failure to protect those posts.

            Obama ignored many warnings in the days leading up to the attack then lied about the whole thing to keep secure his image of a master of foreign policy.

          • Lady Willpower

            Benghazi also had no coverup and no dereliction of duty, much as you wish otherwise.

          • Silures

            I have followed every aspect of this debacle since it happened. I hope, now that the creation of a Special Select Committee has been found necessary by the Speaker of the House that you will take the time to follow the questioning and the answers.
            It will be done by an investigative professional with subpoena power, and gone will be the speech making of house members as they each get their 5 minutes. This is going to be completely different, and it will be very penetrating.
            The Democrats like to say that they want bi-partisanship like it was back in the Special Select Committee that investigated Watergate. It should be understood that it was the Republicans that made that bi-partisan; they did not try to stall it or waste time calling it a waste of time. They participated and assisted, that’s why it worked so well.

          • Candy Peterson

            They are still trying to cover it up,,, stay tuned,,, not over yet!!

          • Lickylick

            NO coverup? You may as well say the attack never happened. No coverup my ass.

          • Lady Willpower

            Well, that’s certainly a compelling argument. You must be a lawyer.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            In what alternate reality was this? As you once said, and I’ll more accurately paraphrase, ‘what credible citation do you offer that proves this point(less assertion)?

            Don’t give me that white house shill at the NYT!

          • Lady Willpower

            I can’t imagine I could ever convince you otherwise. No matter what citation I gave you, you’d say it doesn’t “count” somehow. You would only listen if it confirmed your preexisting biases. Anything else would be utterly discounted.
            There is no point arguing with the irrational and/or the delusional.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            So, we’re not dealing with alternate realities! We’re dealing with a cowardly assertion that you require facts but don’t have to provide them because, based on nothing at all but your own belief, that only facts count for you! The old double standard! The old, “…if you don’t know, you wouldn’t understand…”

            You’ve painted me enemy, demonized me and made whatever I think irrelevant and belligerent without knowing a thing about me.

            I was following you because of something you’d said that was unpopular but true and now I find that you’re just a coward!

            Wow!

          • David Williamson

            I noticed she gave the non-answer most democrat politicians give. Maybe she’s Clinton in disguise.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Under pointed questioning by Rand Paul, during a Congressional hearing, she played the “Mission Impossible card”. She disavowed any knowledge of anything at all and when Rand Paul put his finger on the pointed questions, she either told a bold faced lie or said you’d have to ask somebody else. When it got really hot, she pulled the histrionics about “…what difference does it make, at this point…” and misstated the question, implying this wasn’t a terror attack when she knew it was in real time.

            Frankly, everybody let her off the hook with the fake act of being upset and concerned. Bull$#!+; they should have followed up and not let that stand! They have to ask the same questions of her staff and other witnesses in the same hearing to contrast her lies, misdirection and manipulation as well as blatant perjured past statements. She needs to be held in Congressional, Civil and Criminal Contempt for both her own and barack hussein obama’s treason paying, arming, providing air support, cover fire, bombing and intelligence to ansar al shariah, usama bin laden’s re-branded al qaida.

            It also has to come out that our diplomatic post and CIA/State Department annex, at the port of Benghazi, Libya was overrun by these ansar al shariah melitias because we were stealing back the weapons we gave them to be shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya, to other al qaida melitias and the muslim brotherhood puppetmasters, to fight Assad, in Syria.

            Those weapons were given to ansar al shariah/al qaida and were never meant to be stolen back by the muslim brotherhood now controlling LIbya and given to Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens to personally ship them from the port of Benghazi to Syria, via Turkey through the brokerage of Qatar.

            Follow the missing $6 Billion dollars missing from the State Department’s budget right to our enemy, ansar al shariah aka al qaida! to engineer the “arab spring”, against America’s allies, with American paid, internet trolls, for the muslim brotherhood absent the approval of Congress, to overthrow and place the muslim brotherhood and shariah law, in power in Yemen, Egypt, Libya and Syria.

            There may be small instances of terror raids by al qaida but nothing so treasonous, so anti-American, precipitated by and ignored by the American instigators and nowhere have we joined our enemies under declaration of war to overthow allied governments for a terror group, without Congressional approval!

            In the case of Libya, either in Benghazi or Tripoli, never in the modern era did we engage in empire building and fake war reporting to justify our actions on behalf of a documented and known terror group such as the muslim brotherhood, or al qaida, in this case merely re-branded by usama bin laden.

          • Aldous Huxley

            Well said! right on!

          • Al Meullier

            That is exactly why most people who were irrational and delusional pre-Reagan years were locked up until he realized that they would be a great voting block for the GOP and released them. Now, they are voters and Republicans! LOL I have no citation, that is just funny as shit to say because it pisses most Republicans off! (because it is true!)

            Oh, what the hell, here is a cite to a peer-reviewed article but it requires reading and there are no pictures, also it might not conflict with Republican’s cognitive dissonance over their messiah, Ronald Reagan and how he was the best President this country ever had.
            http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

            BTW, I hear John Boehner gets choked up when he thinks about all the good things that Reagan did. “Boo Hoo! I love this country so much I want to destroy it,” says Boehner.

            Oh, what, I can’t do the same thing the Republicans do? I have to tell the truth why they get to lie. Talk about a double-standard. We have to be better than them? Oh, I see! Hmmph! Well disregard my Boehner comment then!

          • David Williamson

            Funny how Reagan won his election with Democrats that crossed over to the dark side. Then when his reelection came up, even more climbed into that dark bus. I’ll agree with you on Bonehead, he is the reason for the crap going on now, and they just voted him back as leader, argh. I went to your link for Sociology and the paper about his presidency. A very unbiased paper written by Liberal Professors and their opinions.

            A quote from your link states, “”Combined with a sharp rise in homelessness during the 1980s, Ronald Reagan pursued a policy toward the treatment of mental illness that satisfied special interest groups and the demands of the business community, but failed to address the issue: the treatment of mental illness”. Even though as they said, he tried to develop treatment, he failed because he didn’t treat mental illness. What does that mean. He tried but failed because he didn’t succeed. Mankind has tried throughout the years for this lofty goal. So Reagan failed because he didn’t create a miracle and cure them?

            Or is it because they think he only put enough out there to make it look good. Then what about all the other presidents? If Reagan put effort into the situation, then it needed it, right? Then where is the criticism for the president before him, Jimmy Carter. If Reagan had to put an effort forward, then that would indicate the previous president put out less than Reagan. Wouldn’t that be logical? So this paper criticizes him, I’d expect that from Liberals anyway. But what evidence do you have based on fact not opinion?

          • Aldous Huxley

            actually it was JFKennedy who closed the State Insane Asylums and put those people out on the streets. Reagan ‘just’ cut the funding to JFK’s alternative programs – community based healthcare.

          • David Williamson

            Lady Willpower, Benghazi also had no coverup is what you say. But that is just the outcome of countless investigations where most of the testimonies was lies and shifting of truths. I had one commenter say that Bush had Benghazi’s also. I had to reply to her that no other president has had a Benghazi, only Obama has. What makes that statement a reality, is that other presidents had embassies attacked during their presidencies, but none of them lied about it. That is what separates the presidents from this man. Why is it that people don’t care if their president lies to them, specially as much as this one has. Don’t think I am some ticked off Republican or other. I voted for Obama both times. Sorry I did, but at the time I thought he was the right man for the job, I now have to admit I was wrong.

          • Lady Willpower

            What do you think Obama has lied about?

          • David Williamson

            Sorry for late response, was only going to wait the 8 days that the Obama administration took to tell Americans the truth about Benghazi. They said they had to get their talking points together. That usually indicates lying. The major reason the police or any investigative force will separate the witness’s and suspects is to keep them from getting their talking points sraight together.

            This article asks why no big deal was made during Bush’s time. I answered that with the fact that neither Clinton or Bush lied to the public about it. Don’t you remember that Ms Clinton and Brown told us over and over again that it was because of a guy that made an anti-Muslim video. That is the lie I’m talking about. If you think Obama had no say in this lie, then that makes it even worse. If his underlings would lie to the people on such an important thing as 4 innoncent Americans being murdered, it’s like what everyone complains about the Bush administration, they lied.

            If we want to leave the Benghazi part of this discussion and talk about other lies, we can. But this board is about Benghazi and I will leave it at that.

          • Lady Willpower

            No need to apologize. sir.
            Anyway, I think you are confusing “being wrong” with “lying.” The administration got the Benghazi story wrong at first, then realized their mistake and corrected the story. I’m sorry that’s not a very sexy scandal, but it’s the proven truth. Investigation after investigation after investigation has confirmed this. There was no scandal and no cover-up. If there were one, it would have been uncovered by now. They got it wrong, they didn’t lie.

            How many more investigations will it take to convince you? I’m asking in all sincerity. Will it take another dozen before you realize there wasn’t a cover-up?

            The people who’ve conducted these inquiries would like nothing more than to pin a big fat scandal on the Obama administration, yet they’ve come away emptyhanded every single time. If they couldn’t do it, with all that motivation, it can’t be done.

          • VSamuels

            When events occur, like the tragedy in Benghazi—-many people say things that often must be retracted or corrected—–this is a fact that happened on Cheney and Bush’s watch with those 13 Embassy attacks. The difference is that the Democractic Party was not on auto pilot about creating a crisis to undermine their administration.

            The GOP have been the ones who exploited the administration early reports—and interpeted them as ‘lies’—–then spent 2 years rrying to actually prove they were lies. The latest Congress is 80% white and 80% male and it mirrors the GOP—makeup, it is also the reason why David Gregory, now Chuck Todd and Wolf Blitzer and George Stephanopoulos and others, do not challenge the propaganda as strongly from the right—-it is the position of the corporations, who in turn are in factor the chief supporters of the GOP.

            The real issue is how todays Democratic party, seems so unable to wage a fight—and are quiet and no where to be found, if the author can compile this data—-so can they (do so).

          • David Williamson

            No the people running it would like real answers, not lies. How come there was a memo from the US based CIA director disputing the video charge. He claims that the embassy personnel knew it was a terrorist attack. Why did it take 8 days to put all of it together, or to get their stories straight. Americans were murdered and democrats want to seep it under the rug. Sounds like the IRS scandal that has now shown that they knew about it and lied, but you dem’s don’t do that right? ROFLOL

          • Lady Willpower

            “Why did it take 8 days to put all of it together…”

            Because confusing situations from thousands of miles away are very difficult to sort out.
            Next question.

          • David Williamson

            Here are a few quotes from factchsck.org, a respected site that has proven to be bipartisan and have torn apart stories on both sides of the Isles. Sorry for length but it seems that I have to spell out the reasons behind the “Witch Hunts” the republicans are accused of providing.

            Because the home director of the CIA had contact with the CIA director in Benghazi and confirmed the attack wasn’t a video editor. Senators from both parties say the following 3 days after the attack, yet the White House and Ms Clinton are saying it was about the video.

            “I think it was a planned, premeditated attack,” Senate Armed
            Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said. He added he did not know the specific group responsible for the assault on the complex.

            [Sen. John] McCain expressed a similar view.
            “People don’t go to demonstrate and carry RPGs and automatic
            weapons,” he said, adding that the facts suggest “this was not a ‘mob’ action [or] a group of protesters.”

            Update, May 16, 2013: The talking points given to Rice were
            extensively revised, largely at the request of the State Department. The original CIA talking points said, “We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa’ida participated in the attack I will cut forward now to 9-16

            Sept. 16: Magariaf
            “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous. We firmly believe that this was a precalculated, preplanned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. consulate.”

            Jump to 10-9:

            Oct 9: Senior state department official two: That is a
            question that you would have to ask others. That was not our conclusion. I’m not saying that we had a conclusion, but we outlined what happened. The Ambassador walked guests out around 8:30 or so, there was no one on the street at approximately 9:40, then there was the noise and then we
            saw on the cameras the – a large number of armed men assaulting the compound

            The cameras from day one showed no protest, period. But the lies kept building.

            Oct. 10: The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform releases State Department memos requesting additional security in Libya. Charlene Lamb, a State Department official who denied those requests, tells the committee that the State Department had been training local Libyans for nearly a year and additional U.S. security personnel were not needed. As reported by Foreign Policy:
            “We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi on the night of 9/11,Lamb testified. Others testified differently. “All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources,” testified Eric Nordstrom, the top regional security officer in Libya over the summer, Foreign Policy reported.

            Here is the part that just cracks me up, Ms Clinton saying :

            Oct. 24: Clinton warns at a press conference that you cannot draw conclusions from the leaked emails because “cherry-picking one story here or one document there” can be misleading. She said, “The independent Accountability Review Board is already hard at work looking at everything — not cherry-picking one story here or one document there — but looking at everything, which I highly recommend as the appropriate approach to something as complex as an attack like this.”

            Cherry picking one story, sounds like she has flipped on her opinion about blaming Bush’s intelligence for not being prepared for 9-11 World Trade Center, hmm.

            Read the full article at:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

            Then there is the revised report at:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/benghazi-attack-revisited/

            Here you find the following that causes all the problems with what the White House has said:

            To say that the State Department made a “single adjustment” to the wording, as Carney claimed, is misleading at best. It glosses over the State Department’s extensive involvement in the editing process. ABC News published 12 drafts of the talking points. All of the drafts say the attack began “spontaneously” in response to a violent protest in Cairo (which was sparked by the anti-Muslim video). But the original CIA talking points said, “We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa’ida participated in the attack.”

            “We Do Know”, hmm.

            Then: “May 15 — showed “the State Department had extensive input into the editing of the talking points,” including the removal of a reference to CIA warnings of al Qaeda-linked threats in Benghazi.

            Yet democrats listen to Clinton and Obama saying this is a witch hunt and they don’t listen to all of it. “We Do Know”!

            Then of course this one shouldn’t raise any concerns or questions:

            In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence
            agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”

            The paragraph was entirely deleted.

            Yea, I am wrong, I don’t think there is any reason to question why this Benghazi thing just persists, and the big bad republicans keep asking and investigating it. Makes no sense to me either. Again, ROFLOL

          • Candy Peterson

            exactly!! Big difference!

          • julianenglish

            Bush used up his quota of lies with the big WMD lie that got us into a decsde long war with Iraq, leaving over 5000 americans dead.

          • Silures

            Intel from the Brits, the French, and the CIA all said that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction. He gassed his own people (the Kurds) from helicopters and that was why there was a no fly zone enforce by the US AF, the Brits, and the French.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That wasn’t Bush’s lie. There is still more proof that there had been poorly sanitized bunkers producing and storing WMDs than proof that there never was any.

            Only the “yellow cake uranium deal from North Korea” turned out to be faulty intelligence. You people talk an awful lot about lies made, actually by South African operatives, as if it was Bush that made it up.

            In the last sobering part of his statement, Bush told everyone that voted, when he made his case that it wouldn’t matter whether there were WMDs or not, that removing Saddam Hussein was a worthy cause and everybody, including most democrats voted yea. In the Senate, run by the democrats, the vote went 77-33.

            It should be noted, if we’re going to blame the leader, particularly the one that took responsibility and conceded “no wmds”, even if he shouldn’t have and there was more proof that there had been, one leader took responsibility. If you’re going to count the now, it’s more and more have died in Iraq, under obama than Bush, about 2/3s that have perished in Iraq died under obama and even though we’ve been mostly out of there for over a year. That’s the shirker of responsibility and chief!

          • julianenglish

            You can always find a way to believe what you want to believe.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You mean like you Bush haters and lie repeaters? Personally, I do my own research. I use facts, you know that pesky stuff the media won’t report, that pesky stuff you dismiss!

          • julianenglish

            Good to hear you do your own research. Can you recommend the best of the evidence you’ve reviewed to reach your conclusions? I’d like to read them. Maybe I would agree with you if I were better informed. Thanks.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re right about a need to be better informed but I doubt that you’d change your mind. I’ve found democrats to be so deeply indoctrinated that left is right, up is down, inside is out, Colder and increased masses of ice on the polar caps is proof of “global warming”, formerly global cooling and in light of evidence that humans are not significantly affecting the earth’s temperature, the drop back to “climate change”, the sky isn’t really blue and water isn’t wet! Here’s an old citation from 2010, one from Wikileaks:

            http://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/

            Here’s a new one:

            http://www.inquisitr.com/1309825/isis-in-iraq-find-saddam-husseins-wmd-stockpiles-of-chemical-weapons-george-w-bush-was-right/

            As far as what was said in Congress when George W. Bush made his case for going into Iraq and the intelligence, this is all chronicled, documented history and you need to do a little work if you want to become educated.

          • julianenglish

            ou seem much more concerned with trashing democrats and liberals than you do discussing the issue at hand. No point in this. As to your links, one took me to a generic Wired page. Nothing on topic. The secind took me to some unheard of blog called “the inquisitor.” The entire piece was hedged throughout — “he said, she said, maybe someone found something from 1991 that might be….” In the end, the strongest conclusion they could draw is, “are you surprised that gwb might have been right?” Not really very compelling when virtually every respected news source, and every peer reviewed analasis of the war, concludes that there were no wmds. Who really knows? But the preponderance of evidence weighs on the side of the bush team knowingly lying through their teeth about WMDs.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            democrats trash themselves just by being. They don’t need me.

            I don’t buy in to left-speak! You might call yourselves “liberal”, as if you were free thinking, open minded, accepting of others and others’ ideas but you’re not. You demand everybody think like you, like the rest of you oppressive, ignorant, intolerant bigots!

            You use pretty words like “progressive” and “forward” as political slogans to advance an agenda of backward thinking ideologues retreading oppressive, failed policies that have only ever ended in left wing collectivism. Collectivism, whether left wing or right only ends one way, with the genocide and/or enslavement of one group for the benefit of a ruling class and a ruled class, whether it’s right wing or left wing collectivism. You are repressive and regressive, in fact and as an unwavering fact of history.

