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Sorry, But You Were Dumb For Supporting The Iraq War

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Iraqi FreedomOn the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War, some people are writing up mea culpas on their war support – some more honest than others – and the proper response is supposed to be an acknowledgement that we all make mistakes and it would have been an honest failure to support the Bush administration’s adventure in Iraq.

Bull.

In early 2003, I was a 25 year old college dropout who didn’t know a whole lot about politics working temp jobs in the suburbs of Boston. But I had the sense to know that the Iraq War was a bad idea, and other, more educated and smarter people should have known better.

Here’s what I wrote just a few weeks before the invasion:

There is no real argument that Saddam Hussein is a menace, and an entity that should not be allowed to have any weapons of mass destruction – nuclear or chemical.

The rhetorical leap our president makes is what should give rational people pause. By our president’s word, Saddam Hussein plans to (or already has) share his weapons with Islamic terrorists in their attacks against America or its allies. The evidence of this is scant, and quite simply conjecture without solid proof that has not been presented to American citizens or to the United Nations. If this evidence does exist, we must ask why it hasn’t seen the light of day. Since we cannot make foreign policy of this importance rely on “maybe”, this is vital.

Going back over my old writing, I am reminded that I often operated under the premise that maybe Hussein did have some sort of weapon of mass destruction. But even under that scenario, I argued that a war of invasion and occupation was a bad idea.

Why? Because at the time – as it is now – our major enemy was Al Qaeda and affiliated terrorism. Invading Iraq took our eye of the ball, and the administration’s case for connecting Iraq to Al Qaeda was filled with holes, and even 25-year-old Oliver could see this.

So it isn’t okay or permissible for people who should have been smarter about it to have supported the war anyway.

The Iraq War wasn’t just a policy position that didn’t work out. It was a conflict that killed thousands of human beings, including 4,000+ of our own citizens who put their lives in the hands of our leaders. It wasn’t a situation of government wasting money on hammers or space toilets, but the security of our nation and our allies that was on the line.

I wasn’t alone in my opposition to the war. There were millions of us across America and the entire planet. We were right. Our course of action would have saved lives and kept us safer.

If you supported the war, you were wrong. And even if you went on to be a great person or public servant, that is an eternal blot on your existence in this world and the next.

  • Bendover

    Can everyone please say a GIANT GOOD BYE to The Dark Avenger and thank him for being a giant puss filled pimple on your ass. He will surely be missed.

    Good bye, asshole.

    Ben in Cali

  • Bendover

    A horrible mistake? By who’s standard? A bunch of liberal bloggers? Seriously? You all need to have your heads examined. You are safe and secure in this great country because o the actions of the greatest President George W. Bush. This clown you all elected has ruined this great country. To the contrary, he is the WORST president in U.S. history. Brack Hussein Bamako. A flipping Kenyan born anti American.

    Ben in Cali

    • The Dark Avenger

      You’re a moron, and I mean that in the best sense of the word.

  • Zython

    Oh! Another Dennis sockpuppet. I wonder if this one is going to start spouting of anti-semitic slurs, too?

    • The Dark Avenger

      Nah, it’s not Dennis, but our old friend Tom the Dufner of Glen Rock, NJ.

      Tommy Boo-Boo, why do you think anybody gives a damn about your moronic postings here?

      • Bendover

        You have been reported to thedailybanter for using people’s personal information. I told them, that if you continue to use this guys name and address on this blog, that I will personally contact him and recommend to him that his local authorities be in contact with you. You are breaking the law big boy.

        Ben in Cali

        • The Dark Avenger

          Tom Dufner, thanks for sharing.

          • Zython

            Aw, looks like I missed something good. Ah well.

  • Eric

    Excellent. Keep on being perfect. With luck somebody will give you the worship you deserve. Or nail you to a cross. Maybe both if you’re lucky.

  • Bendover

    Lets face it, Iraq was a necessary step towards securing our freedom. Anyone who doesn’t believe that is an unpatriotic fool, and yes that is you if you disagree.

    Ben in Cali

    • Tbone

      Yea, I’m totally more free because of the war!

  • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

    lOlz @ the title :)

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

    Perhaps this article in the Atlantic will help jog Dennis’ memory:
    wwwDOTtheatlanticDOTcom/politics/archive/2013/03/behold-the-hatred-resentment-and-mockery-aimed-at-anti-iraq-war-protesters/274230/

    • Dennis

      Thanks, Froth, but my memory doesn’t need jogging. I seriously doubt Zython was reading Instapundit or National Review at the age of 14 or 15. Even less likely he was out leading a protest of any kind or even participating in one. It’s hard to imagine what he thinks he’s owed an apology for now, or from whom.

      • Zython

        I seriously doubt Zython was reading Instapundit or National Review at the age of 14 or 15. Even less likely he was out leading a protest of any kind or even participating in one.

        What makes you so damned sure of this? I know conservatives like to believe that anyone under the age of 45 is by default an idiot, but does a young politicialy-aware person confuse you that much?

        • The Dark Avenger

          “but does a young politicialy-aware person confuse you that much?”

          That doesn’t mean you can’t tell us your own stand on the issue at the time, Dennis, but nice deflection of the issue at hand.

      • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

        Dennis, your entire argument rests on the following: “Because Zython was a teenager, he wasn’t called names by other teens for opposing the war” while completly ignoring the fact that those on the left were called all sorts of vile names, subtly and not so subtly by the media, and more viciously on the web. You also discount that a teenager could very well be interested in the possibility of war, even though those in their mid teens could very well wind up fighting that war in a few years if things went badly.

        • Dennis

          Ya, Frothy, in fact I don’t discount that a teenager could be that actively interested in the Possibility of war ten years ago, or worried about fighting in one. I just don’t believe Zython was a young Abbie Hoffman like he’d like to envision himself having been. You see, he’s been posting here for a food five years that I’ve seen, and if he was like that, he’s the sort who’d be telling us all about it, like Repack does about his bikes and his pianos. And if he was concerned about fighting in one himself, it was rather odd of him to steal the identity of a currently-serving Iraq War vet’s mother so he could make it apear as if she were some anti-American, racist homophobe. What I know of him and what he’s written over the years and his unbelievably obnoxious assholery to every conservative who’s ever posted here, the profile of the politically conscious teen does not fit who he is or could’ve ever once been.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            So your entire argument has to do with your fee-fees. Holy FSM but you are one warped individual.

          • Dennis

            Entire argument, no. It was one comment you challenged me on that I responded to.

          • Dennis

            No fee-fees hurt on my account, I’ll take anything he or any of you guys throw out. I just think he’s full of shit and he writes stuff that is pure bs that most times is from some far left whack job blog that he just happened to read that day.

          • Zython

            he’s the sort who’d be telling us all about it

            What the hell are you talking about? I make it a point not to divulge detailed information about my personal life. Lest I get creepy phone calls from people like you (like you did to DA) or worse.

          • Dennis

            I make it a point not to divulge detailed information

            Yeah, except for some strange reason you started out telling us you were relentlessly slandered, Zython. First time you tell us that is the ten year anniversary of the war.

            You’re bullshitting.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I have to flag this comment, Dennis. Rule 3 and all that.

          • Dennis

            Seriously dude, GAFL.

          • The Dark Avenger

            That’s hilarious, Denny Boo-Boo, you’re the one who is in an apparent frenzy this morning to answer some comments I’ve made here and there on blogs using Disqus. This isn’t your blog or your rules, and if you can’t follow the rules here, than perhaps you need to step away from the computer and take a walk in your lovely neighborhood instead of focusing on me.

            Other people are starting to flag your comments and getting them deleted, I can see why that would give you your current case of cosmic butthurt this morning.

          • Dennis

            Just one deletion and that was also you. I’m sure Ben is so happy to have to respond to your constant baiting/whining/flagging strategy that you brag about so much on here, DA. Especially after he told you to knock it off.

            #DAneedstoGAFL.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Nope, Denny Boo-Boo, I didn’t flag the comment where you got into my personal life that got deleted.

            . I’m sure Ben is so happy to have to respond to your constant
            baiting/whining/flagging strategy that you brag about so much on here,
            DA.

            I’m sure he’d be happier if he didn’t have trolls like you who can’t follow his simple rules here posting all the time.

            I’m sorry that you can’t take responsibility for your inability to follow the rules here, but that you have to spend your Sunday morning telling me to get a life when the flurry of comments you’ve made at Atrios, Pandagon, and here in response to me clearly indicate who needs to get a life around here.

            Have a good life, cowboi.

          • Dennis

            Dude, a few days ago you actually bragged about being a househusband in telling me what a purposeful life you have. That’s pretty much all you could come up with.

            You need to man up and GAFL before it’s too late.

          • The Dark Avenger

            So you’re against househusbands, Dennis? Afraid that putting on an apron = bilateral orchidectomy?

            Your anxieties and neurosis on display today are most fascinating, and I wish I had time today to help you with them, but it’s almost lunchtime at the Casa Avenger, I wish you could be here as my wife makes a fantastic pastrami sandwich, with honey mustard(domestic) of course.

            Have a good life, Dennis.

          • Dennis

            Why liberals like starting lies with ‘So’?

          • The Dark Avenger

            Denny Boo-Boo, your sexism and toxic masculinity on display here remind me of a Superfund site of the mind.

          • Bendover

            Man, you have serious issues. Your endless attacks on Dennis are an absolute disgrace. This website ought to be embarrassed that they allow a mental midget like yourself post on this site. You are a buffoon, period, end of story. You are flagged and down voted

            Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            Tom, I appreciate the feedback, but if you can’t follow the rules here I’ll have to start flagging your comments here as well.

          • Bendover

            So glad that once Ben Cohen awakes, all your comments WILL be deleted and you will no longer be able to post here. Take care you LOSER. Maybe, just maybe, this will force you to stop milking the government nipples and go get a JOB…

            Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            Sorry, Tommy Boo-Boo, but that isn’t going to happen because you’re the one violating the rules with your insults here.

          • Hawkthenthousand

            Why do you have so much asshurt, Denny Boo-Boo?

          • The Dark Avenger

            Did you have a good day today, Dennis?

          • Dennis

            Always.

            I DO have a life, Dennis. Why, I’m an excellent househusband for my wife and dogs.‘ -The Dark Avenger

          • The Dark Avenger

            Thanks for sharing, Denny Boo-Boo.

          • Bendover

            Guess what Mr. Brown nose, hall monitor, I flagged your comments and down voted you for breaking every social media rule. Not to mention, using personal info, posting off topic, using foul language and personally attacking others.

            Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            Benny Poo-Poo, thanks for sharing.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Seriously, Denny Boo-Boo, get over your butthurt today. You have to go back to your cubicle serfdom tomorrow, and you have today to go for a walk or whatever instead of exhorting me to GAFL.

            Have a good life, cowboi.

          • Bendover

            So are you? The site monitor? Get a life, dude

            Ben in Cali

            P.s. I just down voted you for your stupidity

          • Zython

            Whatever. I pointed out that those that were opposed to the Iraq War were mercilessly slandered by the media and government, not to mention from people they interact with in their day-to-day lives, and that those who did said slandering would never apologize for it.

            Your insane whining about my personal life, rather than addressing this point as stated, only serves to further prove it.

          • Dennis

            You’re weaselling now, Zython. Check your comment again.

            You said ‘those of us who were relentlessly slandered…’

            Your ‘point as stated’ was that you included yourself as among those who were relentlessly slandered. And you’ve been arguing all along that you were among them. Now you’re walking that back as if to say you never meant to include yourself specifically. The point I’m making is valid, because a lot of people now try to do the same thing, the ‘I told you so’ , Monday morning quarterback types.

          • Zython

            Your ‘point as stated’ was that you included yourself as among those who were relentlessly slandered.

            Everyone who opposed the war was, in fact, slandered.

            And you’ve been arguing all along that you were among them.

            And I did oppose the war. But you decided, for some weird reason, that due to my age, I could not have opposed the war, or noticed what was being said in the media. Then you proceeded to make up some weird stories about my “Abbi Hoffman days”, which I never said, and claimed I was lying about that, too.

            Is it really that hard for you to admit that someone not even half your age was/is smarter than you?

            The point I’m making is valid, because a lot of people now try to do the same thing, the ‘I told you so’ , Monday morning quarterback types.

            How the hell does that excuse the pro-war crowd’s behavior? Is this what you’re telling yourself to excuse the thousands of American troop deaths, and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths? I guess you consider a small price to pay to protect your ego.

          • Bendover

            How old we’re you when the war began? I can then claim you are either full of crap or have a good argument. I will tell you that if you were as young as Dennis points out, you are full of crap. NO middle school kid gave a crap about the Iraq War and still doesn’t.

            Ben in Cali

          • Zython

            How old we’re you when the war began?

            What’s the magic word?

            I can then claim you are either full of crap or have a good argument.

            Who the hell died and made you the Grand Arbiter of Crap? Do I even want to know?

            NO middle school kid gave a crap about the Iraq War and still doesn’t.

            15 is high school age. Understandable that you wouldn’t know, seeing as you were probably old enough to drink when you graduated.

          • Bendover

            Listen, you don’t need to copy and paste. I know what I wrote and can follow your answers.

            That being said, yeah, you are full of crap. No 15 year old 50, 10 or current years ago cares about war. They are worried about finding out if they like girls, boys and what is on the cafeteria lunch menu for the day. Sorry dude, you are officially “FULL OF CRAP”.

            The End

            Ben in Cali

          • Zython

            You really don’t get out much, do you? Life isn’t like your Leave it to Beaver reruns.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Considering that 15 year olds can serve in the military in three years, yes I can imagine that quite a few would be interested in, and have an opinion on war, as they or their friends may wind up fighting it.

          • Dennis

            Everyone who opposed the war was, in fact, slandered.

            You’re taking a lot of poetic license and relying on semantics there, Zython. It’s way too broad of a statement to be entirely true, and you won’t step up and tell us what you did to protest that war, or how you were ‘relentlessly slandered’. I’ve told you at least ten times that’s what my argument is with you., because at a very young age, you were more than happy to assume the identity of an Iraq War veteran’s mother in order to relentlessly slander her. So unless you were out protesting in the streets or public parks and had epithets hurled at you, it’s kind of hard how you feel you were relentlessly slandered at all just because you remember holding the opinion at the time that you didn’t think it was a great idea to invade Iraq.