            You use words like “extreme right” on those that do not agree. Up is down. The other guys are the bad guys. If we can’t force them to do as we wish, we’ll call them racists, say they don’t want anybody to have health care, don’t want grandma to get her medication, images of pushing a wheelchair ridden woman off a cliff, say they want children to starve, are against education, evil if they make a living when others do not, make immigration racist when Europeans are illegal alien, criminals, too. You live in a world where inside is out and the other guy did it, where there is no accountability and that’s how you people govern, left is right, the Constitution and Liberty are right wing concepts!

            I knew you were incapable of learning. You’re a left wing-nut!

          • julianenglish

            All you’ve proven here is that you hate liberals with a deep and abiding passion.

            You write “I knew you were incapable of learning. You’re a left wing-nut.” I believe you’re wrong. But what if you were right? What if i were completly “incapable of learning”? Who cares what jullian English can or can’t do? And who cares what “libertarian soldier” thinks? In the overall schemevof thing, both of us are nobodies. I want to discuss the issues, not rather i’m an idiot or you’re an idiot. Who cares about that?- Why is it so hard to stay on topic and argue the issues instead of attack the messenger?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I don’t hate “liberals”! I’ve only met a few people I’d call Liberal, Rand Paul, for instance, but I wouldn’t call him that because the democrats have f’ed that up for everybody calling themselves that and “progressive” in order to make people think they’re not repressive and regressive!

            As for your idiot question, I’d be happy to clear that up for you: You’re the idiot!

            ‘night!

          • losangeles.jeff

            And you’re an a-hole. Whatever your political leanings. What a complete jerk.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            How would you know?

          • losangeles.jeff

            How would I know you’re a jerk? Because every time you open your arrogant ignorant mouth you prove that point. Do you even have any friends? What a nasty abrasive attitude you have. Do you think being an azz on the internet will win over anyone to your political views? You would not know how I vote so quit trying to lump me in to your sad little pigeonholed prejudgements.

            I know you’re happy you got a tug on your months old nasty troll bait post. I just had to make clear that you’re a terrible person. I’m sure individuals from both the right and left who’ve had the displeasure of encountering you would agree. Now shoo troll. Have a nice rest of your bitter judgemental life.

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            You being devoid of a member and cranium stuck in an ill-advised endoscopy method up the colon is relatively evident by the ad hominem nature of your postings. Now how about making a point, and do it in a respectful manner? Impress me with skills. If you have any.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Put away the thesaurus. A ridiculous attempt to at trying to stilt a response to make you seem intelligent has the opposite effect. I laughed for about a minute when I saw it.

            Hey, I’m sorry if you feel insulted but that’s just how it falls. It’s not mean spirited but the next time you think to write something you believe might make you feel good about yourself, might make you seem smart to you, remember you’re not the cerebral type and the best way to show some intelligence is not to attempt to insult while complaining of being insulted and not write ignorant crap.

            That’s a dollars worth of free advise. Take it; leave it; your decision!

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            I didn’t use a Thesaurus. I merely stated my desired concept in a fashion that did not require the use of profanities. And your bodily flexibility is legendary getting your head up that far that you can view your appendix from the underside. Are you certain you can still walk in that clearly uncomfortable position?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Can’t stay on point. You’re lazy. You take the easy way. Throw some insults while you ignore how poorly you fare in an adult conversation.

            You can’t defend your lack of education, lack of knowledge, lack of critical thinking skills or your illiteracy.

            You latch on to something easy to pervert into mud slinging. That’s what got you into this. You engaged me with a laundrylist of stupid, unsubstantiated statements and said you made no assertions when confronted with facts and challenges to support your indefensible theses.

            How do you keep this up when you’re so bad at it?

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            You make a lot of unsupported assertions. Verbosity is a very impotent substitute to clarity and logic, which you are clearly deficient in. Sorry, you score no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

          • camtree8

            Not fair. A lot of people participated in the knee-jerk, completely off-the-wall reaction towards Iraq over 9/11. I still don’t full understand it regardless WMDs. However, What made Bush such an idiot, along with his administration, is that vote was based on the idea that the war would be in and out, less than one year. They turned it into some terrible, Vietnam-esque war. They wasted billions and wasted lives and wasted America.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The democrat’s (and the 5 year old’s) mantra! Not fair! Mom didn’t have that talk with you, I guess!

            OK! I’m fairly certain, “(you) I still don’t full understand it regardless WMDs.” Not understanding reading and writing is a definite disadvantage. What makes so many seem like idiots statements like, “However, What made Bush such an idiot, along with his administration, is that vote was based on the idea that the war would be in and out, less than one year.”

            First, my father was a military man during the Viet Nam police action, and conflict (not a war).

            First, with every fiber of my being, from my injuries to my soul, I disagree with just about everything and every baseless point you’ve stated in your post. There was nothing even resembling Viet Nam.

            Secondly, man brave men, women and animals died valiantly, most of them distinguishing themselves many times over! These men, especially those by my side and under me with nary an exception carried and comported themselves like American Heroes and will always have my admiration and my loyalty to their memory.

            These men, as much as any were not wasted. Until recent years when our brave soldiers have been instructed to stand down with barely authority to defend themselves, finding themselves Court Martialed, when they did, found their lives wasted by their commander in chief. For them I rail against our government.

            This, I assure you, every man, every woman and every animal lost will be found to have given all with great meaning because they died for what their country was founded on, on the rights in our Constitution, whether there are some that try to devalue their meaning.

            Not fair? Your account of the facts are unfair to the facts and the people themselves. It is only now, under this administration that we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the name of a short sighted goal of bringing our soldiers home just short of reaching our best objective, creating a failure when complete victory was apparent.

            You should do some research and get some education before you recklessly offer your uninformed opinion!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually, it’s more like finding what makes me believe what delusional, brainwashed, ideologue deniers don’t want to believe.

          • VSamuels

            Since none of these 13 attacks were scrutinized by the Democratic caucus in multiple hearing to determine cause, one must ask: How would you know what Bush said, if he did not make an official on record testimony. So, sad how you folks interpret no information, like done by the idiots on the GOP side, as proof of no wrong doing.

          • george the sceptical

            Newsmax?!!!
            BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

          • Bagga

            typical Liberal…has to have someone else do it for them..hey Mensa Man..look it up yourself!!!!!

          • Lady Willpower

            You bore me.

          • Rosie Gildenstern
          • mpast

            Prove it !!!!!!!!!!

          • Candy Peterson

            That is why they hate the voter id law,,,

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Yes, it is and that’s how they face anything, call it racist and it ends the conversation.

            Who are the real racists?

          • losangeles.jeff

            You’re the only one to even use the word “racist” on this blog you hypocrite.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Angry little troll:

            Here are the top 5 current articles that have the term, “racist” in its description on this blog:

            http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/obama-beats-racist-ferguson-cops-prediction-double/

            http://thedailybanter.com/2015/02/white-media-misses-racist-part-rudy-giulianis-anti-obama-rant/

            http://thedailybanter.com/2015/01/now-can-see-homophobic-racist-misogynist-friends-really/

            http://thedailybanter.com/2015/01/now-can-see-homophobic-racist-misogynist-friends-really/

            http://thedailybanter.com/2014/11/rudy-giuliani-goes-balls-racist-meet-press/

            That’s what you’re going with? You’re f’ing kidding, right? I’m ‘…the only one to even use the word “racist” on this blog…”? Of everything I wrote, that’s why I’m an “ahole and a “Jerk”?

            Wake up dumb 4$$! We were talking about voter ID laws. What’s your explanation for why some people want voter ID laws to stop fraudulent voting, usually perpetrated by democrats and the democrats that don’t want voter roles cleaned from illegally registered voters, people that aren’t citizens, people that aren’t really alive, people that steal voter ballots and people that vote multiple times in multiple states.

            That’s right! barack hussein obama and his Just Us Department have sued states for their voter ID and Voter verification laws, as well as Florida to stop cleaning voter roles.

            So, do you don’t think they’re calling those laws and those in favor of them “racist”? Try to keep up 4$$#)L3!

          • julianenglish

            This is absolutely untrue. Show me evidence to the contrary. And by “evidence,” I do NOT mean a quote from some conspiracy theory spouting, tin foil hat wearing bozo with a blog.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m getting a little tired of you 4$$#0L35 calling me a liar, a racist and making me do the work to prove it to you f’ing illiterates!

            Why don’t you igniant butt wipes learn to read? tin foil hat wearing bozo? You mean like that goon, vice president of yours who actually talked about wearing a tin foil hat?

            “State election officials are looking into thousands of cases where registered voters may have voted in two states or after their reported death. A report presented Wednesday by Elections Director Kim Strach to the Joint Legislative Elections Oversight Committee said 81 voters have a voter history later than the date of their death. The audit further identified 13,416 deceased voters on voter rolls in Oct. 13. The audit showed 155,692 registered North Carolina voters whose first and last names, dates of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number match those of voters registered in other states, but who most recently registered or voted elsewhere. A total of 35,750 voters with matching first and last names and date of birth were registered in North Carolina and another state, and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. Another 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, date of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number were registered and voted in the 2012 general election in North Carolina and another state…A total of 28 states participated in the crosscheck, leaving data missing from 22 other states.”

            “In 2012, nearly 7 million ballots were cast in the general and two primary elections. Of those 6,947,317 ballots, the state Board of Elections said 121 alleged cases of voter fraud were referred to the appropriate district attorney’s office. That means of the nearly 7 million votes cast, voter fraud accounted for 0.00174 percent of the ballots.”
            http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/04/03/oh-my-evidence-of-massive-voter-fraud-in-north-carolina-n1818137

          • julianenglish

            Now we know that you’re a racist pig.

          • Al Meullier

            That is a pretty shitty statement to make and it shows your ignorance. You are assuming just because someone is black they can’t think for themselves and would vote for a President just because of the color of his skin. I have met many black people throughout the U.S. who don’t like Obama and shocker, did not vote for him. On the other hand, somehow, you in your ivory towers know all but still you keep voting against your own interest, giving more money to the rich and keeping the poor, poorer, all the while not realizing that someone has to buy your shit for you to make more money! Imagine that! Now who is voting with a lack of substance?

          • Bagga

            “im black”..black what? you’re an Egyptian? Moroccan?? Libyian???? Algerian???????? Indian?????????? please…educate me on this “black” thing??? …how many “races” on this planet..(I know trick question to you conservatives) —“black”..you wheel that like a six shooter..must be a magic word??????

            “a mind is a terrible thing to waste”

            Theodore Roosevelt’s ideas on immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

            “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and
            assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
            hmmmmm… no mention of that magic word!!!! you do know..”Black” is NOT a color????????

          • Lady Willpower

            Go sit in the corner.

          • Bagga

            public school education?…does that pass for witticism in your circles? you are no erudite!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Lady Willpower

            You’re just babbling now.

          • julianenglish

            By 2040 America will be more brown than white. Do make sure your kids learn spanish.

            Culture changes, it evolves over time. Nostalgic bigots who want to freeze time in the 1950s, when old white dudes were the undisputed king, are in for a rude awakening.

          • Bagga

            hahahahahaha Brown is the new black..OK!! …hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahah
            a little history lesson..mmmmkay!!
            the United States declared its independence in 1776!!!! what was the next country to do so???…………………………………Haiti!!!!
            one country put a man on the Moon…the other….dosent have indoor plumbing!!!!!!!
            see Detroit!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahHAHAHA

          • Lady Willpower

            Now you’re just resorting to pure racism and eugenics-type bullshit. Good for you. Run on that platform in 2016, pretty please?

          • Bagga

            No Margret Sanger is YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!???????

          • Al Meullier

            I can’t wait! I love pissing off those who are unwilling to change with society, usually Republicans, Tea Partiers or Libertarians. Just wait until there is a 2nd Democrat in the Whitehouse in 2016. Maybe then they will realize that platitudes don’t increase altitude! They need to really elevate themselves to the level higher than roadkill or pondscum, which is the level they continuously operate at. I do take comfort that the population will be dying out over the next 30 years, lets just hope their kids have rebelled and realized that you need to learn to play well with others. On another note, Libertarians should just call themselves what they really are, Free Market Anarchists with a dream that will never come to fruition unless you live in the book by Ayn Rand, someone who didn’t understand a damn thing about how the world works, i.e. multiple variables, decision makers, organizational systems, etc. Some things just can’t be simplified, Sorry, Republicans!

          • julianenglish

            Very well said, Al. Thx.

          • VSamuels

            Millions of whites, maintain their ethnic identity and have jealously done so for centuries here in the US. Your rant is a bunch of self righteous blabbering and nonsense. The problem is not that some blacks express a pride in their ethnicity, the problem is your racial fear and misinterpreting such pride, as somehow being against you.

          • Bagga

            Like a true Grubber..you missed my point entirely…..try reading comprehension…then get back to me when you can understand and respond to my point!!????

          • VSamuels

            Silly boy, you advanced an impotent opinion—and just because you wish to regard it as being substantiated as fact, doesnt make it so or your irrational understanding of Immigrants.

            I have no problem seeing the polluted water in your glass, its no mystery and neither is the fear.

          • julianenglish

            “And your familiar defense of name calling and personal debasement reveals your ignorance.”

            You don’t see any irony here?

          • julianenglish

            The above comment:
            A) is wrong
            B) is hypocritical
            C) contains an ad hominen
            D) all of the above

        • B Manz

          And endlessly defending proven liars is also evidence of insanity. Keep it up.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Was that a question?

        • Mark

          The lack of evidence is evidence itself don’t you know.

      • terry seale

        You live in Miami, don’t you?

      • julianenglish

        Evidence? Oh, right. It’s the LACK of evidence that proves your point. How conveeenient.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      They don’t require proof of a crime to prosecute…….they make it up as they go. Hence, we are still talking about Benghazi, and they will ride this to impeachment.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        ???

      • JoseCuervo

        An impeachment that will never happen.

        • Steve Karper

          But it fires up the base of extremist repubs to create more hatred of our first black president

          • Libertarian Soldier

            1st, he’s less than half black. His father was part arab. His mother was all white.

            2nd, the republicans aren’t any kind of extreme. They are cowards! They are left wing-lite cowards according to the real political spectrum.

            They have become left of the Constitution and are hardly different than the extremist democrats that run the big government country. They are less than the principles that our founders believed in and tyranny we are now under tried from which they tried to protect us.

            Shame on the democrats and the republicans that have so forsaken the concept of liberty, that call agree with the left speak that allows them to be called and even calls themselves “the right”!

            While Liberty, Freedom and our Constitution are certainly not left wing concepts, they are most definiteyl not right wing concepts the likes of which are Nazism, Monarchism, Fascism, islamism and any other autocratic, authoritarian, totalitarian, collectivist ideologies that are more like the democrats’ left wing collectivism and the current islamocentric, imperialistic government than those that believe in Liberty.

          • Jay

            I would argue that the “right wing” is NOT “Nazism, Monarchism ect.” The further right you go the further towards Libertarianism you might go. Look at it like full control to the left and no control to the right. Anarchy is obviously too far right but the founders wanted as little government as they could get away with without anarchy.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You know, I’ve never thought of it that way! That’s kind of uniquely interesting if you look at it the way you do. It makes perfect sense to you. Sounds great to you; doesn’t it?

            I guess you’d have to create your own political spectrum by your own beliefs. Why hold on to the preconceptions of educated people when the answer is simple? Just ask you!

          • Lionel Dube

            For the love of God, are you people ever going to understand that he is genuinely disliked for his politics and not the color of his skin?? He has done more to drag this country down than ANY President in history and some morons still think his heritage has anything to do with it

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        • losangeles.jeff

          10 months later, and the idiot hypocrites are trying AGAIN with the Benghazi.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            10 months later and your government, its party and the propaganda ministry are still hiding the evidence and still threatening witnesses.

            Just a heads-up, they never stopped working on it and the islamocentric government, it’s party and its propaganda ministry haven’t continued to hide the facts.

            You’re the epitome of the low information, know nothing voter, if you even vote.

          • losangeles.jeff

            Nobody’s hiding evidence. There’s just no crime to prosecute. Morons like you swallow the latest Fox conspiracy du jour because you have no brains.

            You still looking for that birth certificate Looneytunes Soldier? Better tighten up the tinfoil or the liberal media will read your thoughts.

            On the contrary I bet you totally supported Bush throughout 13 Benghazis and 60+ dead, two diplomats included. You’ve got no problem with that right hypocrite? Not even the need for one committee much less the 7 you need for this administration.

            You have zero credibility with your pathetic conspiracy talk. Now go spend the rest of the day reading more Alex Jones.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Only one Benghazi. If you read the whole thread, I’ve explained why the idea that there’s no more than 1 Benghazi and that all of these Bull$#!+ comparisons are just that.

          • JoseCuervo

            ” Second, I don’t rely on Fox for my news and if I did, they might be one of a very few that do the job of the people, even though they are
            not always right. At least they report it. Most under-report, fail to report or spin the facts. ”

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA FOx Reports news he says.. Guy..Fox News second largest co owner and controlling shareholder is a Shariah loving Muslim , Prince AL Waleed bin Talal.Remember a few years ago when TEa parties were protesting the “terror” Mosque in NY? the one Fox News was reporting on 24/7.. who do you think funded the mosque? Well, Fox News own Prince Al Waleed.

            “As noted in The (U.K.) Guardian, Alwaleed
            told an audience in Dubai that it took just one phone call to Rupert Murdoch – “speaking not as a shareholder but as a viewer,” Alwaleed said – to get the Fox News crawl reporting “Muslim riots” in France changed to “civil riots.”