            More than likely what you did to that war vet’s mother on a liberal blog is how you fought other people who thought the Iraq War was the correct move. And when they argued with you for the smart-assed way you fought them, you said they were slandering you. And now you’re making it sound as if you were always this silent-type, peaceful protester who had all kinds of people going out of their way to mock and slander you, but you just stood there and took it all in. And now you want an apology from them.

          • Zython

            Look, if the idea of someone apologizing for pushing for a war without factual basis which got hundreds of thousands of people needlessly killed (in addition to calling those that thought it was a bad idea “traitors”) upsets you so much, just say so. It’s fine. Well, OK, it’s not fine, but it is what it is.

          • Dennis Butthurt Schlachter

            You’re a moron, Dennis

          • Bendover

            Can you please post on topic? Your rants are really annoying.

            Ben in Cali

    • Bendover

      Can you please post relevant to topic information? Stop trying to circumvent the system.

      Ben in Cali

  • mambochicken

    Good to see that not much changes around here.

    • Dennis

      OMG, Oliver pretty much knew if he threw some Iraq War red meat on the table it’d be like Old Home Week here.

      • mambochicken

        Nice to see you again, Dennis. I poke over here with some regularity, not as often as I once did. Frankly, your tired arguments and strange hangups here are more responsible for me coming back to the comment feed than Oliver’s post.

        The fact that you can’t just admit that the Iraq war was a bad idea, a horrible mistake, and that those responsible should be held responsible speaks volumes about you.

        • Dennis

          When I don’t post here, tumbleweeds start blowing through, mambo. When I do post, everyone complains. Go figure.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Yes, Dennis, you’re quite the irritant around here, an internet version of poison oak.

        • Bendover

          A horrible mistake? By who’s standard? A bunch of liberal bloggers? Seriously? You all need to have your heads examined. You are safe and secure in this great country because o the actions of the greatest President George W. Bush. This clown you all elected has ruined this great country. To the contrary, he is the WORST president in U.S. history. Brack Hussein Bamako. A flipping Kenyan born anti American.

          Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            GAFL.

          • Bendover

            Enjoy your last few posts. The BANDHAMMER is on its way DA.

            Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            Your optimism is most risible, Tommy boi.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Hiya Dufty!

          • mambochicken

            Yawn.

  • 16shellsfroma30aught6

    I supported the war, and I was dumb. I admit it, I bought it. Saddam Hussein was an asshole, etc., etc. This war and its aftermath were collectively my John Cole moment.

    Anybody who -still- thinks it was a good idea, well that tells me just about all I need to know about them.

  • Buzz Killington

    If you’re interested in something more thought provoking, rather than self-righteous schadenfreude, Eric Boehlert has an article titled “Could Twitter Have Stopped The Media’s Rush To War In Iraq?” up on media matters now. I’d link it, but waiting for moderation sucks.

    “Twitter could have helped puncture the Beltway media bubble by providing news consumers with direct access to confront journalists during the run-up to the war. And the pass-around nature of Twitter could have rescued forgotten or buried news stories and commentaries that ran against the let’s-go-to-war narrative that engulfed so much of the mainstream press.”

    Of course, it didn’t stop the intervention in Libya. That’s obviously not on the same scale, but the same principles were involved (lies told to justify military action).

    • Zython

      It’s interesting to speculate how social media would have change the narrative to the run-up of the Iraq War. Though I don’t know if this speculation is particularly useful. It really doesn’t make sense to look back and say “If we used this technology that didn’t exist then, none of this would have happened”.

      Although I’m interested in what “lies” were used in the justification for Libya?

      • Buzz Killington

        Well, I see its value as looking forward through the lens of the past, seeking a better path into the future. Considering whether Twitter would have made a difference then informs the question of whether it can help us avoid the same mistake now.

        About Libya, for a start (again trying to avoid a real link, sorry), Alan Kuperman wrote an Op-Ed in the Boston Globe titled “False pretense for war in Libya?”. I’ll add a link in a separate comment. Here’s a snippet that should sound familiar:

        Obama insisted that prospects were grim without intervention. “If we waited one more day, Benghazi . . . could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.’’ Thus, the president concluded, “preventing genocide’’ justified US military action.

        But intervention did not prevent genocide, because no such bloodbath was in the offing. To the contrary, by emboldening rebellion, US interference has prolonged Libya’s civil war and the resultant suffering of innocents.

        • Zython

          That would assume that Gaddafi would have simply stopped at quashing the rebellion. I’m not so sure that would have been the case.

          • Buzz Killington

            Isn’t that just saying the mere possibility of some undesirable outcome is justification for military action? And if so, couldn’t you apply that to Iraq as well (e.g. Saddam did use WMDs in the past, so might again in the future)?

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            I think we should also ask, “how would we, as a nation and as a people, react if some other nation decided to interfere with our internal affairs either diplomatically or militarily?”

          • Buzz Killington

            Good point… I don’t recall ever seeing such a discussion on the Sunday morning shows, or at least getting any traction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Dkelsmith Kelly Smith

    Define support.

  • Brucehenry

    You are absolutely right, Oliver, and it kills me that idiots like Richard Perle (heard him on NPR this morning) are still being talked to as if they had any credibility.

  • http://twitter.com/kckitty Leslie G.

    I was against the war, because I used the internet, and could not find any credible reason to start another war.

  • Zython

    And yet those of us who were relentlessly slandered for saying this was a bad idea will never get an apology.

    • Dennis

      You would’ve been about 15 at the time, and you still haven’t learned that if you want to receive respect from people, you have to respect them, too. People tend not to apologize to people that were jerks to them.

      • Treading_Water

        A conditional apology isn’t an apology at all. An apology isn’t about who you are apologizing to, it’s about looking inward and admitting you were wrong. If I am wrong, I have zero problem apologizing for it, even to people I ahve no respect for. Where is the apology for “freedumb fries?” How about the “if you’re not with us you’re agin’ us” talk of treason for those of us who didn’t see the need for an invasion and occupation of Iraq? Doesn’t that deserve at least a real mea culpa? How about turning America into Abu Ghraib in the eyes of the rest of the world? Where is the apology for turning America into a torture nation. How about the constantly shifting goalposts, whether it be WMD, or Saddam’s oppression of his own people, or whatever reason of the week we were asked to believe? How about an apology for the missing 8 or 9 billion dollars that Paul Bremer allowed to slip through his hands? We’re not talking about receiving respect. It’s a given that Cheney and his ilk have zero respect for us or our opinions. We’re talking about an honest accounting of the lies and misdirections that led up to the war and constituted the story line thereafter.

        • Dennis

          Did you expect that from Obama and Hillary regarding Benghazi?

          Oliver makes fun of anyone who asks questions or requests an honest accounting of the obfuscations, misdirections and the stonewalling this administration did over that fiasco. The two aren’t in any way comparable, but if yours, Oliver’s, Repack’s and Zython’s intentions were sincere about an honest apology, mea culpa or forthright accounting of lies and misdirections, you’d be just as fervent about the pursuit of those from this administration as you were the last. And none of you are. That’s what I mean when I say that if you want respect, you should be respectful yourself.

          • http://www.oliverwillis.com/ Oliver Willis

            Because the administration has given a full accounting of the attack, at Benghazi but you guys are obsessed with the chain of command with some talking points.

          • Dennis

            Four Americans died, Oliver. You spent the better part of a day tweeting jokes about why anyone would want to know what happened and who screwed up what to allow that travesty to happen with no protection coming in to help them. I’m not going to tell you something as asinine as it will be an eternal blot on your existence in this world and the next, but at best not one of your more noble days.

          • Treading_Water

            Four died at Bengazi. Two died at Tashkent. Twelve died at Karachi. Eleven at Dar es Salaam. Two hundred and twelve died at Nairobi. Six died at Kuwait City. Sixty-four died in Beirut. Nine died in Tehran. Twenty-two died in Saigon, then five more died 2 years later. That’s going back to 1965. As long as we have had embassies in hostile nations, our Ambassadors have been targets. They know that it’s part of the job. And yet, not until now was it a controversy that someone not even in the chain of command gave talking points that may or may not have been accurate. Susan Rice’s Sunday morning talking point did nothing to impede the investigation and as the UN Ambassador she had nothing to do with the investigation. But the Republicans are desperate for a controversy. They got very little traction with Bill Ayers or Rezko. People yawned during the big hoopla about the New Black Panthers. Even the birth certificate B.S. isn’t playing well in the center of the country.

            You see, when you get the vapors every time someone says something, eventually they start ignoring you.

          • Dennis

            You pretend to say that as if it’s coming straight from your heart and not some other blog that you just lifted it from, Treading Water.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Yes, Dennis, they don’t have the decency to make up arguments like you do around here based on nothing but horsesh*t,

          • Dennis

            DA, your obvious baiting strategy aside, if every once in a while you could slip in a comment that had something to do with the topic at hand along with it, maybe people wouldn’t think you were so boring.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Dennis, if you could concentrate on responding to the message and not vainly strive to use your limited skills of insult and repartee instead, folks here might not find you so dull and worthless, as they do now.

          • Dennis

            DA, you do know that you posted at 2:00 your time last night and just now at 5:45 your time, for nothing else other than your infantile baiting strategy and a weird, Zython-like sense of having been wronged by me, for which you desperately seek revenge. Seriously, you’re slowly killing yourself day and night in front of that lap-top having anger issues with no sleep and no activity, just hoping that the Google will somehow provide you with the perfect come-back response to me. I’m telling you this for your own good. It’s not healthy, and it’s not worth it.

          • The Dark Avenger

            DA, you do know that you posted at 2:00 your time last night and just now at 5:45 your time, for nothing else other than your infantile baiting strategy and a weird, Zython-like sense of having been wronged by me, for which you desperately seek revenge.

            Dennis, now you’re an embarrassment to every primate that is now living and has lived on this planet.

            Do you think that anyone except for a few commentators knows why you’re referring to Zython and what that has to do with me?

            Seriously, you’re slowly killing yourself day and night in front of that lap-top having anger issues with no sleep and no activity,

            Like a certain someone who didn’t stop posting until midnight their time last night?

            If I wanted to, I could set it up to be notified by text message to my cell phone whenever you or a similar fool responds to what I write here and have an answer within a few minutes ready to go.

            I don’t because I prefer to wait until I have to get up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, check this website, and get a good laugh to go back to sleep on.

            It’s not healthy, and it’s not worth it.

            The amusement I get from your hastily, poorly composed replies are worth more than a few minutes sleep Denny Boo-Boo.

            I’m sorry you couldn’t figure that out for yourself.

            Have a nice day, cowboi, maybe you should go play a few holes of golf instead of posting here and drawing attention to the ones in your head.

          • Dennis

            OMG, no one wants to hear about your nocturnal peeing frequency, DA. Every time you show up to put your weird musings on this blog, the entire thread just shuts down, like a giant buzz kill.

            Again I’m going to have to simply back away slowly from your emotional cry for help and just pray that somehow you’re getting proper treatment from the state.

            You used to lie that the reason you posted at bizarre hours was because you were in the Phillipines. Now it’s because you have to pee all night long. Liberals, yeesh.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I’ll tell you the truth, Dennis:

            When I take a sh*t, I always end up thinking about you.

          • Dennis

            The thread topic is mindless, liberal self-righteous schadenfreude over the Iraq War decision, DA. Pick a grievance and an emotion you want act out and just go with it, but try to at least occasionally say something on topic here.

          • The Dark Avenger

            You’ve managed not to mention the topic at hand until now, Dennis, so I’ll take it up.

            I did believe that there must have been some evidence that Iraq had WMD, and now we know that unless they’re in that mythical storage depot in Syria, they don’t exist, it would appear that Iraq wasn’t a threat after all.

            If you want to harass me with the details of when I started being opposed to it, go right ahead, or if you want to defend the decision on some other grounds, that’s something I could handle today.

            Talk to you later, alligator. :-)

          • Dennis

            I’m not going to harass you over your Iraq War support, but in addition to banishing you to the Facebook section for a very, very long time, Oliver is now calling you dumb and telling you your support will be an eternal blot on your existence in this world and the next.

            So other than being consigned to eternal damnation by another liberal, how’s your day going?

          • The Dark Avenger

            So, Dennis, you were against the war like Ollie was?

            Or is he also calling you dumb for your support at the time?

            So other than being consigned to eternal damnation by another liberal, how’s your day going?

            I was hoodwinked by Bush and Co, Denny Boo-Boo, which is why I never trusted anything they said afterwards. And I fail to see why Ollies disapproval should matter to you, after all, he also said about your dry drunk buddy:

            Frank, people wouldn’t jump on your stupidity if you would just try and think ONCE before you responded to a post. Instead, you write things that are untrue and continue to beclown yourself.

            So, now I’m on the same side as your buddy Frank DiSalle. Good to know.

            Thanks for demonstrating the essential hollowness and emptiness of your conservative position, Dennis.

            Have a good day if you can.

          • Dennis

            ….

          • The Dark Avenger

            A good start.

          • Zython

            I suppose if you don’t have anything smart to say, don’t say anything at all.

          • Dennis

            “Those of us who were relentlessly slandered…..”

            -’Backwards B’ Zython

            I’m surprised you weren’t on the cover of Time Magazine, Zython.

            “14yr old anti-war child prodigy, relentlessly slandered in the school cafeteria line, picking out tater tots and Salisbury steak cutlets from the lunch line, bites his lip and holds his head high at the constant taunting from class mates.”

            Hahaha.

          • Zython

            I’m surprised you weren’t on the cover of Time Magazine, Zython.

            I was Time’s Person of the Year in 2006. Look it up.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I don’t have my phone set to alert me Denny Boo-Boo, the spycams that are placed in your house are all I need to keep track of you.

          • Dennis

            Funny, you’re telling me that at 4:30 am your time. That’s after posting on here that you in fact did have your cell phone set for Disqus to alert you when I do post.

            And that after telling me you don’t give a damn about my posts.

            And that after telling everyone here you weren’t responding to my posts ever again.

            And that after countless times swearing you were leaving this blog.

            Nothing you say is the truth.

          • The Dark Avenger

            That’s after posting on here that you in fact did have your cell phone set for Disqus to alert you when I do post.

            I’m sorry, Denny Boo-Boo, but where did I post that?

            Your memory isn’t what it should be. My grandmother was around your age when she started showing similar problems with recollection and cognition. I really hope you don’t have Alzheimers’, although that would explain your inability to control your temper on this thread.

            Have a good life, cowboi.

          • Dennis

            I’m sorry, Denny Boo-Boo, but where did I post that?