            Fox news care to report it and not spin the facts he says HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

            “You said, “Nobody’s hiding evidence.” Prove i”

            The HPSCI report which echoes the Accountability Review Board for Benghazi and a bipartisan U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, concluded:

            [T]he CIA ensured sufficient security for CIA facilities in Benghazi ;and, without a requirement to do so, ably and bravely assisted the State Department on the night of the attacks. Their actions saved lives.Appropriate U.S. personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night, and the Committee found no evidence that there was either a stand
            down order or a denial of available air support. The Committee, however, received evidence that the State Department security personnel,
            resources, and equipment were unable to counter the terrorist threat that day and required CIA assistance.

            Second, the Committee finds that there was no intelligence failure prior to the attacks. In the months prior, the IC provided intelligence about previous attacks and the increased threat environment in Benghazi, but the IC did not have specific, tactical warning of the September 11 attacks.

            12.cdn.turner.c o m/cnn/2014/images/11/21/benghazi. report. p d f

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          • Libertarian Soldier

            democrats and repulicrats!

          • JoseCuervo

            That report is wrong he said… but you… mr Libertarian soldier internet nobody, you know the truth… hahahahahahahahahahahaha what a hoot…..

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I feel a type of insanity to know you steal valor and call yourself a marine and start the fagotry. I’m embarrassed that you picked the Marines to impersonate.

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO…poor baby. Want a napkin? Are you able to sleep at night? or do you keep an eye out for the fagotry apocalypse?

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Fake! You’re no Marine! You’re an impostor. Which of the village people are you?

          • JoseCuervo

            I am the one called Libertarian Solider… the one with the stick up his ass.

          • losangeles.jeff

            “islamocentric government”

            I thought he was a socialist? Or a communist? Now he’s islamocentric? Which is it, conspiracy nutter? I bet you have to sleep with a nightlight because you’re afraid of the commies and socialists hiding under your bed.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually, there’s no evidence that you’ve thought about anything. If you knew anything about real politics, the true political spectrum, you’d know how similar left wing and right wing collectivism really is. The left wing democrats have gone so far left that Kennedy would have been embarrassed for you.

            Left and right wing collectivism both believe they are the purest from of democracy, the epitome of democracy if you’ve read the doctrines of fascism and communism. Collectivism, right or left, always ends the same way, with the enslavement and/or genocide of one group in favor of another, a ruled class and a ruling class.

            Factually, the democrat party cult are socialists and they’re not hiding under the bed. They’re right out front.

            Right now, today, some of the sober minded democrats are understanding that the anti-Christian and antisemitic, islamocentric government may actually be doing all they can to cover for islam. That’s because they are. They’ve been stupidly, blindly following the former Senator that went to Africa, on the United States of America’s dime, to campaign for his cousin, a head of the muslim brotherhood. His own brother is factually the head of the muslim brotherhood where he lives and his funding comes from the barack hussein obama 501 C3.

            Would it surprise you that Malik obama has joined Hammas and called for the destruction of Israel? Did you know that? I’m the moron, the hypocrite, whatever else you’ve called me to compensate for whatever it is you’re lacking?

            Here’s a nickels worth of free advice: You should do less illiterate writing and more reading.

          • JoseCuervo

            “blindly following the former Senator that went to Africa, on the United States of America’s dime, ”

            STFU…. Laura Bush has gone to Africa when she was 1st Lady, on our tax payers dime, more times than Obama ever has. You are a fool. I et you are one of those people that complain about Obamas golfing….which is hilarious when you consider Bush was on vacations 1,020 days.

            “Factually, the democrat party cult are socialists and they’re not hiding under the bed”

            hey , if you don’t like socialism , please don’t file for social security or medicare… and stop using our roads and highways and public parks…. and if your house catches fire.. don’t call the fire department… call a private Fire Dpt company if you can find one.. cause.. socialishum….

            Teabag logic.

            If your brother does something across the world? you automatically are guilty with him.

            ” This money is used to promote islamic beliefs like plural marriage (in
            this case men marrying many, engaging in pedophelia and many wives”

            Are we talking about Arabs or Mormons?

            You write a lot of word with no substance behind it. Ironically you tell this guy to repeat 4th grade but it is you that sound like an immature child with tourretes syndrome. 4 words followed by an insult….

            #47traitors

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Biggest pile of subterfuge and obfuscation ever. Change the subject! Make something up! AQct like you know something when you’re among the most dis-informed, mis-educated, uneducated dolts around and hey, tell me to STFU! Priceless.
            Say whatever ridiculous bull$#!+ you can think of and call it a win! Delusional! That’s your learning disability. You think that calling me names and baseless disparaging, throwing around a lot of unsubstantiated accusations and Wow! Feel really good about how smart you’re not!

            I’m not going to tell you to STFU unless I’m face to face with you and I support and have served for decades in support of your right to say the stupidest things imaginable of which you’ve taken such full advantage but here’s some free advice:

            Next time you think making $#!+ up, repeating stupid things you’ve heard and trying to make someone else, smarter, more informed, better educated and likely your superior at every level, perhaps you should keep it to yourself so you don’t confirm what you’re afraid everybody thinks of you.

            You’re ill equipped to tell anybody they can’t be taken seriously.

          • JoseCuervo

            I adress your points directly, no subject changing…

            ‘Im not going to tell you to STFU unless I’m face to face”

            Trust me , you would not want to little man.

            ” I support and have served for decades in support of your right to say the
            stupidest things”

            I have also served and it is a shame I have fought for your right to say the more asinine dumb sht I have seen on the internet today. Semper Fi Oorah!

            “Next time you think making $#!+ up,”

            Prove me wrong, I have facts and sources to back up anything I say…..all you are doing is moving your piss flaps with no sources, without adding anything of substance..as I said.. a child with tourrettes syndrome..Stupid nudnick

            #47traitors

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Still wrong! You think I’m little? You’re on the west coast or east coast? I know you’re not in the middle, unless you’re in Chicago.

            We can meet up see how little I am! I’m usually the biggest guy in the room, wherever I go. I don’t mean fat.

          • JoseCuervo

            Look at the internet warrior… he wants to meet up. If I give you an address, will you show up little man? Are you really that stupid you suggested a meet? with a stranger on the internet…? HAHAHAHAHAHA F Hilarious……… yeah I am peeing myself…….. of laughter…. what a reet.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I don’t believe you’re anything more than a 4′-nothing little troll. I know, I have credentials. Let’s meet at a base of your choice and I’ll have someone seal a warehouse for us. We’ll see what kind of Marine you are. Probably aqua marine!

            Exactly! Peeing your self!

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh So I’m a midget now? hilarious. Ok want to meet me Saturday at the stumps? lets say 6 am? Make sure not to eat 1st , would not want you puking all over my floor.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            I’m from the 2/5, originally, the 3/5 for a while before going to Unified at Kelley, in Stuttgart and went up the chain. Never met a real Marine that writes, “Oorah!”

            It’s bad form to question a man’s service but where were you and how long?

          • JoseCuervo

            Yup, it’s bad form and none of your business. I appreciate my privacy. now go f yourself.

          • JoseCuervo

            It changes from week to week

          • JoseCuervo

            HAHAHAHA 3 Benghazi Republican investigations… all failing to find proof of any wrong doing.. and this guy is still crying… but hey , you guys are used to failure…They have tried to repeal ACA 48 times by now and they fail every time…..

            Islamocentric he says.. too funny… no one can take you seriously guy, you are a clown.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            How would you know? You haven’t been right about anything yet!

          • JoseCuervo

            The reports PDF are available to anyone with an internet connection.

            The GOP has failed to repeal ACA 48 times, this is public knowledge HAHAHAHAHAHA you are adorable.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Got one post half right! The GOP did make a lot of attempts to repeal the (un)Affordable Care(less) Act. I doubt that they brought it to vote 54 times.

            You like to talk like a girl. “Cute”, “adorable…” I don’t swing that way. Don’t get involved in democrat practices, certainly not fagotry. Run along now, hose bag!

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh look at you , I can tell you are very insecure of yourself with your forced bigotry.

            ” I doubt that they brought it to vote 54 times.” of course you do, you are too stupid to do a simple internet search

            Let me teach you… paste the below on google.

            The House has voted 54 times in four years on Obamacare. Here’s the full list. washington post.

            Also I demand to see Ted Cruz’s borth… oh wait… we all know he was born in canada eh!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Let’s test that. Oh, you know, that works. It works just like you said, except that 54 times is the number of times the (un)AC(less)A has been voted on, not how many times it’s been voted on for repeal, 4$$hole.

          • JoseCuervo

            Its adorable how you go out of your way to type Hussein Obama……
            Oh an internet troll is calling me a poser…. ohh nooooo… what should I do to restore my honor? LMAO….. grow up.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            FAG! Your effeminate writing sickens me. That’s how I know you’re not a Marine and you’re probably a midget, still in school, up in your bedroom, mom calling you to come down and eat. You call me little man! I’m fairly certain you’re not a man yet and you’re not going to be a real one, if you ever get there.

            A troll is calling me a troll! FAG!

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO…. you sound like a mentally challenged child with tourrette syndrome.. look at you with the mom jokes….please don’t have kids little guy.

          • Jerry

            You need to be informed, sir. 6. yes 6, committees have investigated the Benghazi “conspiracy” and all 6 reached the same conclusions–nothing criminal, or out of the way, was done either by anyone in the administration, or the State Department that was cause for any prosecution of anyone. In fact, what was found to be accurate was that reinforcements did arrive before the attack began and more than 30 people were SAVED that night. Further, had the Ambassador not demanded to wait until he was sure all under him were secure, in all probability all of them would have made it out alive that night. What we need to be doing is praising the bravery and effectiveness of those that night responsible for getting so many out alive and having ONLY 4 Americans killed rather than continuing on with yet another committee just to make the potential Democratic presidential candidate look bad politically. If you know anything about politics, you should easily understand that this is no longer a legitimate investigation–those have already been done. It is purely politics now, and anyone who thinks differently doesn’t deserve any more replies. You obviously don’t understand anything clearly.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Same investigation, over 6 committees, over 2 Congress’ investigation. Never has the issue been concluded. Some portions of the issue have been inexplicably reported on but wishing it to be more than one investigation doesn’t make it so.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Wrong! Six hearings. Not 6 investigations. Not the same thing.

            You couldn’t be more wrong about anything if you tried, with superhuman efforts and you seem to be trying pretty hard!

            A group of diplomats and a few soldiers (one of which I call a good friend, a fellow Marine that served with and under me at United, with Delta, at Kelley) from Tripoli, Libya, against orders, chartered a plane to go to Benghazi, Libya.

            They gave assistance and support to the security team extracting and escorting personnel from the Annex almost a day after the first of 4 engagements. They also retrieved the Rone and G-Bub’s bodies and gave assistance to Tanto and got Oz out of there. I’m not certain what’s going on with him, now but the last I heard, he might lose the use of his arm, altogether. All of these guys trained or worked at one time or other out of Kelley.

            Long story short, I appreciate your right to give your opinion but I suggest you shut your mouth when you talk about this issue because you know very close to nothing if not nothing at all.

            The state department people fell back to the annex. The annex was not, I repeat, not responsible for the “mission post”, “diplomatic post”, whatever you want to call it. It was certainly not an embassy and the security, according to a marine friend is that they had virtually no security, nothing more than a couple of RSOs and no weapons at the gate. There were absolutely no on duty officers at this diplomatic post and there’s always a reason for that. Everybody know’s Chris was moving something on steamships in Sea Containers, everybody!.

            The diplomatic post called for airships; the annex called for airships and all they got was drones. Somebody’s sitting on video of these attacks. The State Department, from the siutation room, in the White House was tapping the State Department cell phones in real-time while ansar al shariah, usama bin laden’s re-branded al qaida was using them to report to their al qaida handlers. It’s all a matter of record.

            Those guys that responded, against orders from Tripoli, Libya Benghazi, Libya, for mop up did so at their own risk and some were demoted for it.

            Watch some CSPAN. Greg HIcks and Eric Nordstrom were threatened with possible prison and loss of pension but became whistleblowers, anyway and faced reprisal for talking to Congress when they were ordered not to.

            You’re backwards!

        • Libertarian Soldier

          It will never happen! What does the imperialistic, lyin’ king have to do to get impeached?

          • losangeles.jeff

            You know absolutely nothing about a real impeachable offense. You turds have been crying to impeach Obama from the start and it will never happen because he hasn’t done anything to justify it.

            Bush the war criminal surely deserved to be tried for war crimes though, and you’re fine with that. Just not a president who keeps us out of further ground wars and turns the economy around.

            Those douches on this page advertising the love spells have more credibility than you.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Angry are we?

            Name your war crimes. Factually, the Congress of the United States voted to go to war, 77-23, from the democrat dominated Senate, alone. Name your war crimes.

            You know absolutely nothing of my knowledge of impeachable offenses. That makes you ignorant. I know the Constitution from front to back by heart. It includes acts of treason, none of which Nixon was charged. This pResident could easily be convicted in his after the fact, manufactured excuse to go to war to depose Qaddafi, claiming that he was “masacring” his citizen while CIA operatives, on the ground objected that no such thing was happening or had happened.

            You want to get into dictatorial war criminals? barack hussein obama and his secretary paid and armed al qaida to overthrow Qaddafi for the muslim brotherhood.

            Qaddafi, an ally to barack hussein obama and his secretary, clinton ii and not at all a very good person was demanding gold for oil.

            On the falacy of a masacre of his citizens, on this farce alone, barack hussein obamaq called in NATO to bomb, give air support and cover fire for ansar al shariah, usama bin laden’s re-branded al qaida. The Qaddafi family was raped and executed at the hands of the United States backed, funded and aided assassins and all of this was done without the approval of Congress.

            Look up treason, high crimes, misdemeanors. Then look up Article II, Section 3, the Take Care Clause of the Constitution. Forget about the many obstructions of justice, all of which easily overshadow the two of which were articles of impeachment charged against Nixon or the third, of which the use of government entities to oppress citizens and groups, another of the three articles of impeachment used against Nixon, something that he wanted to do and never actually did.

            You can forget misdemeanors and go straight to “high crimes”, of which there are many. Let’s just go with failure to faithfully enforce the law and the “take care” clause of the Constitution. If that were a Bomb, it’d yield a mushroom cloud the likes of which would pale Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

          • JoseCuervo

            Gotta love how teabags like to write Obamas full name as if Barack Obama was not Muslim sounding enough. You people are so cute.

            He knows the constitution front to back.. lmao .. so cute….High crimes he says… hilarious…. Obama will not be impeached… ever….. deal with it.

            “Name your war crimes. .Explain how that makes President Bush a ware criminal. You can’t”

            If you read Section 3, paragraph B, of the Congressional authorization for force
            that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. Bush was required to
            prove to Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN
            Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of
            mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind
            9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and
            discredited.

            Therefore, under United States law, the war in Iraq is illegal. And We The People are not under any legal or
            moral obligation to pay for it, let alone let our kids be
            killed in it.

            If anything, Bush and his pro-war Neocon buddies should
            be required to reimburse the treasury for their private
            use of government property.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            What is your fixation with the word “cute”?

            Since we can’t say “wrong again” when you uninformed, ignorant ideologues snivel about investigations and how many times it is that one actually goes on, I’m going to have to say, since you haven’t been right about anything you’ve said, still wrong, perpetually wrong!

            In the last sobering part of his statement, Bush told everyone that voted, when he made his case to go into Iraq that it wouldn’t matter whether there were WMDs or not, that removing Saddam Hussein was a worthy cause and everybody, including most democrats voted yea. In the Senate, run by the democrats, the vote went 77-23.

            I’m no apologist for Bush but you 4$$#0L35 need to get out of the way back machine and get with it. Going on 7 years in office, you can’t continue to blame Bush for the laundry-list of failures perpetrated by this islamocentric, imperialistic, antisemitic, Anti-Christian, Anti-American, Anti-Constitutional tyrant.

            If you want to be taken seriously, don’t read democrat party cult propaganda and try not to talk about that of which you know nothing.

            Only an idiot could call a response to this pResident’s unilateral easing of Congressionally legislated, UN and NATO resolved sanctions on Iran, freeing up $8 Billion of frozen assets a traitorous act! Take Care Clause violation, aaaagain!

            I’m hearing all that crap about the Logan Act! Only a moron that hasn’t read the Logan Act could conflate that with the open letter sent to Iran. Like I said, the letter was a good idea but it was sent to the wrong islamocentric recipient. It should have been sent to the one in the White House.

            barack hussein obama, not George Bush, not the 47 people that disapprove of this pResident unilaterally easing, breaking or in any way changing or negotiating any spinning centrifuge for any reason according to UN Resolution 1696 and the 2012 in which barack hussein obama’s personally sponsored Iran for relaxing of sanctions in a 6 part resolution by the UN Security Council.

            This tyrant took matter into his own hands to free Billions of dollars and to relax sanctions against iran, forcing the UN to negotiate its suspension of uranium enrichment. barack hussein obama has compromised the leverage once held by the UN regarding nuclear threats and now seeks to negotiate to compromise it further. Iran must not ever become nuclear so the idea of negotiating any more than 0 centrifuges should not even be a matter of discussion and is a weakened negotiating point. This was and should return to be nonnegotiable status.

            Sanctions should be reimposed and heightened to the point before or more strenuous but at least to the point that forced Iran to the table to begin with, before barack hussein obama earned his world renowned skills at negotiating for the other side. We can’t keep giving away the store when the stakes are so high.

            How anybody thinks this is a good idea is beyond my understanding but that’s OK because anybody that thinks its a good idea doesn’t have a rational understanding of the situation.

            I’m waiting for a first policy, either domestically or globally from this administration that is good for the country.