            If I wanted to, I could set it up to be notified by text message to my
            cell phone whenever you or a similar fool responds to what I write here
            and have an answer within a few minutes ready to go.

            That and you come running ten minutes after I post, even when it’s 4:30 in the morning for you. Pretty obvious that’s what you do, Aqualung Freak.

            And you mention early-onset Alzheimer’s and your grandmother, that’s not hereditary, is it?

          • The Dark Avenger

            Note that I stated, “If I wanted to”, Denny Boo-Boo.

            Declarative sentences, how the f*ck do they work.

            Thanks for sharing, cowboi.

          • Bendover

            Most people on West Coast are just getting up, like me. You are either a stalker or predator, perhaps both?

            Ben in Cali

          • Bendover

            And a stalker I see. Dude, you need to get a life. You seem to live a very sad, down trodden life. Go get some help. Iraq War saved your life

            Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            GAFL, Tommy Boo-Boo.

          • Dennis

            You go girl. Tell him to do some househusbandry, so he can have the incredible life you do. Complete with cell phone alerts, long walks in the cemetery, and the occasional public library bake sale.

            Yoi.

          • Hawkthenthousand

            Thanks for sharing, Denny Boo-Boo.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            DA addressed your perptual horsesh!t.

            That was spot on “Poor Me, GOP!” victim playing cry-whiner. Please crawl back under your slimy rock & spare us any more of your pseudo-patriotic, unAmerican, Benedict Arnold BS. Thanks dumb Dennis.

          • Treading_Water

            Admittedly, I didn’t know the stats or locations of every embassy attack that resulted in deaths of Americans. Those numbers I got by doing *GASP* research. The rest of the words are entirely my own. You’re welcome to Google it and prove otherwise.

          • Zython

            Silly TW, research and understanding the situation are hollow and vain gestures. No, to be truly pure, you have to reach deep inside your ass self and find what you KNOW to be true.

          • http://www.facebook.com/john.m.hall1 John Michael Hall

            Yeah TW, why are you using facts to back up your claims. You know they have a liberal bias, therefore they are tainted and not purified with Ronald Reagan fairy dust. You need to be like Dennis and barrow all the info he got from Fox News, Drudge, Breitbart or wherever the hell he got it.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            I read an article about Hillary’s hacked -mails & the same info the gov’t gave to us was the EXACT SAME INTEL she’d gotten.

            This “conspiracy theory” farce is one of the most embarrassing & stupid things the GOP’s done to date.

          • Jezzer

            Doesn’t really matter where he got it from, if it’s accurate. Now who’s obfuscating?

          • http://www.oliverwillis.com/ Oliver Willis

            4 Americans died, the GOP has spent months obsessing not over their deaths but about *talking points*. That’s the colossal joke the right has become.

            Also, you guys didn’t care about the thousands of deaths in Manhattan or Iraq, but suddenly four deaths in Benghazi have you up at night? As if.

          • Dennis

            I honestly don’t know how you could write that knowing full well it isn’t true. It’s cheap and its lazy accusing people of not caring about others’s deaths just because you think it sounds good. 9/11 and the Iraq War are political capital for you, Oliver. Benghazi is something you want to just go away. It was political capital for you in the immediate aftermath when the media hung Mitt Romney out to dry for his initial comments at first, and you were very concerned about it, but when it became obvious that the Obama administration was trying to blame it all on phony excuse over some obscure video, suddenly your interest waned and then you started accusing conservatives of caring about Benghazi but not about the people killed on 9/11 or in the Iraq War. And that’s been your strategy since. It’s politics with you and you work for a political organization and you have to have a strategy. That’s all fine and completely understandable, but your supposed concern for truths and transparency is completely inconsistent, and phony, quite frankly.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            Fu@k you Dennis, (again)

            From a NYC resident who sees how full of crap you GOP Posers are.

          • Dennis

            Why would you think your residence gives you some kind of superiority here, jez? You’ve highlighted it here now a couple times on your first day posting here. Should I be holding you in deference because of your hard edge, your ability to summon up and print vulgarities in a sentence, or your lack of couth, perhaps, since you seem to be trying to send that message as if I might be intimidated by it. Because I’m almost of a mind to play it that way to see how far you go, just for kicks.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Oh I don’t know, maybe because thousands of her fellow New Yorkers died on 9/11??

          • Dennis

            That gives her a level of superiority on a blog post about the ten year anniversary of the beginning of the Iraq War? How so, Frothy?

          • lovely liberal

            The pseudo-patriotic Benedict Asshat knows EXACTLY why Jezebel being from NYC is relevant to his Benghazi poutrage & Iraq avoidance-cover-up-lies. He plays stupid well.

            i imagine it’s ‘cuz it’s a natural talent. ;)

          • Dennis

            It’s funny that other liberals seem to know why jezebel is bragging about being from NYC and how that’s pertinent, but jezebel won’t say. That’s what liberals do on liberal blogs, isn’t it, lovely liberal?

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            Pseudo-patriotic Benedict Asshat Dennis doesn’t know when to stfu.

            Everyone understands the relevance of “NYC” in relation to your Iraq denials & side-stepping, smoke & mirrors, of conspiracy-crazy, Benghazi poutrage because it doesn’t need elaboration.

            Nearly 3,000 New Yorkers were murdered on 9/11 you vile, unAmerican low-life. Only a dishonest dumb fu@k would get “bragging” from my posts – that’s what you are Dennis: a dishonest dumb fu@k.

            Not that this needs spelled out either but Newsflash: if you’re too stupid to comprehend the meaning of my straightforward posts, you’re too stupid to be posturing about politics WAY ABOVE your pseudo-intellectual pay grade. Typical TeaBagger trash, that’s what YOU do.

          • Dennis

            Living in NYC doesn’t elevate your opinions in status like you pretend it does, Jezebel. If you had even average debating skills, you wouldn’t try to hype up your residency to validate yourself.

            It shows a distinct lack of self-confidence. As does your reliance on Daily Kos commenters for tips on how to write cuss words on a blog.

          • lovely liberal

            “You’ve highlighted it here now a couple times on your first day posting here.” – Dennis the delusional menace

            in what world does 243 comments = “1st day posting?”

            Does Dennis suffer from conspiracy theory crazy? Or is he just propagating misinformation again to make his hateful horsesh!t appear credible? My guess is a little of both. Haha! :)

          • Dennis

            243 comments on Disqus,maybe, lurvly liberal. Not on Oliver’s site. That’s why I used the word ‘here’.

            I know that because a woman hasn’t posted here on this blog in a month of Sundays. They’ve all been scared away by cissexist, transphobic, homophobic and misogynistic liberals who hang out here.

          • Treading_Water

            Bengazi, while tragic, is nothing at all like starting 2 wars, torturing prisoners, and lying about it all the while. There is no controversy there, Bengazi is just another Republican non-troversy.

          • Dennis

            Spoken like a man who lacks the courage of his own convictions.

          • Treading_Water

            By the way, you only get full credit if you also mention Bill Ayers, ACORN, Planned Parenthood, Shirley Sherrod, New Black Panthers, Czars, or Teh Teleprompterz. Always, always use the double non-troversy so you can feign enormous poutrage.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Merl-Allen/695715159 Merl Allen

            you forgot Robert Byrd.

          • Christopher Foxx

            Dennis with the look over there.

            NEVER an acknowledgement that “Yeah, my guys were wrong.” ONLY “Look over there. Your guys were wrong.”

            We should be grateful to Dennis for providing such a clear example of the utter inability of wingnuts to recognize, let alone apologize for, their errors.

          • Dennis

            “My guys”, Christopher?

            Who are your guys?

            You tried that old BS line here that you were going to vote for McCain until he chose Sarah Palin for his running mate and you got incensed when I told you you were full of baloney. Now you’re all about my guys and your guys. How could you have voted for McCain if he voted in support of the war and never wavered? He’s a wingnut according to you and he never apologized.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Merl-Allen/695715159 Merl Allen

            we’re talking about the Iraq War, have you ever even once stuck to the topic? people like you are what make me hate cons. you’re liars and ignorant on purpose.

          • Dennis

            That’s not true at all. You enjoy hating conservatives. You seek out things that you love to hate. You don’t came here for affirmation, you come here to see who might be bashing who. When no conservatives are posting here, you’re nowhere to be found, nor do you have interest in discussing the latest liberal issues with other liberals.

            Not here, anyway.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            Typical TeaBagger never addresses the actual topic at hand. Instead you duck & deflect; Changing subjects to avoid certain culpability.

            Dishonest & preDICKtable.

      • Zython

        You would’ve been about 15 at the time

        What the hell’s your point? That calling people traitors is OK if they’re under 18?

        and you still haven’t learned that if you want to receive respect from people, you have to respect them, too. People tend not to apologize to people that were jerks to them.

        No, Dennis. You guys called us traitors. Not the other way around.

        • Dennis

          Oh, good Lord, Zython, you were barely out of middle school. Your issue wasn’t the Iraq War, it’s called being in high school and getting crap from other people, and you’re the kind of person that would’ve received it no matter which side you were on. And I seriously doubt whether you even actually declared your opinion other than maybe when your home economics teacher asked the class for an informal show of hands one day who supported the decision and who didn’t. The class clown sitting next to you who probably wasn’t even paying attention saw your hand go up and decided to call you a commie traitor just to impress some girl he had a crush on. He fucked you up then and you haven’t been the same since.

          • Zython

            Yes, Dennis. Pretend that, due to my age, I didn’t notice what was happening in the country. Pretend that I didn’t see the hate and bile constantly thrown at us on a daily basis. Pretend none of it ever happened. I hope that helps you sleep at night.

          • Dennis

            Didn’t say that, didn’t imply it. I just don’t for one minute believe that at 15 years old you were somehow leading an anti-war charge such that you were subjected frequently to charges of treason and being called a traitor, so that now you expect to be apologized to by those people now ten years hence.

            That conservative blogger whose identity you stole in order to make it appear as if she were making racist, anti-American, homophobic and anti-Semitic rants, you knew she had a son stationed in Iraq at the time, and that he was there fighting for our country. You never apologized to her for impersonating her using her real name. That proves your lack of sincerity now in seeking an apology. You frequently seek out the argument. People tend not to apologize to others who act as despicably as you do, just in case you’re wondering why none have been forthcoming.

          • Zython

            Didn’t say that, didn’t imply it. I just don’t for one minute believe

            that at 15 years old you were somehow leading an anti-war charge such that you were subjected frequently to charges of treason and being called a traitor, so that now you expect to be apologized to by those people now ten years hence.

            Why does the idea of a politically-aware high school student confuse and upset you so much?

            You never apologized to her for impersonating her using her real name.

            1. Isn’t part of your proof that I was the one who did it that I supposedly apologized in the first place?

            2. Did she ever apologize for claiming that liberals support the death of U.S. troops? No? Point-fucking-proven.

          • Dennis

            You didn’t apologize to the woman whose identity you stole, you apologized to the liberal blogger at Sadly No because she announced on the blog that the conservative blogger’s name had been hijacked, and you knew she had your IP address and could easily have known it was you. So you apologized to the liberal blogger for embarrassing the liberal blog, not the conservative blogger who had a son fighting in Iraq that you impersonated as being a deranged racist anti-American homophobe. You’re such a lying weasel, Zython.

          • Zython

            Why are you throwing a temper tantrum over the idea that someone should apologize when they are wrong? Why does the idea of accountability upset you so much?

            Not that you’ll answer this, or any question, mind you. As they would likely raise some uncomfortable truths about you.

          • Zython

            In fact, let’s run down the list, and you tell me if there’s a problem with any of the items.

            1. The Iraq War was a mistake.
            2. Many people thought that the war was a mistake from the start.
            3. During the run-up to the war, there was an intense narrative by the media and government that the war would be great, and anyone who disagreed were cowards/traitors/terrorists.
            4. Given point 1, the people in point 2 were vindicated. As such, shouldn’t they be owed an apology from the people responsible for point 3? If not, why not?
            5. What about the people who bought into and parroted the narrative, shouldn’t they apologize as well? If not, why not?

            Hell, even if the war went well, point 3 is wrong in its own right.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Crickets……………………………….

          • Zython

            Not surprising. Dennis isn’t particularly interested in actual politics, he just sees it as a cudgel for his personal vendettas. I brought up the fact that those of us that were right about the war to begin with were owed an apology by those that pushed for the war to the point of calling dissenters traitors. He then proceeds to make this an issue about me personally.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Yes, it’s a bit cowardly to make it about personalities and bringing up issues from the past, or getting pissed when someone uses the word we instead of defending his POV.

            I wonder if he’s ever advanced emotionally since the 3rd grade.

          • Dennis

            I think you’re bullshitting us, Zython. I don’t think you were a dissenter at all in any kind of discernible way ten years ago, in your middle school or in your community. And you’re just preening now.

          • Zython

            You still haven’t shown why those that pushed for the war aren’t morally culpable. All you’ve done is claim that, since I was not a senior citizen when the war started, I could not have held an opinion about it.

          • Dennis

            Oh, I think you held an opinion. I just don’t understand why you think you’re owed an apology now ten years later for memories of what you think yours was then.

          • Zython

            I just don’t understand why you think you’re owed an apology

            1. Everyone who was right is owed an apology. I still don’t get why you’re making this about me personally. I mean, I have some theories, but that’s neither here nor there.

            2. Because of the level of vitriol thrown at them was just staggering. You even admitted to remembering it, but don’t care. Why is that?

            ten years later

            Because they still haven’t fucking apologized. They’ve had a whole goddamned decade of introspection, and they still don’t find any fault within themselves.

            for memories of what you think yours was then.

            I’m not a conservative. As such, I remember things that happened before Obama was sworn into office.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            And you base this analysis on vapors

          • Dennis

            Five years and he’s never said a word, not even now will he.

          • The Dark Avenger

            You keep bringing up the past, Dennis, because you can’t deal with the present.

          • Dennis

            This blog post is about the ten year anniversary of the beginning of the Iraq War and is being used to bring up the past about old, old grievances liberals had, DA. Very weird comment by you.

          • The Dark Avenger

            You’re the one bringing up your old grievence with Zython, Dennis so if you want to see someone who is very weird, I suggest you look in the mirror.

          • Dennis

            DA, what did I do to you that you’re so butt-hurt to the point you’d answer a Disqus alert at 4:00 in the morning your time to get up out of bed to respond with some banal post that’s a repeat of a post you’ve written a hundred times on here already?