            So, while you’re calling frustrated, well meaning people, simply trying to curb this tyrant’s ill-conceived, disastrous attempts at simultaneous antisemitic and pro-islamic foreign policy traitors, you should be pointing them at the guy that kicked all this crap off, specifically barack hussein obama.

          • Jerry

            An impeachable offense for Bush, or war crimes he committed. Easy; he told bold faced lies to Congress and the American people in order to get permission from Congress to invade a sovereign nation (Iraq) under false pretenses. His administration gave the go ahead to use torture as defined by the Geneva Convention to interrogate prisoners captured during the war. There are still some nations considering bringing war crime charges against Bush and some of his cabinet. As for Nixon, he sabotaged peace treaty negotiations between the U.S., North and South Vietnam while RUNNING for office by promising the President of South Vietnam a better deal once he was elected. The result? Over 22,000 more Americans killed in the Vietnam War than were necessary along with thousands more wounded for life and unknown thousands of citizens in Vietnam killed, too. Bush’s lies have resulted in over 7,000 American lives lost, many more thousands with life long injuries, suicides by returning soldiers, and over 200,000 civilian deaths in Iraq. There is supporting evidence that clearly shows that President Bush had reports telling him that claims of Suddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction, and/or sites in his country producing such were false and untrue. In fact, the portion of the CIA report he read to Congress on national television while addressing Congress that stated Hussein had possible sites where such weaponry was being produced had a paragraph right below the one he read that stated while it was possible that was true, the evidence overwhelmingly suggested that none of those sites were being used for such purpose, and any reports they were came from unreliable sources. If that is not an impeachable offense, then we have no need for any impeachment of any president. Not only have thousands of American families been severely affected needlessly and many times that many of Iraqi families, but we also have now encouraged many splinter terrorist groups to emerge in the Middle East with hatred towards us and our citizens and who will be fighting us for decades due to our invasion of Iraq and subsequent fallout from it. That alone will likely make Bush go down in history as one of our worse presidents ever. Obama may not be far behind him, but almost certainly has to rank above him for now, at least.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Here’s my response to your babbling: NO! Just no! Irrelevant, baseless, unsubstantiated. More Blah, blah! You’re terrible at this.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You know nothing. Period!

          • JoseCuervo

            No one can take you seriously when you call the president of the United States a King or Imperialist while we are at it.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Get mom or the teacher to read it to you and explain it. Read the thread. Look up what this imperialistic, lyin’ king is doing.

            Ever hear of the Constitution of the United States of America? Go get mom or the teacher to explain it to you.

            Have her look up Article I Section 1; Article II, Section 1; Article II, Section 3, also known as the “Take Care Clause”. If you’re able to comprehend those concepts before junior high, I’ll explain it to you and I’ll be certain to use small words and give definitions.

            You’re going to tell me whether I can be taken seriously? F’ing retard!

          • JoseCuervo

            Woah, look at that string of buzzwords you learned from the tea party manual

            You quoting the “Take Care Clause: without context is the cutest thing you have done so far.
            Especially when our previous President defecated all over it…Is a Teabag really trying to pull “ever hear of the Constitution” on me? Hilarious……. you are adorable.

            yes , you can’t be taken seriously… even your attempt at humor is a big fail.

            #47traitors.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            What buzzword?

            Context is irrelevant concerning the Constitution, particularly concerning the “Take Care Clause”. It is what it is and it’s very clear, unambiguous and with exacting specificity. Anybody that believes differently is misinformed and/or an idiot Activist judges make the same mistake. There shouldn’t be such a thing as an activist judge. The law is and should be dispassionate.

            The former President, in my opinion made some huge mistakes. That’s the problem with the GOP. They’re just the left wing-lite wing of the democrat party. The best thing about them is they’re not full blown members of the democrat party cult.

            If you’re comparing the former and current executives, the current craps more, more often and more crappily than any other, ever. That’s a fact. Even democrats know that.

            A Teabag is an inadequate object. If you’re trying to disparage the TEA Party, that’s hardly original. While I’m not a member of that party, at least they’re not democrats.

            Yeah, no! You’re going to have to explain to me how the 47 that signed that ill advised, open letter to Iran are traitors. The letter was a good idea but it was sent to the wrong party or parties. You think you know something. You continue to prove with every single point you fail to make that you don’t.

          • JoseCuervo

            No one can take you seriously when you say Context is irrelevant.

            “A Teabag is an inadequate object. If you’re trying to disparage the TEA Party, that’s hardly original. ”

            Says the guy who’s only talking points are found in the the Tea Party Manual., the guy who only has a srinkg of strawman ad hominem attacks one after the other….. hilarious.

            “You’re going to have to explain to me how the 47 that signed that ill advised, open letter to Iran are traitors”

            If I have to explain this to you, you are dumber than I thought. as I said.. you write a lot of words with no substance behind them.

            It is beyond embarrasing when Iran has to educate US senators about basic Constitutional knowledge

            Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said he was astonished: “Some members of the US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President
            ( this is pretty much treason) and administration.. He said the 47 senators who signed the letter “not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy” “in our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy.”

            He is right…. straight right wing propaganda…just because…. Barack Hussein Obama.

            The main point here is that letter, makes the process sound mush easier than it is.

            “You continue to prove with every single point you fail to make that you don’t.:

            LMAO.. you are so cute. Words with no substance at all, especially since I have sources and you.. just your fact less opinions amazing you believe your own BS.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!

            Prove treason! Just because the inflammatory White House is collecting signatures for a petition to charge treason, complete with a bull$#!+, misrepresentation and factually fallacious explanation of the Logan Act doesn’t make it so. It just shows how divisive this tyrant is!

            You sure like to say “cute”!

            Do you really thing I care what an Iranian zealot says about the understanding of our Constitution?

            It appears one of us is an idiot. Read the Logan Act. Get your dumb 4$$es in the White House to read and word their solicitation for signatures on their petition to charge these U.S. citizen — acting with(out) official U.S. authority. It appears that if you believe that Congressional Law Makers, who passed legislation for sanctions against Iran are in any way acting illegally when it has been this pResident who has unilaterally taken it upon himself to relax sanctions legislated by Congress and signed into law by another President, without changing the law, who do you think is failing to follow the law? Do you think it’s the guy circumventing the law he has an obligation to faithfully enforce or the Lawmakers that are informing the nationstate of the unauthorized negotiation under our law and our Constitution according to the “Take Care Clause”?

            You’re an idiot and I’m done with you. You have to be right, at least once in a while. I’m not a special ed teacher and my efforts to educate left wing ideologues seems to always end in arguing the same point over and over because your emotion based learning disabilities are so ingrained in you from your indoctrination system that used to educate our young but now just indoctrinates them with left wing-nut disinformation from big government, its party and its propaganda ministry. You can’t be educated because you’re programmed from K-6, in your case, then 7-12 and what passes for higher education, later. Its’ sort of not your fault but if you want to get involved in real political theory and ideology, you have to be willing to actually learn instead of deflecting the information.

            By the way, except for islam, there is no right wing of any consequence in America. While Freedom, Liberty, Personal Responsibility and Personal Sovereignty are far from left wing concepts, everything that isn’t left wing isn’t necessarilly right wing. Right wing is monarchism, Nazism, Fascism, islamism and any other autocratic, authoritarian, totalitarian collectivism and ideology.

            The Constitution, Freedom, Liberty, Personal Choice, Personal Responsibility, Personal Sovereignty are not that!

            Life is good! Get one!

          • Jerry

            First of all, the White House DID NOT initiate a petition to have the 47 Senators who signed the letter to Iran. It is a petition TO the White House which requires a response if over 100,000 people sign it. The last tally I saw was in excess of 270,000 though it could well be over 300,000 now. Secondly, it isn’t just the Iranians who have complained about legitimacy of the letter–there are other nations involved in the negotiation of this treaty, too. Russia, China, Germany and another besides Iran and the United States are involved in trying to work out the treaty. Each has commented that those Senators broke International Law in drafting, signing and sending the letter. When it comes to international treaties, International Law trumps our constitution and the constitutions/documents that govern the domestic policies of individual nations. That only makes sense since no two governments in the world have identical governing documents. Finally, while the extreme conservatives currently serving in Congress may not fit your definition of Far Right Wingers, they are by comparison severely right of any group of representatives and senators that have served in Congress in recent history, at least. Also, our constitution was not written and signed by strictly conservative individuals with totally conservative views. In their day, most would be considered liberals. The separation of church and state was not intended solely for any one faith, either, but rather to insure freedom of being able to practice religion of any faith, or non at all, without the government being able to prosecute or imprison individuals for doing so. Remember, many who came here from Europe were doing so to be able to practice Christianity in ways other than dictated by the Roman Catholic Church, or the Church of England. Others came that were non-Christians of other faiths, and some that were of no religion of any kind. Some of our founding fathers we recognize as heroes were not religious at all such as Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine. There were both those that favored slavery and those opposed to it, and some of the constitution was worded to appease both sides and argued over quite a bit. One thing that goes unnoticed by many purporting to stand by the constitution was the inclusion of ways to amend and change it to adapt to future generations and changes in the country and world. They had the foresight to realize major changes would make some parts of the original document obsolete, unnecessary, or outright ridiculous in years to come, but they also made it difficult to do so as not to have trivial amendments added to it. I doubt any of our founding fathers ever envisioned the type of weapons we now have available for either our military or individuals, for example. If so, I expect the 2nd Amendment would have been worded differently though I have no idea how exactly they would have done it. Even the 1st Amendment possibly would have been reworded to be more specific, and possibly more restrictive????? Everything else aside, the Obama Administration has made some positive and good things like all other presidents. It has also done some things that weren’t so great–again like all others. The balance of good over bad will be determined in time as are all others. One thing is pretty certain, however, this administration has had to deal with probably the worse ever Congress, and faced more adamant obstruction by the opposing party of any president in my lifetime. That anything positive has been accomplished is remarkable in itself; if it proves that several were, then it is even more remarkable. What’s sad, though, is if nothing changes politically when the next president is elected, there will be just as much resistance from whichever is the opposing party still. The Republicans have started a precedent during this administration that will carry over to the next one as well. Don’t believe the Democrats will be in any mood to cooperate with a Republican president if that is who is elected, and the Republicans have already shown that they are not going to treat the proposed front runner for the Democrats any better than they have this one. If this continues, it will take a strong 3rd party to emerge that has the best interests of America at heart over the interests of a party to keep us a country by 2020, or 2018. We cannot keep going the way we are and exist much longer.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            First off, go to the White House web page. It’s right there, front and center, first page, first article, a solicitation to charge the 47, including a count of how many signatures and the goal.

            Do you get tired of being wrong? 270,000! Surely there are more idiots than that!

            Seriously, you think China’s, Russia’s or Germany’s opinion of that mis-addressed letter carries weight?

            As far as I’m concerned, this pResident is involved in a unilateral action outside the law. This pResident has broken the law, freeing frozen assets in the amount exceeding $11 Billion, with a “B”, unilaterally right when iran was begging to negotiate. This pResident has relaxed other sanctions agreed on in NATO and the UN because he’s hard up to leave office with something that isn’t a disaster or won’t be overturned by the courts.

            barack hussein obama is a narcissist that shows how bad our education system is if this guy was lecturing our kids about Constitutional Law. This anti-Semite, anti-Christian, anti-Constitutional, anti-Amnerican doesn’t seem to have a clue what he’s doing and how bad a precedent he’s setting. What happens if the republican goons get into office and say what’s good for the goose is good for the gander? What if a republican executive uses this kind of sweeping overreach? Did you think it’s a coincidence the republicans haven’t impeached him? It’s not just because he’s part black, even if that’s a part of it.

            I’m not even going to bother explaining the political spectrum to a political illiterate. Get mom or the special ed teacher to read and explain the whole thread to you so I don’t have to waste my time trying to educate the emotion based, left wing indoctrinated, learning disabled (that’s you). You democrat party cult trolls have taken way too much of my time, already.

            Here’s a nickles worth of free advice: Get somebody to read and explain it to you. When you get to high school, perhaps you can read some political theory and ideology. I’m getting very tired of Google and Wikipedia responses that know less than they used to teach us when I was in high school.

            Let me give you a hint. You don’t have to go far to find that aside from islam, there is not only not any “Far Right Wingers”, the republican party is solidly a left wing entity and you’re conflating those that less left wing than the bulk of both of the major parties with the right wing of the political spectrum. You and your creed, sir, know very little.

            You also seem not to know that any treaty signed by our executive must be ratified. This pResident seems to believe he might not only unilaterally nullify the legislation signed into law by a former President, legislated and passed by Congress but may validate aqnd formalize a treaty by executive fiat, as he has attempted to do in order to make an end run around the 2nd Amendment, in the past and has done, against existing law in reference to naturalization laws. While you’re crying about and fallaciously misrepresenting Constitutionalism for some Far Right Wing conspiracy, you democrats have lost your souls if you’ve become the party of tyrannical big government.

            Here’s a tid bit of information, since you seem not to know, while you, and I’m laughingly thinking of you telling me that you’re somehow going to inform me aobut something on another of your insane posts:

            The Constitution empowers the President to commit the United States to treaties (T/F)? That’s a big True! You get that one right! Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! The executive may negotiate and commit the country to a treaty only with the advice and consent of two-thirds of the US Senate, and only if the agreement does not contravene the Constitution (T/F). Since this pResident and you democrats seem to believe that is not true, I’m afraid I have to tell you, China, Russia, Germany, iran that you’re all a bunch of losers!

            Losers!

            Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah….. You’re insufferable. How in the world was it that you were going to inform me of something? Do you wear a helmet to make certain you don’t fall down and damage the few brain cells you have that keep your organs operating?

            Just a heads up! clinton ii will be lucky if she isn’t in prison . barack hussein obama hates her. The only reason he isn’t giving her up for embezzlement of $6 Billion to overthrow 4 allied governments and for obstruction of justice for pulling a Nixon on steroids, for the muslim brotherhood is that they were in on it together. That’s the only thing that’ll keep her out of prison is the guy who’s trying to figure out how he can punish her without her telling on him.

          • Jerry

            No need to honor you with a reply. Obviously you have been smoking way too much weed, or taking some other kind of chemical substance to warp your mind and intellect. I have a college degree, have lived in 8 decades of this world, and have seen more than you may ever see, or know. I won’t ever try to educate you about anything regarding our government, politics, or the constitution again. You couldn’t understand any of it if it was stamped on your brain. You are way more over the line than even the far right Republicans that are killing this country now. I hope you get some help so you can live a productive and happy life before you die.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            First, you threaten to not reply with a reply and drone on to say that you’ve lived for 8 decades, claiming you’ve seen more than I may ever see. If I ever get to be as senile as you, I hope someone close has the sympathy to put a pillow over my sleeping head, my choice. You clearly don’t have anybody who cares enough about you to put you out of your own and my misery, since your ilk so keenly believes in excuses for killing for convenience and redefining the term, “mercy killing” of the near-born and the feeble.

            Since you don’t know what right wing is, even though it’s been patiently and numerously explained to you, do you really think you could endeavor to educate me?

            So you have a degree; in what underwater basket weaving? I have an MSL and I’m working on my Doctorate. My undergraduate work was in Education and Political science. I educated while serving and haven’t stopped for more than a year or two since I was a lad.

            As for dope smoking, you’re in that crowd and it is factually the left wing that is ruining the country. Left wing projection!

            Factually, it has been the Jew and Black hating racists, those that deny evil and combat real good with the force of government, with the attack on all that is good, all that is free, all that is Godly, all that is good, all that is truly equal, all that is natural, all that promotes prosperity and a better life with its jealous identity politics, its politics of envy, its hatred of real choice, real liberty, personal responsibility, personal sovereignty. Leftist projection!

            You racist ideologues talk about choice when enslave and you kill for convenience. Whenever you have any kind of collectivism when you take the choice and personal sovereignty from a man, a woman, a child a group, you have collectivism! Left wing, collectivist Projection!

            You ignorant power-mongers, mothers and fathers of the KKK and warriors and murderers against the abolitionism of slavery, against the Civil Rights movement for more than a century, form the 1860s through the 196s, now enslave not only by telling groups they aren’t good enough but you enslave them with a soul crushing, spirit trampling belief that they need you to provide for them, to enslave one man, woman, one group, to toil and labor longer and harder to more and more feverishly to provide for another man, another woman, another group and you’re too ignorant to know that’s slavery to all but the ruling class! Left wing, collectivist Projection!

            Abraham Lincoln spoke of slavery when he paraphrased Genesis 3:19; he said, ‘I will not eat by the sweat of another man’s brow,’ but you, you tyrants demand more and more, using bastardized, redefined terms like, “fair share”. What’s fair about the slavery you won’t acknowledge? What’s fair about that?

            You are a childish, selfish, racist and un-Godly lot while you stamp your feet, show your fists and demand more while you attempt to shame those that give what they can while you demand more. You strip away choice. You shame and call it good will when good will and charity are removed when you remove freedom of choice from an already magnanimous lot. There are more tax cheats among you; more tight fisted when it comes to real charity, among you; more thieves, more murderers; more liars and you don’t care who lies, how bad or how much as long as you concentrate and amalgamate more power. You don’t care how much you hurt your citizens as long as you advance your pestilential empire.

            You and your ilk are what’s wrong with our country and we won’t be back on track until we wash your kind of thinking and your endemic sourge from the malevolent incubators of iniquity that we call our education system and from the earth.

          • JoseCuervo

            Didn’t read that wall of text….. I bet you looked like an idiot writing all that.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You’re a degenerate impostor. Your brain doesn’t work like Americans or Patriots. You’re nobody and you know nothing.

          • JoseCuervo

            That is the dumbest shit I have read today. but I see you wrote more.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The dumbest $#!+ today is you, you creepy Valor burgling impostor!