            You’re obviously still half asleep.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I dunno why you had to get up before sunrise to start this dialog again, but your bizarre obsession with Zython and I is only making you look like someone who didn’t get enough shut-eye, Denny Boo-Boo.

          • Dennis

            but your bizarre obsession with Zython and I

            That would be ‘Zython and me’, DA.

            I’m sure you’d know that if you weren’t still sleep-posting, dilrod.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I just used the wrong grammar to see if I could get you to act like a douchbag this early in the AM, Denny Boo-Boo.

            “Mission Accomplished!”

          • Dennis

            That’s a lie, you’re still sleep-posting. And as far as obsessions go, you don’t have one post on this thread that isn’t directed at me or about me. Not one, DA. You are a sick, demented, twisted soul, and you’ve already admitted that you’ve set your phone to alert you when I post here and you’re committed to doing it even if it means you have to get up at 4:00 am to do it.

            When you die from a pulmonary thrombosis from sitting at your laptop all day and night, it’s going to make me feel really, really guilty, so please, try to get a life away from thinking about me.

          • The Dark Avenger

            You are a sick, demented, twisted soul, and you’ve already admitted that you’ve set your phone to alert you

            Nope Denny Boo-Boo, if you go back to the comment that you’ve doubtlessly cut and pasted to save in your files, you’ll find I stated that I could do so if I wanted to, not that I do have an alert sent to my phone whenever someone responds to a comment I make.

            When you die from a pulmonary thrombosis from sitting at your laptop all day and night,

            That’s funny coming from a cubicle serf like you, Denny.

            it’s going to make me feel really, really guilty, so please, try to get a life away from thinking about me

            You’re the one who had to respond to me before daybreak, Denny Boo-Boo, and I doubt a sh*thead like you has ever felt guilty about anything in your life, so save me from your fake solicitude.

            But I’ve gotten you all indignant and flailing around as a start to the weekend, so have a good day, Denny Boo-Boo, if you can.

          • Jezzer

            Grammar correction: the last refuge of someone who has absolutely no real rebuttal in a debate.

          • Dennis

            Jezzer, you haven’t made even one point on this thread for which to rebut, but I’d be more than happy to if you want to take that first bold step of yours.

            The water’s still warm. Do you have anything to say?

            At all?

          • Jezzer

            I don’t see the point. Your ass has *been* rebutted up and down the comments, and all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and chant “LALALALALALALALA.”

          • Dennis

            Why does the idea of accountability upset you so much?

            Why can’t you be accountable to the woman who was the mother of an Iraq War veteran then currently serving overseas who you stole the identity of and then maliciously slandered? You expect far more than you’re ever willing to give yourself, and you’re always that way.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            Oh i see… *light bulb*

            You have a past grudge against Zython. *smh* This aside, you’ve just proven in your accusations that he was a vocal opponent of the Iraq war & thus yes, that puts him in the line of fire to be attacked as a traitor. Good grief, you can’t even maintain your own line of argument.

          • Dennis

            jez-

            It’s always Zython that is late to the thread and completely, hopelessly clueless to the discussion. Been going on for years. Are you trying to outdo him on that front as a show of solidarity?

            If so, I’m quite impressed.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            No one can out do your pathetic cry-whining Dennis.

            your teabagger TROLL title is safe.

          • Dennis

            Haven’t whined about a thing. It’s been a lot of others here stomping their feet for an apology for imagined grievances from their imagined Abbie Hoffman days.

          • Zython

            Haven’t whined about a thing.

            You’ve spent the entire thread whining about how I must be a liar because you’ve gotten it in your head that young people have no understanding of what’s happening in the world around them.

            Just pointing that out.

          • Dennis

            I never said young people have no understanding of what’s happening around them. I just don’t think you did at the time. Everything you say, write and link to comes from obscure, weird, far left- wing blogs. That doesn’t show understanding, and your despicable actions against a war vet’s mother in stealing her identity proves a low level of both intelligence and understanding.

          • Zython

            I swear, I will never understand what drives your obsessive ankle-biting.

          • Dennis

            OMG, this from the king of ankle-biters.

          • lovely liberal

            Yeah, you most certainly did liar.

          • Dennis

            I most certainly did not, lovely liberal. Perhaps you could point out where I did so.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Jaysus Dennis…Zython posted on of the first comments on this thread!

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Actually you did imply it.

          • Dennis

            Go ahead, big talker, tell us what hate and bile was thrown at you.

            You been talkin’ the talk, now walk the walk.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            it’s cute* how you keep coming back to talk trash TROLL but never (ever!) address the FACTS people smack you around with.

            cute* = cowardly

          • Dennis

            Jezebel, I haven’t seen your kind of trash talking since the last time Ben Cohen posted some comments from a Glenn Beck blog thread when he wanted to show how much more well-behaved liberal commenters were than Beck’s were. I kinda like it, though and I hope he makes a special exception for you. It’s rather entertaining.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            I like how this neocon nincompoop ASSumes the kind of person you are from your short post. It seems making astute observations & pointing out that anti-war protesters will never get an apology from the radical right makes you “the kind of person” who “gets crapped on”.

            Dennis, I already told you, your ass is not a valid reference source.

          • Dennis

            He’s been posting crap here for over 5 years, jez, and I hardly have to assume what kind of an individual he is, nor what kind he enjoys trying to be, just from that one short post.

            Yours, though, I can. Easily.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            Instead of talking non-stop horse-sh!t why don’t you pretend to address the FACTS people keep smacking you around with instead of running from them like the disingenuous coward you clearly are?

            You’re impressing no one “Poor me, GOP!” victim playing cry-whiner.

          • dbtheonly

            jezebel,

            Welcome to the thread.

            Dennis rarely holds to one argument & he constantly reiterates the same stuff over & over. The topic of the thread is hardly relevant.

            You get used to it.

          • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

            Thank you kindly.

            I have noticed his consistent trash-talk & avoidance of actual facts.

            GOP Troll is very trolly :)

          • Dennis

            The trash talk here is primarily coming from the far left side of the ledger, jez. Folks who did little more than hold an opinion on something they didn’t know anything about, who took personally general writings from people they loathed because they chose to take them personally and not because they were persecuted or castigated or subjected to any kind of material psychological harm. And they chose to lash out at any conservative who showed up here by calling them chickenhawks, because they believe someone called them traitors. No conservatives here called them traitors, though. Now, on a blog post designed for nothing other than red meat for the folks who show up in droves every time there’s one here on the Iraq War, they in fact do show up, and somehow whine about not being apologized to for a slight they remember from ten years ago. It’s amazing, actually.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Dennis, you’ve been offered links showing that people on the right, did in fact, call those who were against the war traitors, and yet you continue to hew to your delusions.

          • Jezzer

            I think you’re just being defensive because Zython had a better idea of what was going on at age 15 than you do right now.

          • Dennis

            Zython is still fantasizing about his middle school years.

          • The Dark Avenger

            And you’re a miserable excuse for a human being, Denny Boo-Boo.

          • Bendover

            Flagged- your consistent attacks on Dennis are a cause of great concern. Are you a predator?

            Ben in Cali

          • The Dark Avenger

            Ben, no, why, are you in need of one?

      • Christopher Foxx

        Dennis: you still haven’t learned that if you want to receive respect from people, you have to respect them, too. People tend not to apologize to people that were jerks to them.