          • JoseCuervo

            Go home, and suck your own Dk

          • JoseCuervo

            You say the dumbest sht ever. How old are you ? And you call yourself a man? you type like a 3rd grader.

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            Become a Republican.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Become an American!

          • http://silverknight.tumblr.com Paul Shene

            I’m born American, and served in the only Iraq war where we knew what the hell we were doing. The Become a Republican remark was in answer to your stupid question on what would it take for Obama to get impeached. If Obama registered republican, articles of impeachment would follow for “gaming the electoral system”

      • ei-g1

        right?

      • pszymeczek

        Impeachment, perhaps, but there will be no conviction by the Senate.

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      • Libertarian Soldier

        Actually, that statement is completely false! Otherwise there’d be some prosecutions. The cowardly republicans won’t impeach barack hussein obama, no matter what he does. They’re too afraid of the race card, of which the democrats play liberally, the only thing about which they’re actually liberal. They’re actually the repressive, regressive, big brother government they used to hate. Now, they are compliant and provide stupid cover like the comment I’m responding to.

        Whatever happened to the democrats that wanted open government, the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th Amendments?

        Whatever happened to Dr. King’s dream? What happened to being judged not by the color of the skin but by the content of character? The democrats and their quick draw of the race card makes it impossible to judge this tyrant by the content of his lying, oppressive, unconstitutional, anti-Christian, antisemitic character. Instead, we are barred by ‘the soft bigotry of low expectations’ that is the racist, democrat party cult!

        They became the new Nazis! The speech police!

        • JoseCuervo

          “The democrats and their quick draw of the race card makes it impossible
          to judge this tyrant by the content of his lying, oppressive,
          unconstitutional, anti-Christian, antisemitic characte”

          “race card is just a buzzword shield that racists and bigots love to hide behind.

          BWAHAHAHA… right… is the democrats pulling a race card… it has NOTHING to do with all the tea party signs and memes with slogans like.. “don’t renig”, “put the white, back in the whitehouse” ” go back to africa” , “the african king” ” signs with nooses on them and hundreds of racist signs against Obama out there…I bet , in your twisted imagination.. those are democrat signs…..

          So far we’ve seen Obama the Communist, Obama the Black Radical, Obama the Secret Muslim, Obama the Atheist, Obama the Kenyan, Obama the Indonesian, Obama the Black Panther, Obama the Guy Who Is Just Like Adolph Hitler, Obama the Antichrist and now Obama the Islamocentric.

          What makes Obama the most interesting man in the world is not just that he is able to simultaneously be all of these things – a gay Muslim who is really an atheist yet claims to be a Christian – but that no one who he ever met
          in all that time, before he was president, seems to be willing to verify any of these details.
          Which, if you really want to get into conspiratorial mode, is probably because he had everyone who knew his secrets killed execution-style by the Illuminati Hit Squad

          Hilarious.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            When did I call barack hussein obama a communist? there you go! Changing the subject, getting off the subject. I did say islamocentric. It’s fairly funny watching the left wing-nut jobs backing an islamocentric government.

            I’m so wasting my time with a fag that’s calling me little, cute and adorable. I’m out!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You must be a child. Heterosexual, grown men, Marines don’t write crap like this:

            “BWAHAHAHA… right… is the democrats pulling a race card… it has NOTHING to do with all the tea party signs and memes with slogans like.. “don’t renig”, “put the white, back in the whitehouse” ” go back to africa” , “the african king” ” signs with nooses on them and hundreds of racist signs against Obama out there…I bet , in your twisted imagination.. those are democrat signs…..”

            Seems to me, you, a democrat are the one unabashedly playing that card! Those are racist signs and it is my opinion that democrats are the worst closet racists. That’s their legacy, their history, their current trick bag.

            You’re a racist idiot! First, you’ve called me a TEA Party member. That’s stupid. Just because the TEA Party agrees with Constiutionalism you believe I must be a card carrying member. You also use a bunch of racist propaganda while not so subtly playing that race card, f’ing racist! You, against anything I’ve said can’t understand, can’t learn because of your own racist prejudice. Now you’ve conflated me not only with the TEA Party, but you’ve called them white racist and conflated that I must also be white and a racist as well. You’re not just a racist, you’re a stupid racist! Can you even be right about one thing, right about anything? Can’t you be right about more than part of one thing, once? From what f’ing racist, democrat manual are you operating, race baiter, race pimp?

            Are you still researching Wikipedia to try to explain what bullshit lie you’re going to tell about your Marine service? You should have been able to say what Battalion, what Marine Regiment and what Marine Division, what company, what unit and done so proudly as quickly as the crap you spew about everything else. You don’t write “Oorah” to a real Marine with whom you’re at odds, f’ing retard!

            You also don’t equate size with your ability to face someone if you’re a hard charging heart breaker, a fighting machine, f’ing dwebe. You’re probably a 4′-0″ worm and you’re probably not even an adult by the effeminate, irrational, immature garbage you write. You’re a fake! While you’re at it, you’re carrying on the long democrat tradition of the their invisible empire, using race accusations as your stopper. You’re nothing more than a f’ing democrat! F’ing full of $#!+, impostor, racist democrat!

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          • JoseCuervo

            Yup, because “You must be a child. Heterosexual, grown men” is a great, logical and intelligent counter-argument. Sorry, did not bother to read your wall of text.. notice you called me a racist which makes absolutely no sense at all. Go F yourself kid.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You got your argument. You just don’t bring one. My criticism of your femininity and squishy, childish, girlie talk, writing is what I’m criticizing. If you served and I’m not saying you did, I was commanding a unit, not a squad that I took to Kuwait and Iraq, right about the time when you were signing up. With whom did you charge? Later, I led in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I commanded at Kelley. If you know anything, you know that’s where we put the thinking and experienced fighting men.

            You’re a f’ing child!

            You’re changing the subject, poser. Your rhetoric is bull$#!+. I think you’re a fake. Name your superiors. If they fought in Desert Storm I’m fairly certain I know them. If they served with Delta, not many marines do, or other special ops there’s little chance I don’t. I retired out of Unified, at Kelley.

            Tell me what we call that.

            Run along, now, junior! Masturbation optional!

          • JoseCuervo

            Cool story.. tell it again.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            That’s what I thought, impostor, FAG!

          • JoseCuervo

            FU… you are the impostor… typical tea bagger……. I prove you wrong in all your political BS now you attack me personally….. like the say….. when you resort to personal attacks you already lost the argument.

          • JoseCuervo

            Sorry little man, I am not allowed to tell you anything at all. You are just going to have to try to be an adult and deal with it.

            Oh and I call it a quitter.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        How does that work if nobody’s been prosecuted or impeached?

        • losangeles.jeff

          Because there’s nothing to prosecute or impeach unless you live in magical conservative fairyland.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Actually, you’re backwards about that, too.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        Actually, whomever “They” are do require proof. How else, then, do you explain no prosecutions?

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.terry.925 Benjamin Terry

      I pray they do…oops you probably dont believe in god…So I hope they do!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr

        If the GOP seriously tried to prove Impeachment without any evidence, the fools that put their names on the petition would be wiped out in the next election.

        Too much to hope for. They could have tried that already the fake “Birther” crap, and didn’t.

        It’s more use to them as a trick to rile up fools like you.

      • Anthony Rende

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    • Libertarian Soldier

      You can’t prosecute a crime just because you know one occurred. You have to perform due diligence to procure evidence. Unfortunately, when the administration takes every witness into a room and threatens them, it’s kind of hard to gather that evidence. How do we know that witnesses were threatened? Congressional hearings.

      With the barack hussein obama, islamocentric administration, ‘the most transparent in history’s’, lies and oppression hides the evidence while its party and its propaganda ministry, of which this blog is a part, you can’t get very far with the attitude, the misdirection and the misrepresentation not only of the government, it’s party, its propaganda ministry and its soulless constituents as confirmed by you, it is extremely difficult to even decide which of the illegal, unsonstitutional acts this pResident, his party and his secretary have perpetrated with the cover of its complicit propaganda ministry.

      If there’s nothing to see, why do the democrats continue to rail against the investigation. Why don’t they do as Bush did regarding the re-outing of the CIA travel agent that used to brag about being an operative when she was nothing more than a travel agent? Remember what Bush did? He told everybody to cooperate with the investigation. barack hussein obama could learn a thing from the guy on whom he continues to blame for his laundry list of failures.

      • DrowningKittens

        My comment was misinterpreted here. The author’s argument is a plain and simple false equivalent and I’ve attacked it as such when I’ve seen it used on other sites. I let it go here because I’ve found this site to be so ridiculously Liberal, I would wager when they drive, they take three lefts to turn right.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          OK!

  • Christopher Foxx

    Where was your inquest after the Karachi attacks, Mr. Graham? Where were you after the Sana’a attacks, Mr. Hannity? What about all of the embassy attacks in Iraq that I didn’t even list here, Mr. McCain?

    It’s not surprising that none of today’s journalists will ever ask these questions of those folks. It’s what the profession has become.

    And, alas, it’s no longer surprising that the Democrats won’t ever challenge the Republicans on these questions. For from making any serious effort to oppose Republicans, they seem satisfied to let things go as they have been.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

    Let’s take this piece VIRAL, people! Facebook it, etc……….let’s really put it in their smug, lying faces!!

    • Robert Scalzi

      Will do !!!

    • guest

      Awesome idea! I bet a whole bunch of them change their minds because of this!

      • http://www.facebook.com/lynn.weyts Lynn Weyts

        I love sarcasm! ;)

    • missingleader

      Nicole:If you weren’t so uninformed, you would know its been viral for a while. So there back at your smug, lying face. (Jeopardy) Your a single teacher that still lives with your mom, you love to play the victim, instead of being empowered and you love to blame others for your own ineptitude. Um what is a liberal Alex? That’s correct for $1000.00

      • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

        THIS particular article, not the incorrect article on KOS, JUST went viral. You’re welcome, moron.

        That said, your comment was astonishing insofar as it was completely inaccurate. So…..do continue…..make me laugh some more.

        LOL.

      • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

        I wrote that post yesterday, concern troll. When it was at 300 FB likes.

        Why, exactly, do you care about this?

        Furthermore, your assumptions are ……….simply laughable.

  • churchilliscool

    Did Bush lie to the American people about these before an election!!? You #$%@!!-ing liberal hypocrites!!!

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      Idiot.

      Benghazi!!!!

    • Lady Willpower

      That’s the most pathetic defense I’ve ever heard.

    • jewelbomb

      There was nothing for Bush to lie about because no one gave a shit until it happened under a President who happens to be a Democrat (and black).

    • Christopher Foxx

      Did Bush lie to the American people about these before an election!!?

      So lies only count during election years?

      • raykinsella

        No, but squashing the truth of your administrations potential screw-ups and lies just months before the Presidential election is pretty bad!

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          There was NO “squashing” of lies.

      • churchilliscool

        OK, did Bush lie to the American people in any fashion at any time about these 13 attacks!!? Nevertheless, it certainly is worse before an election because it thwarts democracy and cheats citizens out of an informed choice. I guess that is just fine as long as the politician is liberal. The ends justify the means in your Marxist world.

    • villemar

      Convince Congress to Impeach Obama for it then. I dare you. I double dare you. I’m serious. Put your money where your mouth is, bucktooth.

    • Victor_the_Crab

      Yo retard:

      • churchilliscool

        Boy, that sure showed me!!

        • Victor_the_Crab

          Yeah, you’re none to bright to know you’re getting your ass kicked here, being the despicable sociopathic piece of shit that you are.

  • http://twitter.com/ZeddRebel Zedd Rebel

    A few you missed involving deaths of American diplomats:

    October 28, 2002 – 60 year old American diplomat Lawrence Foley is shot to death by Al Qaeda terrorists outside his home in Amman. Foley was supervisory director of the USAID program in Jordan. Foley’s assassination was part of a spate of Al Qaeda attacks in the fall of 2002 also including the Bali bombing (which killed over 200 including seven Americans) and the death of an American Marine in Kuwait.

    October 15, 2003 – Three American State Department personnel are killed when a roadside bombing strikes their armored vehicle in Gaza. A non-jihadist Palestinian terror group, the Popular Resistance Committee, takes reponsibility. No American retaliation takes place.

    January 1, 2008 – American USAID diplomat John Granville, being driven home from a New Year’s Eve party at the British Embassy, is ambushed and killed along with his Sudanese driver by jihadist militants in Khartoum, Sudan. Not until Obama came into office were rewards of up to $5 million offered for capturing those responsible.

    So thats five more American diplomats killed by terrorists on Bush’s watch…none of which were tied with thousands of hours of ensuing wall-to-wall TV coverage on Foxnews or endlessly redundant Congressional hearings.

    • raykinsella

      please go down your list and tell us how many times in each of these cases that any member of the Bush administration, from the white house, state department or united nations ambassador..blamed a youtube video for a spontaneous uprising in each of these attacks. In fact, please share with everyone how, despite the evidence that was known within hours, how the Bush white house redacted the intelligence report to support their lie about a ridiculous video and maintained that stance with even the president citing the video in an address to the united nations! You can’t and they didn’t. If Hilary, Obama and administration are so pure, why the ridiculous lie? Furthermore, isn’t it smart to investigate the failure to protect our foreign state department personnel if for no other reason than to try to prevent future deaths and tragedies? Lastly, why has it taken so long for the surviving victims to be brought forward? Why have they been hidden, even from congressional investigators? Perhaps it will be true that little could have been done to prevent(despite many requests for additional security from Amb. Stevens) this attack or the ensuing deaths. However, it would be instructive to know how we could be better prepared to react to these types of attacks in the future. This is an important function of our elected officials…to properly safeguard our civilian and military assets! Who is really politicizing this…those searching for the truth, or those trying to bury it?

      • TCar

        Cop-out on you! The same mistakes are made because bad people want to do bad things! There was a movement because of the film, just so happened happen at the same time the “terrorists” planned an attack!

        • raykinsella

          Why then didn’t Obama, Hilary and anyone else simply say that? Why then did Hilary and Obama vow to the families of the murdered victims that they would “go after the video maker” that caused this? Why did Obama cite the video once again, a full 2 weeks later in an address to the United Nations? Why where survivors kept hidden from congressional investigators?

          • TCar

            The video still was at issue and still is. However, the video maker didn’t do anything illegal outside of defamation of character against the actors of the film. It turn they did go after the filmmaker but again, no law was broke. Religious people need to remember that not everyone believes what they do and everything is free to be sarcastic about!

          • http://www.facebook.com/angel.brom Angel Cagle

            The guy who made the video is still in jail.

          • Sabyen91

            For being a dirty crook, not for making the video.

      • tired of rednecks

        FYI my oldest son was good friends with 1 of the people killed there sorry i cant remember his name right now .
        and all this BS that the right wing keeps dreaming up keeps up setting him reminding him of the last thing his friend said to him
        (damn its been really quiet here the past few days ill see ya tommrow) but when tommrow came my son found out he was killed

        but do you and all others give a shit people here in america hurt because of this tragedy ?
        no is to try to find something wrong with the pres. thats it .
        PLEASE GET A LIFE

        • Marciarita

          They are trying to lower Hillary Clinton’s favorables. They said her name 71 times in the hearings the other day while only mentioning Obama 5 times. Yes, it is a hit job.

          • McHale72

            Her’s is easier to say because it’s an American name (and she only has one to remember).

        • B Manz

          I call bull on your story. You are lying. Typical Obamabot.

          • tired of rednecks

            YOU SIR. ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A TROLL

            when are you and all others with what was my party republican im smart enough to know a BS lie when i see one.
            you prob think professional wrestling is real too.
            is either of your parents or friends dead ????
            would you like to hear lies told about them and what happened to them everyday ???
            if so you need to leave the republican party because sir you are not a christian you are everything the base of the party stands aginst!!!!!!
            sorry i only vote for the best person for any office not just for party and i dont believe everything i read or hear go back to your bubble troll

      • Jay B.

        You guys are so far into your bubble world, you really have no fucking clue just how stupid you sound. None of what you write is really true and honestly none of the “lies” you seem so concerned about actually matter to anyone but the conservatives and paranoiacs who live in your bubble of willful ignorance. The Administration, almost immediately, called it an act of terror and, in fact, reported that it appeared, as the story became clearer, that it was conducted by a terrorist organization. Stevens, who was a gay liberal supporter of the Administration, surely knew that the GOP actually controls the budget and “additional security” would have to come from non-existent money that the conservative party cuts out of every part of government. That you are literally so fucking stupid that you don’t actually understand what Republicans are actively doing to government right now through budget cuts and austerity pretty much gives away the game. The GOP is nearly as much to blame for the deaths of the Americans in Libya as the people who killed them. A decade of crusading into stupid, endless wars and bragging about Shock and Awe, its no wonder scores State Department employees were victims of Republican bloodlust — not just the four dead ones that you are weeping crocodile tears for now. To say nothing of the 4500 other Americans sent to their deaths for reasons you can’t fucking explain. To say nothing of the 3,000 Americans whose deaths on 9/11 literally give you a hard on. Those deaths and that Administration’s response is literally beyond your concern. That’s a tell. It’s why all the fake concern bullshit about Benghazi is just so transparent. You literally don’t give a shit, or can’t be assed to understand, just how toxic the Bush Administration was to the world. And you certainly don’t have the intellectual honesty to step away from the bubble and see just what it is the war policies you clearly support have wrought.

        • GlockG22shoots40s

          “You guys are so far into your bubble world, you really have no fucking clue just how stupid you sound. “…. you looking in a mirror when you wrote this???

          • villemar

            I’m sorry you’re experiencing microphalli. Please try your post again later.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dave.lanson Dave Lanson

            I had to look up that one. Quite funny and probably true.

          • http://www.facebook.com/shelley.farrell.5 Shelley Farrell

            definitely a republican reply!!! everything boils down to penis size to them. big sigh.

          • Jay B.

            And that’s not a response either. See, I don’t particularly think the Obama Administration is really worthy of defense. I think his drone policy (which was Bush’s drone policy, of course) is an abomination. I think his acceptance of most of the Bush policies are an indictment. But I’m not under any illusion that you care about any of those things. It’s literally beyond your capacity to understand. So you go after Benghazi. A tragic, but hardly world-shattering, event that happened — as shown above — more than a dozen times during the last Administration. If the Administration’s response was inept, any problems it had were rather quickly addressed. There was no cover-up, just conflicting reports which were then sorted and talked about. Only to Republicans, people with literal blood on their hands, would this be an impeachable outrage. You sat still and let the world burn under your guy, but this is beyond the pale? That’s how far up your ass you are.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Daniels/100002412034189 Susan Daniels

            You really do buy the BS, don’t you?

          • batman dad

            You really are incapable of independent thought, aren’t you?

          • Anna Cowfer

            She’s a sheeple.

          • mutosheep

            She refuses to conform to the propaganda you all believe in religiously. You’re the conformist sheeple and your personal attacks in the face of facts disgust me.

          • powderriver

            You Teatards wouldn’t know a fact if it shat on your empty heads.

          • Walt

            Tea Partiers don’t like the policies of Bush, which is all that gets attacked on this site. Even though they are the policies of Obama…

          • powderriver

            Walt — That is a repeatedly used comeback from those running with the clueless hoarde today. It is a totally disingenuous claim, of course. Just for starters, there’s the fact that the TeaParty, as such, was not even in existence back in the Bush years. And THAT, in and of itself, shines a BRIGHT light on your abject hypocrisy. If, as YOU say, Bush’s and Obama’s policies are the same, and you Teatards supposedly didn’t like Bush’s policies, just WHERE was all the political broohaha from you nascent Teatards back during the Bush years? How come you people did not stand up then and complain as loudly and as stupidly as you do now?
            You semi-morons were AWFULLY quiet back then….not even a peep….”mission accomplished” by the Bush admin…..the mission being to fool every slack-jawed yokel who took-on the FoxNews mantle of “conservative” and to gather the worshipful masses around and have them busy themselves instead with a community game of ‘switch’……that’s where you all sat around, one thumb in your mouth and one up your rear-end, and then you switched every hour or so.

          • Walt

            Well, if you look back at the national sentiment after 9/11, you will see that there weren’t many progressives fighting against his policies until his second term…so what does that say about you?

            The Tea Party didn’t exist as any organized unit until someone took the progressive policies of Bush and expanded them.

            Again, you attack me as if I am a Tea Partier. I am merely attempting to challenge the base rhetoric I see on the site so some of you may start to question your side as much as I question both sides.

          • powderriver

            Son, that was some great DEFLECTION, but do try to stay on topic. Now, the issue at hand wasn’t about me or what “progressives” were doing during the Bush admin.; the issue was what all you nascent Teatards were doing. And so you’ve essentially admitted the HYPOCRISY of keeping quiet until Obama came into office. But, actually it was worse than just being quiet; you neo-morons jumped loudly on the bush bandwagon, until the very end when the abject FAILURE of his admin. could not be denied even by the most delusional. That’s when all you neo-tards switched to calling yourselves “independent”. What a joke. There hasn’t been a regressive [R] or TeaParty politician malignant enough for you deficients not to vote for.
            So you keep on questioning “both sides”, and let me know when you get around to also questioning your Teatard buddys, and then I’ll give you a fair listen. Some of Obama’s policies you screech about have been in response to the effects of the economic, domestic and foreign policy FAILURES of the Bush admin…..so what do you blame the Bush policy failures on….the fact that he was left with a budget surplus, an overall healthy economy, an accurate heads-up of which terrorists to be on the lookout for, and no wars?
            And this made-up Benghazi stuff….what a bunch of stinking hypocritcal, partisan-first crap, left in a steaming pile by the reichwing.

          • Walt

            I’ve already responded to this drivel in another post. Your short memory and lack of understanding of any picture beyond what your progressive heroes paint for you.

            The Tea Party didn’t exist, nor was there the climate after 9/11 for major public dissent. The public got what it wanted, for the most part, or ignored what they saw. Then, as time went on, they disengaged from things they supported at the time. You have decided to forget much.

          • powderriver

            Sorry Walt, but you’ve made NO cogent response to my so-called “drivel”. Absolutely NONE. Apparently you have a similar “lack of understanding” beyond the fairytales your media masters drive, like nails, into your empty head, daily. I buried you in the truth, and your masters have not taught you how to deal with the truth; instead they tell you, when confronted with a truth you cannot DEFLECT, to call it “drivel” and not respond to it.
            You quite incredulously attempt to blame the sad hypoicrisy of the TeaParty on 9/11. Wow, that is quite a creative use of 9/11, one that I’ve never heard before. Creatively pathetic, that is. 9/11 happened in 2001, and you wish our home audience to believe that even 4 years later, even 5, then 6, and even 7!! years later, that one past event kept all the nascent Teatards from roundly criticizing Bush’s war, Bush’s debt, Bush’s economy, Bush’s gov’t growth, Bush’s attack on individual rights. But then BINGO!!…the magic number for the nascent Teatards to “recover” from 9/11 just happened to be 8 years…so, 8 years after 9/11 it was time for the community of brain-dead zombies to finally “disengage” from the things they had just so recently happily supported…..and it was, supposedly, a mere coincidence that a black [D] president happened to start in office at that time. That’s quite some coincidence….and therefore that’s quite some FAIRYTALE.
            Furthermore, your own lame statement that “they disengaged from things” they previously supported merely restates the CORE of the hypocrisy….they gladly supported Bush in some of the SAME things for which they have denounced Obama. That, you sublime idiot, is the very nature of hypocrisy. Blaming it on 9/11, or any other DEFLECTION, does not negate the basic FACT of the hypocrisy itself.

          • Walt

            Neither your wordiness, nor your use of the word nascent makes your opinion any more valid. If you cannot read between the lines, then I will spell it out for you. Are you familiar with the phrase regarding the “lesser of two evils?” Would we undermine someone who is at least doing SOME things we like in favor of someone worse? That would be like saying the progressives should have voted against President Obama because he was not progressive enough.

            I said the PUBLIC disengaged from what they previously supported. Chris Matthews, of all people, was hailing President Bush on how “presidential” he was for the aircraft carrier stunt with the “Mission Accomplished” banner. Public sentiment was different after 9/11. That is the point I made, and instead of reading into it, you could just take it for what it is.

            Your poorly worded, wandering vitriol is the reason why I have little respect for most progressives. It is as ridiculous as the things some ignorant Republicans say on their websites.

          • powderriver

            Walt, you once again did not address any of my main points in a cogent fashion. You merely complain about my use of words that you do not understand, and you continue the tried-and-true [R] defensive manuever of DEFLECTION, i.e. here, to DEFLECT the responsibility of the Teatard response to Bush onto “progressives”. If you would like to start a thread on Mathews’ hypocrisy, be my guest. But Mathews was not a Teatard like you, and he and other progressives, no matter their varying response to Bush then and Obama now, bear absolutely NO responsibility for YOUR Teatard hypocrisy. Your continued and sole use of DEFLECTION as the centerpiece of your argument, even after it has been pointed out to you, merely attests to your failed attempts to bring material agruments to bear on this issue and it highlites your own stubborn, purposeful, and no-doubt partisan-based, ignorance.

            Again, what you have accomplished with your own “drivel” is to admit that YOUR hypocrisy is, in your own mind, based on a “lesser of two evils” philosophy. That might be some sort of a reason or an “excuse” for your hypocrisy, but it in no way negates the hypocrisy as FACT. But I do sense your point: when you refuse to move beyond the intllectual level of a 3rd grader, then in that world a ‘fact’ like 1+1=17 is still possible, and a fact like 1+1=2 can be ignored with impunity when convenient.

            As an anthropological exercise, I would be VERY curious to know just what are those “SOME things” that Bush did that you liked? I would also like to know this: if you Teatards would have stood up like ‘men’ and gave voice to those things that you didn’t like, just how would that have “undermined” Bush in favor of “someone worse”? Were you nascent Teatards, like the Bush administration itself, in campaign-mode 24x7x52x8? So much for those laughably weak claims of “country first”.

            To claim that you have little repsect for progressives merely because you cannot muster the intellectual cogency to properly defend your ideological-based nonsense in their presence, or because they don’t agree with you, or your shallow excuses for the Teatards, or your hypocrital “relativism” when it comes to [R] presidents is all quite puerile.

          • Walt

            You shine your true colors when you look to place blame on a group you believe to be small and radical, yet (according to you) has an absurd amount of power.

            Keep placing blame, but you cannot ignore the fact that besides the ACA, Obama has done little to change the policies of his predecessor, nor positively impact America. As the stories stack up against the progressive mindset, get defensive and try to cling to your big government garbage. At least be loyal to a doomed cause.

            Regardless, odd math problems and big words don’t win arguments, but I refuse to conduct any correspondence (no matter how trivial) with someone who cannot frame their argument coherently. Good evening to you.

          • powderriver

            That’s right, take your ball and go home. Avoid further beatings, further embarrassment. And so with that, you show YOUR own ture colors.
            You neo-turds are preciously predictable. Yet again you do not address the main point, and instead whine about my use of math and words to illustrate your FAILED arguments. And this time your further DEFLECT by putting words in my mouth.
            — I did NOT place blame: my basic message throughout has been to merely call out YOUR obvious and inescapable Teatard hypocrisy. Again, in your own words: if as YOU say “Obama has done little to change the policies of his predecessor”, why all the gnashing of Teatard teeth now and not during the Bush administration? How many times do I have to beat you over the head with your own words?
            — I NOWHERE in my posts claimed the TeaParty to be “small and radical”, yet holding an “absurd(??!!) amount of power”. The only power they hold is over like-minded deficients, most of whom are holed-up in today’s cowardly [R] party.
            — I said NOTHING about big government.

            No, you don’t refuse to conduct further correspondence because of my lack of coherence; it is because of your own intellectual weakness, your own cowardice to face-up to the political fallacies that you and your like-minded bretheren worship like the bible, and your own inability to cogently defend a sad political approach that has been roundly dismissed at the poles twice now. And you claim I’m “loyal to a doomed cause”? Get a grip, and get a dictionary…that word H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y is calling out to you.

          • Walt

            You are proud of yourself. It is good to see my early assessment that you are hopelessly repetitive and delusional proved true. You can deride and proclaim victory all you want, but your revisionist history and your blind faith in the progressive (i.e. big government) cause skews your opinion.

            You claimed the Tea Party could have unseated GW Bush for a better candidate.

            You blamed the Tea Party for not standing up to the policies of GW Bush.

            Just because you use math and words doesn’t mean you make a coherent, or effective, argument. Your entire argument is “Where was the Tea Party under Bush.” My argument is “There was no perceived need for a Tea Party at the time because of the political climate.” You have done nothing to refute my points except babble about your point again and again, using different words or odd mathematics to “prove” your “point.”

            I’m fairly positive, given the plethora of examples here, that I have nothing to fear when it comes to my intellectual capabilities, especially when debating the likes of you.

            Why are you wandering into religion now? Not only is your statement unrelated, but untrue.

            Please, continue. Contrary to my earlier statements, I am still finding this amusing.

          • powderriver

            Oh, look. The spoiled little child who didn’t get his way, who whined and threatened to leave with his ball, is back.

            I’m repetitive? That precious. If so, it is merely because of my attempts to beat the repetitive purposeful ignorance out of you. The fact that you’ve proven such attempts to be a fools errand is the very reason that I can place you squarely in the ranks of the intellectually deficient Teatards who stubbornly bask in their own malleable form of continuously re-written history.

            OK, yes, I’m repetitive, because ONCE AGAIN I must call you out for ONCE AGAIN childishly claiming I said things which I did NOT. The only thing I “claimed” and “blamed” was the utter HYPOCRISY of the Teatard apologists who cannot match their fairytales about the SUPPOSED similarity of the Bush/Obama policies with the ACTUAL dis-similarity of behavior of the Teatards to Bush/Obama. It is as simple as that, and it is irrefutable. But it is you, not I, who plays the BLAME-game; it is YOU who BLAMES your hypocrisy on 9-11, or on the so-called political climate, or etc. as a means to excuse or wiggle out of the basic FACT of the existence of Teatard hypocrisy. And so, being confronted with your infantile repetition of shallow excuses as a means to deny the hypocrisy of you and your Teatard bretheren, I am forced to REPEAT that the FACT of your hypocrisy stands, no matter what excuses and justifications you might conjure up.

            Your weak claim that “There was no perceived need for a Tea Party at the time [of GWB] because of the political climate” is absurd. You also absurdly blamed the political climate thru the end of the GWB admin. on 9-11. The only “political climate” that insulated GWB from criticism was inside the empty heads of his rightwing acolytes, who then conveniently turned into the TeaParty when the clueless [R]s lost the election to a black [D]. Whatever insulating “political climate” GWB had was gone by the end of his 1st term, as his domestic and foreign policy woes accelerated discontent in the LARGER population. There was PLENTY of general discontent being voiced in America by 2004, reaching a crescendo by 2006, but NONE — ZILCH — from the rightwing. And now we have adult idiots, apologists for the TeaParty nonsense, going around claiming Bush’s and Obama’s policies are one in the same, but refuse to see the abject HYPOCRISY involved in their making that claim. It is typical Teatard behavior, and utter partisan nonsense, to excuse the inconsistent behavior of [R] partisans merely because they viewed their political fortunes differently when they were in the white house vs when they were not in the white house. The political fortunes of a narrow gaggle of partisans does NOT a country-wide “political climate” make. What sophomoric tripe.

            Rather than being amused by all of this, like some befarted slack-jawed yokel visiting the circus for the fist time, maybe you should take the education being offered to you, and so take the opportunity to step back from the Teatard abyss which seems to call to you like a magical siren. You are correct that you “have nothing to fear when it comes to [your] intellectual capabilities”; how could you be fearful of something that has all the heft of a small feather pillow? I certainly am not….your soft feathers are ticklish.

          • Walt

            Education? Yikes…is that what you think you are giving me? Entertaining, yes. Educating? Well, I guess to reinforcement of something I already learned, such as how snobbish and absurd progressives typically are, is technically education…I’ll count it.

            Unfortunately, unlike you, I don’t take insults from random people on the internet seriously, so I don’t have to project by spewing vitriol at those who disagree with me.

            Your points are invalid, on the face of them. You bring up race because you cannot bring anything besides “where were you when Bush wasn’t being a conservative,” and, “Teatards are stupid.” For all your vocabulary and wit, albeit adolescent and tedious wit, you really cannot see anything beyond hatred of those who would rather see our founding document preserved, rather than shredded.

            If you truly stood for the ideals I am sure you think you stand for, you might find that personal liberty and personal responsibility are conservative ideals.

            Do I need to explain the difference between Bush policies and conservative policies, or do you understand that? Don’t answer that, I’ll save time waiting for a response and just explain.

            Bush, being a neo-conservative, with big business influences, overaggressive foreign policy, over-conventional military, and big government policies, did little to further the cause of the country. True conservatism attempts to keep the federal government from wandering into areas where it does not belong, such as entitlement programs, economics, healthcare, etc. This allows people the most freedom, while expecting them to act the most responsibly to maintain law and order at a state level. This allows governance to happen at the lowest level possible, thereby giving democracy the best chance to succeed with the maximum amount of civic participation. The smaller the federal government, the more governance falls to the state, county, and local levels, thereby increasing the power of the local people.

            I am confused as to how that could end poorly, seeing as how we have such talented individuals like yourself living wherever you are. Wouldn’t you like a little more say so that your state could be bankrupted by your Keynesian economic policies?

          • powderriver

            Is it really possible that an otherwise sentient being can be in such intellectual pain from getting his political-balls hammered against the pavement twice (in 2008 and 2012) that he would freely subscribe to the sophomoric and baseless fairytale that “the smaller the federal government, the more……the power of the local people” is increased? In your deluded mental state, can you even begin to imagine why your statement is NOT true? If you really believe that, you are every bit the simplistic and naive puppet of others as any strident communist.
            Well, let’s look on the bright side. At least you stopped your futile and childishly embarrasing defense of your Teatard hypocrisy about Bush/Obama.
            And apparently, just as with facts, you wouldn’t know a viable economic policy if it shat on your empty head. Wasn’t that YOU I saw cheering the Bush economic, tax, regulatory and oversight policies back in the day, even as they pushed us into the freefall towards the SECOND [R]-caused economic depression of the last century? And you then have the arrogance to claim that others will bankrupt their states just because they have a difference of opinion with you? Are you at all familiar with the biblical parable concerning “throwing the first stone”; if you need a more secular reference, just go to the dictionary and look-up the word HYPOCRISY.

          • Walt

            Your wanderings show your inability to do anything but regurgitate progressive talking points, but I’ll bite.

            What economic policy have I espoused? The tax system is the issue, with the Fair Tax being the most economically viable option while also being the most equitable. The issue with Bush policies include TARP, but the precursors to that are as much the fault of the banks and individuals as they are policies of Bush. Why did the bubble exist? People borrowed more than they could afford. Were the banks greedy with free Fed money? Yes. Should the Fed enjoy the place it currently does alongside our government? No. Simply implying that Bush is at fault for the recession/depression is simplistic and inaccurate. Did he help? No. But is this an indictment of conservatism? Hardly. Big-business Republicans tend to do things like that. Let’s not forget that your boy (Obama) is doing the same with his buddies. (Warren Buffet train lines instead of Keystone?)