        Dennis will certainly not see the irony (and hypocrisy) there. But I trust everyone else does.

        • Dennis

          I’m not the crybaby whining about vague and dubious memories of someone in high school calling me a traitor ten years ago and expecting an apology now, Christopher. No one on this blog ever called poor Zython a traitor, yet here he is filing a grievance.

          Bizarre.

          • Zython

            Seems like you’re the one with dubious memories here, Dennis*. The slander I’m talking about is the one spread by the media talking heads, and parroted by people like you. The slander that claimed that we “didn’t remember 9/11″ or that we “love terrorism” or that we “don’t care if more Americans are killed”. Remember that? Of course you don’t. You didn’t care then, no reason you should care now.

            Besides, if you had read my actual post (which you never do), you would note that I had only pointed out that we would never get an apology from those that pushed this narrative. I wasn’t asking anyone here for an apology. I mean, you sure as hell aren’t going to apologize for your crap here.

            *It’s understandable. I’ve heard meth can do that to people.

          • Dennis

            Seriously, Zython, how can you claim that you were “relentlessly slandered” at 15 years old such that you are owed an apology now? And ‘by people like me’? I never once relentlessly slandered anyone here for being anti-Iraq War. But you are the one whole stole the identity of a mother who had a son fighting in that war to relentlessly slander her, and you will never apologize to her for that. That is just amazing you could put on such a phony act here on this thread, like at 15, you were the one wronged, ‘poor, poor me’.

          • Zython

            Seriously, Zython, how can you claim that you were “relentlessly slandered” at 15 years old such that you are owed an apology now?

            1. Because I payed attention to what people were saying.

            2. I, as well as all of us who were right, were owed an apology from the very start. Or at least once the war went south. All I’m doing right now is pointing it out.

            And ‘by people like me’?

            People who were in full support of the war. Thought that was clear*.

            *It was.

            I never once relentlessly slandered anyone here for being anti-Iraq War.

            I find this qualifier telling. Can you honestly say** you never questioned the loyalty and patriotism of someone who opposed the war? Think back.

            **Assuming you can honestly say anything.

            and you will never apologize to her for that.

            See my earlier post.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Merl-Allen/695715159 Merl Allen

        what have you done to earn anyone’s respect? i can’t even read your ignorant ass comments much less have any respect for you.

        • Dennis

          You read my comment, Merl.

      • http://twitter.com/38_28_38 jezebel

        Hey Dennis,

        Fu@k you.

        Sincerely,

        One of the people who was right at the time (& not ’15′ – where do you idiots get your “facts” from? Your “ass” does NOT count as a valid reference)

      • Bendover

        Dennis,

        Great points. This guy or gal Zython needs some pepper in he/she potty mouth.

        Ben in Cali

    • loverofcoffee

      Not only will we(I opposed the war) not get an apology, they are trying to spin this war as a good thing and are demanding we apologize for being wrong! That’s how arrogant this wrecking crew is.

  • Charles Kelly

    When the president is caught lying repeatedly about the reasons to invade Iraq, and when Colin Powell is busted for lying to the UN Security Council BEFORE HE EVEN FINISHED SPEAKING, how is anyone dumb enough to have fallen for that WMD crap?

    Please, somebody explain how anyone could have been so dumb as to believe W and the WMD lies?

    • Dennis

      Please, somebody explain how anyone could have been so dumb as to believe W and the WMD lies?

      You voted for John Kerry and John Edwards and placed your full support behind them. You have no problem with Joe Biden as our Vice President, nor Obama’s choice in him, and you would’ve voted for Hillary Clinton if she had won the nomination. Maybe you could tell me how you could vote for so many people that you know are as dumb as you’re saying they are for believing the WMD lies.

      It’s almost unbelievable that you could feel that way about somebody and still provide that much support for them.

      • http://www.oliverwillis.com/ Oliver Willis

        None of those people made the final decision to invade Iraq.

        • Dennis

          Weak.

          • http://www.oliverwillis.com/ Oliver Willis

            aka “accurate”

      • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/ Repack Rider

        Dennis, who gave the order to invade the place? Who is MOST responsible for the invasion?

        If you know.

        • Dennis

          Repack, your chortling now is as phony as the day is long.

          Seriously.

          I reprinted what you said for a reason. You asked how anyone could be so dumb as to believe W and the WMD lies. Kerry, Biden, Edwards and Clinton not only believed Saddam had WMD’s, their words before Bush gave the order to invade sound as if they were trying to convince him that Saddam had WMDs. And the were certainly trying to convince the American public of such, which is why nearly 2/3′s of the American populace polled believed an invasion was warranted. It’s fine if you want to give them a pass because they were intelligent enough later to read the political tea leaves and evolve on their original decision like they did on gay marriage, but it’s completely dishonest of you to call them dumb for believing W but then give your full support behind them just a year and a half later when it came to the next election. It was all about politics for you then and it’s all about politics with you now and it always will be all about politics with you. You’re still going to support the Democrat no matter how dumb you think he is for ever believing any Republican.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Shorter Dennis: LOOK OVER HEEEEEEEERRRR!!!!!!

          • Dennis

            Seriously Frothy, how could you sit here in mock amazement that anyone could be so dumb as to believe W, but then turn around and be madly in love with that same person when it comes time to vote?

            Just knock off the phoniness, will you?

          • Christopher Foxx

            because they were intelligent enough later to read the political tea leaves and evolve on their original decision like they did on gay marriage

            In Dennis-world, the only reason someone would come to realize denying basic rights to a group of citizens is political expediency. In Dennis’ mind the idea that folks shouldn’t be denied their rights simply because they shouldn’t be denied their rights is unthinkable.

          • Dennis

            Heh. The biggest contrarian and cynic on the internets sees nothing cynical about Barack Obama announcing his evolution on gay marriage six months before an election and Hillary Clinton announcing her evolution six months after his election….both coming about 5 years after Dick Cheney came out in support of it.

          • Zython

            And one year after he left politics.

          • 16shellsfroma30aught6

            No advance or expansion of civil rights has come as the result of moral purists staking out their position from the very beginning and never compromising or straying from their pure (and likely correct) stance. Alterations of the previous cultural status quo – be it ending slavery, segregation, or the ban on gay marriage – are always the result of political pragmatists wheeling-and-dealing. That’s just the process.

            But I’m sure Dennis thinks Abraham Lincoln was a political cynic because he didn’t advocate full emancipation before his first election.

            It’s fine if you want to give them a pass because they were intelligent enough later to read the political tea leaves and evolve on their original decision like they did on gay marriage,

            “Read the political tea leaves?” You’re joking, right?

            What do you call someone who doesn’t change their mind when they were proven catastrophically fucking wrong?

          • The Dark Avenger

            For Dennis that’s the guy looking back at him in the mirror.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Richard Cheney.

          • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/ Repack Rider

            Dennis, I did everything in my limited power to prevent the invasion. Since we both agree that people who supported it were dumb, what did you do to stop it, and when did you realize Bush was lying?

          • Dennis

            Sorry, Repack, you voted for people who did everything they could to see that that war started. You in fact did not do everything you could.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            When I voted in the 2000 election, war wasn’t on anyones radar. That some people I voted for wound up supporting said war is irrelevent, since war wasn’t one of the issues in the election.

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