            I, as I have stated before, am not a Tea Partier. It is closest to my opinions, mainly because I don’t need anyone else telling me what is best for me and my family. Still, I vote based on the platform given to me. I’ve voted for Democrats in the past and I’m a registered independent. You can spout off at the mouth and attempt to use your slightly above average vocabulary in an attempt to assert dominance in some way, that is your right. Just know that your close-minded, hateful speech proves your inability to truly present an argument based on fact, using hyperbole and misguided insinuations.

          • powderriver

            Well, unlike your boy Bush, my boy Obama did NOT oversee the freefall towards the 2nd [R]-generated economic depression in the last century. So no, Obama is NOT doing exactly the same thing with his buddies. In fact, quite the opposite, his administration ACTUALLY stopped that freefall and is ACTUALLY digging out of the mess that you obedient Bush followers dug. Is your logic so delusional that it can spout the absurdity that the [R] policies and lack of oversight that got us into this ecomomic mess are now the SAME ones that [D]s are using to help us get out of that mess? Really??!! That is certainly NOT the view of the [R] propaganda ministry, and to hear them speak it is certainly NOT the view held by all those noisy [R] leaders in congress.
            As I like to say, Obama is dragging you neo-morons kicking and screaming into prosperity.
            You keep saying that you are not a Tea Partier, pointing out that you are a registered independent. I am also a registered independent, but have not voted for a [R] in 40 years. […although I was tempted a couple of times back in the day, before the party took a right turn away from conservativism and towards the abyss of stupidity and anti-intellectualism that it now so happily inhabits.] So, should I now also deny my undeniable electoral bias for [D]s and say that I am not a [D] merely based on how I’m registered?
            Look, here is the REAL bottom line. If you are not a Tea Partier, then please identify specifically which of the Tea Party beliefs/policies differ materially and substantially from your own. Just where do you disagree SO much with these people that you do not wish to be labeled as being part of their cabal of idiots? Well?
            Your denial of being a Tea Partier is much like those Germans in 1945 who partook in the extermination of Jews, Slavs, etc., who fought and killed the allies tooth and nail to the end, and who then afterward denied that they were Nazis, merely because they had not gotten around to signing a list.
            And it is this level of moral and intellectual turpitude that defines today’s SO-CALLED “conservatives”. Pathetic.

          • Walt

            An interesting concept, but as with your usual drivel, you compare Bush and conservatives as one and the same. The system put in place for big banks and big businesses was started in the face of a very rough patch that was due to policies of Jimmy Carter. The response that re-created the American prosperity during the Reagan years evolved because of the success, spanning parties to the point that Clinton embraced it. Do I need to provide actual facts in the face of your hyperbole, or can you use that intellect to research it yourself? Bailing out the big banks spanned Bush-Obama, but there are enormous sponsors of the Democratic Party by big businesses and big banks. This is not to mention the unions, which were absolutely needed even up to the 1970s, but have fabricated issues since then to keep the dues rolling in and the six figure salaries of the administrators flowing. The ability of the Bush administration, as well as the Clinton administration (borrowing from Social Security to pay down the deficit), to hide their actions is exactly why the federal government should be smaller. If you have to look through 10,000 pages of a single piece of legislation to find specific issues with it (or you could just pass it to find out what is in it), it is more difficult to do that than looking though 1,00 pages. This is another argument for less federal government, even if the Bush administration is the focal point of the reasoning behind it.

            I would ask you, where is the money coming from to create this “prosperity” which you speak of? Is prosperity more people on means-tested entitlement programs than full-time workers (Census Bureau)? Is prosperity more debt and no trimming of budgets despite increasing debt? Is prosperity the lowest level of labor participation since 1980 (Bureau of Labor Statistics)? At the end of the day, big money is as much a Democrat thing (Terry McAuliffe, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Wal-Mart, Google, etc.) as a Republican thing. The government impacts the economy, it does not drive the economy. Your Keynesian mind probably disagrees based on things other than facts, and it probably also wants to complicate the issue with fancy theories and incoherent equations. It doesn’t change the fact that the government should only enable the economy to grow, not become involved in it, as this is a conflict of interests with the tax payers. There should be some restrictions/regulations to avoid the bubbles that have been created in the past by both Democrats and Republicans, but these should be limited to consumer protection, not the creation of a government driven market.

            I am not part of any party because there is no group that specifically represents all of my beliefs. For instance, I believe that foreign policy is important to domestic policy, and conducting ourselves properly in the world is an important part of foreign policy. This is not shared by some of the Tea Party and certainly not by the Libertarian wings. I could give more examples, but would rather not open up other topics to get you distracted.

            Again, your language is inappropriately used, especially in the Nazi reference. Alas, I know it is pulled out when people are too lazy to come up with facts, or even educated opinions, in a discussion.

          • Sam Houston

            “If the Administration’s response was inept, any problems it had were rather quickly addressed”
            Jay, where to start with such an ill informed statement. Do you have any Earthly idea how the State Department works overseas? OPSEC and OPFOR are just a jumble of letters to you. The ineptness was no in the non responsive reaction to the event. It goes back much, much further than that. Security at a US installation abroad does just arbitrarily get strung together. Intelligence data, current events, the mission, political climate, SOFA and such are major factors in planning security needs abroad. This is all planned out in advance. Security needs do ebb and flow but there is always a base force that can handle most contingencies.
            What the State Department FAILED to do was to supply the correct level of base support. They FAILED to recognize the brevity of the situation in Libya and order in an additional Marine Security Detachment which is relatively standard in Embassies in potential harms way. They FAILED to accept the evidence of an impending attack on the Consulate from Intel, the failed attempt on the British Ambassador, the significance of 9/11, the turmoil in the region that just went thru a bloody civil war funded by the US, and the intertwined reach of Al’ Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya. The State Department FAILED at every turn. This not their first shindig. This is their job. It is what they do. There is no conspiracy theory needed as the evidence of their actions before the event is right there. The Congressional Committee is trying to bring to light as to why such gross negligence was committed and why it was furthered by the extremely long period of inaction that cost the lives of 4 American Heroes. I remember not too long ago, the Left was eviscerating a Former President for his Administration’s inaction during a certain powerful storm in the Big Easy. Apparently y’all expected helicopters to be flying in a Hurricane yanking people off of rooftops when they were told to leave beforehand. Such hypocrisy.

          • Sam Houston

            Spoken from someone that has not a clue as to what they speak.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rich-Kolasa/1392326822 Rich Kolasa

            LOL! Yup, that’s all the cretins of the left have.

          • McHale72

            um… probably not. They hate lights when they are high.

          • michael45

            Wow, did you really think that up ??

        • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.terry.925 Benjamin Terry

          Are you for fucking real? WOW

        • SteveDK

          Well put.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr

          I am ASTONISHED. If I had worked for HOURS I couldn’t have come up with a better, or more scathing, repudiation of these “Benghazi Truther” conspiracy idiots.

          When are they going to figure out that time after time, their conspiracy theories are debunked, and that they beliefs are a tissue of lies?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Daniels/100002412034189 Susan Daniels

            All scared now aren’t you? Obama’s vacations are about to come to an end.

          • Anna Cowfer

            OMG….. can you possibly be any more blind? Vacations, really? That’s the best you can do? Lobbyists and Corporate interests giving vacations, gifts and money to every member of Congress. Every member of each of the three parts of our governments Legislative, Judicial and Executive get paid an insane salary and pay for Nothing of everyday expenses (insurance, health care, cars, planes, living expenses, entertainment) And your worried about how many vacations President O’bama has been on. You Seriously need to take off the blinders and remove the selective hearing aid device.

          • http://www.facebook.com/txbillmc Bill McDaniel

            He has taken far fewer vacations than the previous Presidents. George W outnumbered the total of President Obama’s total days until now in his first 2 YEARS!!!!
            STFU and quit watching FAKE (FOX) News!!!

          • Sam Houston

            And just where do you glean your informational facts on this? From Libtards Mathews, Madcow, and heir Olbermann I suspect. You are getting your Bush’s mixed up. Both SR. and Obama liked to hit the links. Obama far outstretched his golf outings more than anyone. He was hitting the links on the Federal course in the midst of a shutdown while WWII Vets could not see their Memorial. Bush Jr. took vacations on his own Ranch, much like Ronald Reagan did. This was at a great cost savings to the Public over that of Camp David. He also conducted Presidential affairs directly there in Crawford, Texas by hosting foreign dignitaries for laid back talks. Michelo runs around with her kids on lavish trips abroad while the hubby President is golfing it out with his celebrity buddies on the best links in the World. Then there are all those kick’n A-List parties that they throw.
            Start speaking the truth and drop the Rules for Radicals routine.

          • JoseCuervo

            Wow you are a fool

          • Patrick Matson

            You should ask your ma and padre why they came to America?They will tell you for opportunities to make money away from a dictatorship style of government. Capitalism. Democrats support communism and socialism.

          • julianenglish

            You have no idea what democratic, socialist and communist mean, do you?

          • JoseCuervo

            Uh,,, sorry, I know your racist peabrain saw a latino sounding name and assumed I am latino…. 1- I am white and do not have a single latino blood cell in my body 2- I was born in NY, like my parents where and my grandparent…

            You don’t even know what socialism means. According to conservatives anything that is good for society is “socialism”. Social Security, Medicare, Police, Highways, WIC, Libraries, Freeways, Unemployment, Street lamps and or any lighting paid by the Gov’t (city included), The U.S Military (Paid by the Government using tax dollars)? All Socialist programs….. and I’m sure I didn’t get all the programs.

            If your whining about Socialist programs please feel free to not use them.
            (Capitalism doesn’t pay for any of these programs.

          • julianenglish

            You don’t really believe what you just wrote, do you? The fact is, vacations are largely an illusion for any modern president, Democrat or Republican. Everywhere they go, their “office” goes with them. All vacations are working vacations. But if you insist on making a partisan issue of it, you’re going to argue that Reagan and Bush Jr. were just trying to save us poor tax payers a few bucks by vacationing on their ranches. Really? First of all, bullshit. Second, both Reagan and Bush were multimillionaires before ever elected to the presidency, with huge personal estates/ranches on which to vacation. Obama come from much more humble circumstances. If sure if he owned a ranch, he’d spend some of his vacation time there.

          • Candy Peterson

            google what obama is worth,,,

          • julianenglish

            Reread what I wrote. He’s a millionaire now, mostly due to his book. But he did not have the wealth of California’s former governor or the inherited wealth of bushes sr and jr. Thus, he has no great estate or ranch at which to vacation. The while vacation thing is ared herring.

          • JoseCuervo

            You can’t really compare 1,020 days Bush spent on vacation with Obamas time off… The problem is that Bush wasn’t cheap. He was the most expensive vacation president in U.S. history Not only Bush took more vacations than any other, he used AirForce one more than any other President during his vacations. He used Airforce one like his personal taxi service. In response to growing criticism that the Bush was on vacation too much, the Bush administration adopted the Rovian tactic of scheduling, “work events” while the president was in Crawford so that they could claim that President Bush’s vacations were working vacations.No matter how much “working vacation” you want to give to Bush, his numbers are historic. Maybe if Bush spent some more time “working” in DC instead of at the Ranch his presidency would have been much better.

          • julianenglish

            I think i’ve been misunderstood or you meant to respond to someone else. I agree with you on this, Jose

          • JoseCuervo

            yeah that was meant for Sam…. sorry.

          • Lady Willpower

            Only Republicans pay any attention to that “Rules for Radicals” nonsense.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Only the low information voters believe that.

          • Candy Peterson

            Republicans pay attention to it and dems live it! :) By the way I am independent and I pay attention to it too… It will not work in America much longer!!

          • JoseCuervo

            You can’t really compare 1,020 days Bush spent on vacation with Obamas time off… The problem is that Bush wasn’t cheap. He was the most expensive vacation president in U.S. history Not only Bush took more vacations than any other, he used AirForce one more than any other President during his vacations. He used Airforce one like his personal taxi service. In response to growing criticism that the Bush was on vacation too much, the Bush administration adopted the Rovian tactic of scheduling, “work events” while the president was in Crawford so that they could claim that President Bush’s vacations were working vacations.No matter how much “working vacation” you want to give to Bush, his numbers are historic. Maybe if Bush spent some more time “working” in DC instead of at the Ranch his presidency would have been much better.

          • julianenglish

            Bill, you are absolutely right that Obama hasn’t vacationed excessively, but that isn’t really the point with these people. What really pisses them off is seeing a black guy on his feet playing golf, instead of on his knees pulling weeds.

          • Patrick Matson

            Loyalty is admirable, but what does this president have to do to get you to not support him, kill babies, oops he already does that. Maybe cut medicare advantage for your grandma, oops he did that. Maybe you may be out of the loop.

          • JoseCuervo

            Did he make money killing babys like Romney did when he invested in Stericycle? A Medical Waste Management firm that specialty is aborted fetuses? Really , Obama killed babies hu? gotta love the manufactured lies the tea party feeds you that you all repeat like sheep

          • fester0420

            Susan Daniels Obama could spend the rest of his term on vacation, and it still would be less days than Bush spent on vacation.

          • Sam Houston

            Care to back that statement up with verifiable facts? Bush would also conduct State Business while at his ranch. I do recall many foreign leaders met him there. What’s Obama got? Nothing but a list of celebs as golfing partners.

          • LuFisherBody

            oh what President hasn’t entertained “state business” while on a vacation!

          • Sam Houston

            Obama. Name one thing he did while on his vacation. Taking a vacation while on an Official State visit does not count. We are going to compare apples to apples here. What State business did Obama do on his vacation to Hawaii? Did he pay his respects at the USS Arizona Memorial? Did he meet with Da Hui on the Northshore about the ever pending encroachment of tourists and investors to make a Northern Waikiki? Did he meet with Japanese-Americans about the effects on their Families from the Tsunami? Did he speak with the Military Commanders and Community Relations Councils to entertain relational improvements betwixt the two? I would have to say no because none of that was put out. He did probably check the security seal on his actual BC though. Being President is a 24/7 job. Just like in the Military (for which he is the Supreme Commander of), even on Leave or Liberty, you are still on Duty and could be recalled back at a moments notice. Therefore, when he is out on the links with his a-list buds, he does little in the way of State Business.

          • Kermit the Forg

            You’re ignoring the fact that Obama takes far less vacation than Bush (28%) or Reagan (53%), But since you insist:

            In August, Obama was being briefed on Middle East security threats while on vacation.

            During Hurricane Irene, he cut his vacation short to get back to Washington and oversee emergency preparations.

            Obama delayed his 2010 Christmas vacation to be in Washington to sign an extension of the Bush tax cuts.

            And that’s just the first few easily Google-able examples. What are you really trying to prove here?

          • jason stolow

            Awesome. I need you on my facebook page to help argue with these cretins

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh .. look at you with all the facts….. and Sam got owned. Saved me the trouble :)

          • Patrick Matson

            Obama is always on Vacation or golfing.His minions are running the show. He did not even read the Bills he has signed Bush in Africa was on a humanity mission

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO.. you are deluded…. Obama vacations days up to today less than 100…. Bush vacations days taken 1,020 days.
            Read that slowly i wouldn’t want your lips to get tired.

            http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/

          • Patrick Matson

            People like you is why communism keeps coming up and slavery starts all over again. There is 365 days a year so he was on vacation three years of vacation, bull s^(t liberal media would have been on all that and he would never get a second term. Obama is a foreign national bent on destroying the imperial USA. He cuts nukes, he cuts military, he apologizes and bows to the Saudi king. He inserts himself only when a black person may be perceived to have injustice done to them, .e.g. Those cops acted stupidly and my favorite ‘if Travon Martin was my son. code for I’m black and you are too. He comments on issues he does not have info on. If the electorate were fully informed of Obama’s lies and radical past and the company he holds such as Holder and Rev. Wright, IF HE WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN DEMOCRAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED THE FIRST YEAR.Democrats control schools and media. Indoctrination has worked on the young, and the old are dying off, the older generation understands the evils of communism. the young do not have a clue. I am 43 and had ate all dinners with family gathered around the table discussing Jimmy Carter, now after Obama, Carter is looking really good now. After Carter’s one term came Reagan for two terms, he was so popular his VP Bush SR. was brought in for four, however his base left him when he broke only one promise. Republicans have higher morals, and kicked him out. Clinton was neutered after he tried an Obama thats when congress became Republican by voters who hated Clinton’s lies and policies. People who voted for Obama again are out of the loop, hate religion and or are very selfish and want gay rights or immigration and the right to murder babies. Jose is Latino, if u are Catholic my educated guess is you do not attend mass regularly and pray. I hope I’m wrong and I will pray for you to see the truth. God bless

          • JoseCuervo

            Lmao you are insane…

            So you were discussing Carter hu? lots of personal insight you must have on Carter considering you were 7 years old when he was president..

            Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Patrick Matson

            Jose did u watch SOTU tonite. I was busy and wanted to clean the toilet. The toilet at least does what I want when I pull the handle. It keeps its promise by removing waste. Obama would make a lousy toilet. Mentally INSANE is usually reserved for people who have serious issues relating to reality, due to the complexity of the brain and the many aspects of it, I do no justice trying to explain it to you in a blog; However, statistically why are more liberal minded people live in California and New York. Could it be the amount of smog, water quality issues, Makes one think. MJ and drugs do illicit brain responses, I just now had a revelation chemicals do cause brain damage and in its own right, probably the culprit to large segments of the population being not able to reason. And need big government to take care of them. Democrats of the 1960’s are todays republicans. The Democrats of today are brain damaged. Thanks for writing there maybe hope. Most Dems usually do not respond. Later

          • JoseCuervo

            “However, statistically why are more liberal minded people live in California and New York.could it be the amount of smog, water quality issues,”

            I will answer your veil two part question..
            Although you are right about California ( even a mentally challenged person like you would know that), according to Web MD New york does not even make the top 20 cities with the worst smog in the country. Also most list in regards of worst drinking water do not have NY in the tp 10 at all……. but what would you know about facts? You still believe Obama was born in Kenya,

            Now…. why would those towns have more liberals? Answer: Education… California , NY as well as Massachusetts have the best colleges in the country and most liberals are just smart educated people.. that is just the facts….. studies back it up.

            http://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/study-are-liberals-smarter-than—conservatives

            http://www.politicususa.com/2012/01/26/conservatism-stupidity-racism.html

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html

            Also Democrats of the 60’s are the same as today…… the switch in the Ideologies of the two parties actually takes place sometime between, let’s say, 1872 and 1936. Again, I repeat…. what would you know about facts.

            keep typing, you keep showing the class your lack of knowledge and class..

          • Patrick Matson

            Can you explain to me about the weather Underground and Bill Ayers who is a professor at Harvard, with a FBI File for blowing up government and police stations during the sixties and was dismissed of charges due to improper search and seizure conducted by the FBI. YOU mean indoctrinated by professors who have themselves been indoctrinated. These professors never had to put their teachings to the test and actually make money from it in the private sector. They have huge unions and protections. They make their money by extravagant student fees that are piled on to student loans.Here are some popular liberal fads I do not hear any more 1960 all schools must install asbestos in classrooms to save energy, cause mesothelioma. 1970 do not build bigger highways, just take a way a lane and make it a carpool lane,caused many deadly accidents 1980 the ozone hole, no such thing.1990 global warming , Dupont was only company who donated the most money to Clinton, Clinton outlawed all CFCS while attending Montreal Protocol and other world leaders bought the story.Freon 12 was 50 cents a can. Now it is if u can find it in USA is $75 a pound.The new refrigerant 134a just happened to be available right when we needed it, how convenient.The proprietary blend was not shared with other refrigerant makers. This freon 134a is still at $20 a pound.Sounds to me a business squeeze out. Dupont wins and dems get more campaign donations. R12 is used in Mexico and China. Many scientists need research money and many colleges recruit these professors to solicit government money from their research to benefit the colleges.The government doesn’t follow up on the funds and each renewal of more grants is done by political lobbyist. China is making all our stuff and record polluting, the world is still here. China is rich and USA is regulated out of business.Commercial advertisers spend millions a year to convince people to consume or buy something. This is also indoctrination. College students study what some one else s work, not through their own analysis. They are told that it is the truth. 1970 Psychology book has a chapter on homosexuals as a mental disorder. Today it is now inaccurate.why? political policies and gay movement.Education is revised constantly sometimes from breakthroughs and other times through political pressure.The only studies that I believe are constant and accurate is MATH, and chemistry.Every other study is revised, and changed to meet personal political persuasions ,depending on who was appointed the Secretary of education. NOW I KNOW WHY OBAMA ALSO GOT IN TWICE LIBERALS SUCK AT MATH. most of them believe it was the wars, they came to 1.2 trillion total costs for 10 years. Obama all by himself doubled the national debt.Stock market is being pumped with m2 money supply.

          • JoseCuervo

            HAHAHAHA you are really crazy…. I just keep coming back to see what is the next conspiracy belief you going to write next. I just sit here with my popcorn and laugh at ya.

          • Patrick Matson

            I am very happy you are not brain dead and take the time to read my comments.At least you have the interest to discuss politics.Hopefully I planted a seed. I was you when I was 18, I thought big government was the answer.Now I understand the constitution more than ever. It has checks and balances in case Americans put a dictator in by mistake.Big government was all about complete control. Adolf Hitler exploited this.Young people flocked to him with his false intentions.History does repeat it self. When history is forgotten or not passed down to the next generation, Adolf Hitler and other evil dictator types come back. PEACE

          • JoseCuervo

            BWAHAHAHAHAHA… seriously man….. no one is going to take anything you say seriously when you bring words like dictator or Hitler in a conversation about the President of the United States.
            And if you really understood the US Constitution like you claim you do, you would also stop bringing up a Presidents religious beliefs into a political discussion.

          • JoseCuervo

            HAHAHA yeah bush in Africa on humanity mission.. yeah ok… the safari they took was for humane reasons.. uh hu

          • Patrick Matson

            One last comment, If the president of the USA was a real leader he could find common ground and unite people of different backgrounds. We would not even be discussing this and there would be happiness among most citizens. The media gave him a free pass and key to everything, no checks , no vetting no research. He got a free ride, he should be popular, why is he not? and all these arguments every where in most chat rooms, blogs, etc. have polarized the majority of those who at least care enough to talk about it. Obama is not transparent what so ever, how hard is it with today’s computers, still waiting for the Healthcare law in PDF or any format its been 3 years. He also has an official White house photographer, no other presidents ever had that set up.what else is he hiding.

          • Al Meullier

            Why on the day before his inauguration had the GOP already decided that they were not going to work with the President and quote “make him a one-term president?” The reality is, Obama tried to reach across the aisle but got his hand slapped by the GOP. He could have done a lot more in the first few years but didn’t because he had this delusion that the racist, entitled, GOP would actually work with a black President. That is the bottom line. What the GOP has done to the POTUS is unprecedented and obviously racist! There is no denying that!

          • Patrick Matson

            wow too much MSNBC for you. Do you not at least know Obama lied about working with Republicans. He did not have to on January 8th 2008 because The senate and house were both majority Democrat. The House and Senate were completely at majority. We had Harry Reid Senate and Nancy Pelosi House. The complete government was Filibuster proof for Democrats and thus Obama had immediately went behind closed doors,with his dominions and ignored the GOP completely, why because GOP would not put up with a Socialist agenda with total annihilation of our great medical. Obama is supposed to be smart, and he knew that his policies were so extremist, they would never fly.Democrats did not even read the Health care Obama care act. Please. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you do not follow politics. I suggest research your sources as I do. I have videos from Obama that he tells Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden , we do not need GOP .1993–1995 Democrat Clinton D senate D house. this list repeats 1995-1997 D-R-R 1997-1999 D-R-R 1999-2001 D-R-R 2001-2003 R-D-*R 2003–2005 R-R-R 2005–2007R-R-R 2007-2009 R-D-D 2009–2011 D-D-D 2011-2013 D-D-R2013-2015DDR

          • Al Meullier

            It is funny that you immediately assume that my filter is MSNBC because it doesn’t meet up with your cognitive dissonance. I work too much to be able to watch television so, I try to keep up with events through various more reputable forms of media, i.e. Foreign Affairs, Washington Post, etc. Actually, Obama did not lie about working with Republicans. I challenge you to provide proof of your claim otherwise you are talking out your you know what.

            On the contrary, take a look at any of the bills that passed during the POTUS’ first term in office and you will see that both sides (Dems and Repubs) voted for those bills. I am not going to assume that your filter is Fox News, Breitbart, WND, etc but my guess is I would be spot on if I did make that assumption since your information above is so obviously ill-informed. I am more informed about the real inner-workings of politics than you for numerous reasons I don’t need to discuss.

            Finally, to claim that you have videos doesn’t mean you do have those videos. Am I just supposed to take your word on it? Even if he said that they do not need GOP, that doesn’t mean anything, technically during his first two years he did not need the GOP to pass anything but he chose to include them. In the real world, words mean absolutely nothing, especially in politics, actions on the other hand mean everything! Try not to embarrass yourself again by responding and putting out BS unsupported claims that mean nothing without context. You are following Karl Rove 101, find evidence to support your fallacious position while disregarding facts to the contrary.

            As far as your last bit of information provided, you need to make a much better explanation of what you are inferring since it is not clear to me or others who don’t live in your paranoid, schizophrenic world of fear and anger toward a black president in the white house.

          • Patrick Matson

            Sam got owned, Just what you said on the blog. That is street thug terminology. Not educated period. The proper english response, COLLEGE LEVEL”Thank God, my adversary Sam was properly addressed and corrected’ or FIFTH GRADE LEVEL “I am so happy that my work was done for me and Sam was answered for me.

          • JoseCuervo

            uhm….talk about Zombie thread revival…. did you really had the need to write such a mentally challenged response to a comment I wrote 5 months ago? I have a PhD in medicine, just because I used a colloquialism in jest does not reflect in anyway my level of education. Adversary? Was this a battle or a war… talk about calling the kettle black. And for your comment.. you have won today’s award….

          • Patrick Matson

            Footnotes for those facts would be nice. Not liberal spin please

          • JoseCuervo

            Why? Are you so dumb or lazy you cannot do a simple google search a 3rd grader could do?

            Since I know your lips might get tired reading all his information, or you can look at the cute graphic if you are too lazy to read…. I would start with the 1st link. Mark Knoller is the foremost authority on Presidential stats including vacations.

            Obama’s vacations and golfing by the numbers

            http://news.yahoo.com/-obama%E2%80%99s-vacations-and-golfing-by-the-numbers–165241111.html

            “As of Aug. 13, 2013, Obama is
            on his 15th vacation trip, covering all or part of 96 days total. He’s spending this vacation in Martha’s Vineyard with his family.
            At the same point in his presidency — Aug. 13, 2005 — George W. Bush had made 51 visits to his ranch in tiny Crawford, Texas, totaling all or part of 335 days.

            Bush also traveled seven times to his family’s oceanside compound in
            Kennebunkport, Maine, covering all or part of 26 days — bringing his
            total number of vacation days at this point in his presidency to 349
            days. (335+26 doesn’t = 349, but remember the “all or part of” caveat.)

            http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/whos-counting-at-the-white-house-mark-knoller-is/

            Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html

            COLUMN: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President-
            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/column-record-breaker-bush-takes-most-vacation-days-for-sitting-president/

            Bush Spent 5 Times More On Flights To Texas Than Obama’s Christmas Vacation Costs
            http://www.politicususa.com/2011/12/23/cost-obama-christmas-vacation-bush.html

            Obama’s Vacations? Of Any President, Bush Racked Up the Most
            http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/

            Obama has taken less vacation time than Bush did

            http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/obama-has-taken-less-vacation-time-than-bush-did/2136880

            The Most Vacationing President in U.S. History: George W. Bush

            http://www.crewof42.com/flashback/the-most-vacationing-president-in-u-s-history-george-w-bush/

            George W. Bush: The War President is Missing in Action

            http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush:_The_War_President_is_Missing_in_Action

            CBS’s Garrett Hints George W. Bush is A Serial Vacationer Compared to Obama

            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2013/08/12/cbss-garrett-hints-george-w-bush-serial-vacationer-compared-obama

          • Patrick Matson

            Your a great person!

          • EvidenceBasedDecisions

            Dear oh deaar oh dear ….. why dont you google “vacation time by presidents” – then come back and apologise ?

            I am going to hazard that your “information” source was Fox.

          • Sam Houston

            Former President Bush, like Former President Reagan, took their vacations on their own private property. Both men would tend to their ranches like real men and not stately kings. Reagan had horses and Bush had cattle. They even entertained Heads of States at their ranches. Obama, well, he has to have some celeb up his butt at all times and while he is out hitting the links on his non-stop campaign tour of 6+ years, the First Lady Queen Michele has racked up a lot of frequent flyer miles traveling the globe on lavish trips.

          • JoseCuervo

            I love when they use their “working: vacation defense

            Bush’s “working vacations” cost taxpayers a small fortune in travel costs because President Bush and his staff would make day trips on Air Force One all across the country in order to counter the criticism that he was on vacation too often. For eight years, Bush essentially used Air Force One as his personal vacation taxi service.

            During Bush’s two terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to $68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time, and $20 million total for Bush’s ranch flights.

            That doesn’t count his European trips and his 2 Africa trips or Laura’s safari with the twins or their fun trip to Rio. And the list goes on.

            Bush was on vacation for 1,020 days out of eight years, that is 1/3 or 33% of his presidency on vacation.

            Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there.

            Bush said he really “wanted to change the tone in Washington.” Maybe he could have changed that tone if he’d spent just a little bit more time there, in the nation’s capital.

            I’ll try this at work, I will tell my boss I want to work from home 9 months out of a year because.. well I have a computer at work so why not.. I will bring up Bush as an example to see if he will bite.

            Save your drivel. No one’s buying it.

          • Patrick Matson

            Michele all by herself racked up 875,000 on one trip back from Hawaii for her BDAY. I check facts before I post. I do not or have taken the time to add all lavish expenses so I will not comment on what I do not know. Michele all by her self is enough

          • Patrick Matson

            BTW I use my real name, not fester0420 or bigdog or Jose Cuervo. People muist be afraid of being tracked down hummm would u feel the same with out Obamas NSA and IRS

          • JoseCuervo

            Actually Jose Cuervo is my real name Dumbazz

          • JoseCuervo

            Please tell the class how much money Bush spent in his 2 African trips. Or Laura’s 5 African trips and he safari with her daughters. We are waiting

          • JoseCuervo

            Please patrick tell us how much Laura spent in her 5 trips to Africa, her safari with he girls.. she always bring the girls… Also her ten-day trip to Paris, Budapest and Prague in 2002 or her trip to Burma with the girls , or panama…. list goes on

          • dannyo66

            Bush only took 879 vacation days during his presidency. A lot of his time was spent at his ranch building fences and tending his cattle, but he also conducted business there too, so not every second at his ranch was vacation time.

          • JoseCuervo

            You say he only took 879 days as if that was a low number. Obama hasn’t even hit 100 yet. But in reality Bush took 1,020 days off this is documented. “Working vacations ” ha

          • dannyo66

            Regardless of how many vacation days a president took, the real issue is how much of the taxpayers money they spent on vacation. In 2011 alone, Obama spent 1.4 billion dollars, that’s $1,400,000,000.00 on vacations. In his first 3 years, he spent more money on vacation than President Bush did his whole 8 years. President Bush , like President Reagan, also spent his weekends at his ranch. How many of those weekend days are counted as his “vacation” time?

          • JoseCuervo

            uhm… hey genius… you can;t say the days they spend on vacation don;t matter and then said what is important is what tax payers money pay…. here is a clue.. tax payers paid for every single one of those 1,020 days bush was on vacation….

            No a problem with your statement… the 1.4 billion you are claiming is not for vacations.. See the official GOP line goes like this

            “Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion dollars on everything from staffing,
            housing, flying and entertaining President Obama and his family last
            year, according to the author of a new book on taxpayer-funded
            presidential perks.” that they took from a book titled.. “The 1.4 Billion Dollar Man: Costs of the Obama White House’ written by John F Groom who is also a cartoonist who racial prejudices in his Obama cartoons are rather self evident.

            So lets see, there’s one slight problem with this outrageous FAKE outrage. The total
            cost for the White House under Republican president George W. Bush in
            the year 2008 came to a grand total of $1,592,875,254, or $1.6 billion
            dollars. Using this number we find that the Obama White House spent $0.2
            billion less, or a net savings of $200 million dollars. (These figures don’t include classified expenses

            • Bush White House 2008: $1,592,875,254

            • Obama White House 2011: $1,400,000,000

            • Net Savings Under Obama: $192,875,254

            Nothing to see here..

            Adjusted for inflation Bush’s $1,592,875,254 price tag comes to $1,704,411,959 in 2012 dollars.

          • julianenglish

            Excellent review, but wasted words, unfortunately. No matter how solid the evidence, some ideologues will not budge.

          • Patrick Matson

            U must be under twenty

          • JoseCuervo

            and you must be mentally challenged…

          • Patrick Matson

            go to http://www.debtclock.org. math doesn’t lie

          • JoseCuervo

            your link doesn’t work. no wonder you have bogus delusions

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-bush-by-the-numbers/

          • stephen

            JoseCuervo so a liberal station is your proof? So I guess fox news is the only liar huh. I would like to have a non biased source to tell me this stuff then I might believe.

          • julianenglish

            CBS is liberal? You must be joking.

          • JoseCuervo

            Fox News second largest owner is a Shariah Loving Muslim that hates america. you keep watching them and making the prince money

          • julianenglish

            Thinly veiled racism. Go ahead, deny it. But in your heart you know that it pisses you off to have a Black man and his beautiful wife in the white house.

          • Sam Houston

            Same to you. Your use of Fox as a scape goat demonstrates your pretention of Liberal fantasy. Look at my post to Bill.

          • JoseCuervo

            I know right… Why can’t Liberals understand that Fox News is more American than MSNBC & CNN?

            Fox News’ top two owners, Australian Rupert Murdoch and a Shariah loving Muslim Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, will continue to demonstrate that Fox News is more American than MSNBC & CNN.

            Why do Libs continue to side with foreign un-American organizations like GE/Comcast-owned MSNBC, or Ted Turner-owned CNN?

            I side with the REAL AMERICAN Fox News, because Al-Waleed bin Talal said so.

          • dannyo66

            Bush did take the most vacation days in modern time, but like noted above, he spent the vast majority of his vacation time at his ranch in Crawford Texas. Obama, however, in his first 3 years, had spent more of the United States taxpayer dollars on his vacations than Bush did all 8 years of his presidency.
            In 2011 alone, he spent 1.4 BILLION, that’s $1,400,000,000.00.
            That’s the issue I take. Obama can’t go anywhere without his entourage, all of whom make more money than anyone of us can dream of making, and all at the taxpayers expense.

          • JoseCuervo

            If you do your research. Bush entourage was bigger and costlier

          • Patrick Matson

            My apologies you were named after a drink

          • JoseCuervo

            don’t be , my name is a conversation started with women at bars that and my good looks just gets me laid on the regular……… I’m sure been friendly with a lot of females is a foreign concept to you.

            hello, my name is patrick matson.. oh yeah that’s interesting….. said no one ever

          • Patrick Mat