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No. Holder Didn’t Say Obama Can Use Drones To Kill Citizens on American Soil.

By · March 06,2013
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holder_drones_rand_paulAs I’ve written before, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to carry on a rational discussion about the use of lethal force against enemy combatants born in the U.S., as well as the use of drones as a military weapon. To backtrack by way of re-emphasizing my view: the president is on shaky ground when it comes to these related issues, given the endless nature of the war on terrorism and the war powers provided by the post-9/11 Authorization for Use of Military Force. The AUMF should be repealed, the president’s war powers rescinded and the use of drones regulated and defined, otherwise we’re allowing the president to retain war powers in perpetuity, making them ostensibly permanent.

But however much I disagree with the policy and the potential abuse of the technology, I can easily understand the administration’s position. Congress granted it the wartime authority, both in terms of war powers and in terms of funding for drone technology. Under the current status of the executive branch (which I believe ought to be repealed) the White House, the CIA and the Pentagon has the power to fight the enemy as they see it, as has every administration that’s operated under congressionally approved war powers.

Got it? I’m opposed the administration retaining its war powers. Against it.

Okay with that out of the way, you might’ve read yesterday about the memo Eric Holder wrote to Rand Paul in response to a letter the senator wrote to John Brennan inquiring whether the administration could use drones to kill American citizens on American soil. It was difficult to miss, with headlines blazoned everywhere, from The Huffington Post (“Eric Holder: Drone Strike To Kill U.S. Citizen On American Soil Legal, Hypothetically”) to CNN (“Holder does not rule out drone strike scenario in U.S.”) to Mediaite (“Obama Administration: Yes, The President Can Drone Strike Americans On U.S. Soil”) — even Glenn Beck’s The Blaze carried the story (“Revealed: Holder Says President Could Authorize Military Drone Strikes Inside U.S. in Emergency”). But, not shockingly, the headlines were mostly misleading.

However, if we dig beyond the headlines and read the actual letter Holder wrote, we’d realize that Holder absolutely did not write what those headlines would lead us to believe.

Nearly half of the one-page letter discussed how it’s not the administration’s policy to use drones on American soil. In fact, Holder says the administration has no intention of ever doing so. Though if you read the headlines and ledes in each of the above items, you’d think the White House was launching drones off the White House lawn and deploying them to your back yard. Holder continued:

As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individuals have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

This is an explicit rejection of drone strikes against citizens inside the borders of the United States in lieu of a fairly straightforward embrace of traditional law enforcement mechanisms. And it’s not a surprise. Since the outset, the administration has attempted to migrate the anti-terrorism process into line with something more closely resembling a traditional legal and judicial process. If you recall, the administration attempted to close Guantanamo and move its detainees to maximum security prisons on the mainland, but nearly every member of Congress, including very liberal members by the way, blocked funding for the move while simultaneously screaming the familiar “not in my back yard” refrain. Furthermore, Holder attempted to bring suspected terrorists to trial in American courts — another move that was almost universally rejected.

In the third paragraph of his memo, Holder responded to Rand Paul’s “hypothetical” scenario with an equally hypothetical scenario involving an impending Pearl Harbor or 9/11 attack. But the paragraph contains no mentions of drones. None. Instead, Holder wrote that the president has the constitutional power to “authorize the military to use lethal force” against the attackers. Granted, it’s conceivable Holder was implying the use of drones, but he didn’t explicitly write about the use of drones. Thus, yesterday’s array of headlines were almost entirely inaccurate — jumping to the conclusion that Holder believes the president reserves the right to use drones against American citizens on our soil.

Now, let’s look at a situation like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. If an airplane has been hijacked and has turned to attack a civilian target like, say, the Empire State Building or The New York Times building (given our current police-state airport security, the odds are significantly slimmer than they were 12 years ago) does the president have the authority to use a military aircraft — or even a drone — to shoot down the plane? As big a conundrum as this presents, you bet he does. Likewise with a Pearl Harbor style attack of course he has the authority — even moreso given the presence of foreign attackers. Or what if a Secret Service agent or an armed military escort spots a man in a window overlooking the presidential motorcade and the man is aiming a rifle at the president? Naturally the Secret Service agent is within the boundaries of the law to shoot that man in the head. These are the kinds of situations the Holder letter described, and the president has always held these powers long before 9/11 and long before Barack Obama.

Yet it’s much easier, more dramatic and there’s more potential for web traffic to hyper-jump to the conclusion that the attorney general put into writing that the president can wantonly deploy drones to patrol our skies with the authority to kill you if you’re somehow suspected of being a threat to national security. He did nothing of the sort.

Sure, I agree that there’s no harm in having an ongoing conversation about presidential powers and military authority. Such an endeavor requires perpetual diligence from both citizens and the press. But there’s currently so much hysteria circulating around the topic of drones it’s nearly impossible to see beyond the creepy, sci-fi notion of them. Historical precedent and heretofore commonly acknowledged presidential powers are forgotten, and too many people are thusly shocked whenever those powers are brought up in a 2013 context. Yes, throughout American history, the military and law enforcement has reserved the right to use lethal force to thwart crimes inside the United States. But when the word “drones” gets shoehorned into the context, everyone flips out and the truth gets lost. That’s most certainly the case with the Holder letter.

Again, I think Congress needs to take a serious look at regulating drone technology so its risk-free usage isn’t abused, potentially leading to a threat against privacy and civil liberties. But freaking out about a policy and statements that simply don’t exist is the best way to undermine that effort.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003299326480 Johnny Tomson

    How do we know that the persons that the president wants to use drone strikes against isn’t the good guys? I’m betting that civil war will break out if this president strikes down American Citizens on American Soil….Nobody is going to take this shit and eat it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1630511468 Betty Eyer

    Besides the lack of honesty about what Holder said, the fact remains that CONGRESS passes laws. Not the President. If you want those laws repealed, then you don’t stage a filibuster on a cabinet appointment. You sponsor legislation to repeal. The fact is, the GOP would be the LAST folks to actually vote on such a measure. They are just upset they aren’t the ones holding that power.

    • Christopher Foxx

      Exactly. If you’re in Congress and you don’t like the President’s ability to use drones, then propose legislation that forbids or limits it. Don’t wring your hands and then complain it’s all up to someone else to do something.

  • KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker

    Drones, Drones, Drones… Unless anyone knows someone personally killed by a drone strike, I don’t want to hear another fucking word about drones!
    The paranoid rantings and endless “what ifs” of bloggers inspired by Rand Paul’s moment in the filibuster spotlight are mostly laughable and I’ve had just about enough conjecture and fabrication from all the scared Chicken Littles. It’s as if we never, ever had law enforcement, or a military, or lethal force in our nation until we had bloody drones. And don’t get me started on the “killing Americans on American soil” horseshit as if no one else in the world is worthy of life more than us.
    Well boys and girls, get used to the fact there’s a new tool in the toolbox and it ain’t going away. And the fact that we have a new killing tool doesn’t change a damn thing about what our nation has been doing for generations, so grow up all you pantywaists.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1630511468 Betty Eyer

      Thank you. It annoys me, too. Do they think we didn’t have any collateral damage during the Iraq war? No innocents died? Get real. War is war.

    • Christopher Foxx

      And the fact that we have a new killing tool doesn’t change a damn thing about what our nation has been doing for generations

      Slavery was traditional, too.

      • KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker

        “Unless anyone knows someone personally killed by a drone strike, I don’t want to hear another fucking word about drones!”
        What part of that don’t you understand?

        • ak1287

          Well, obviously, it’s the actual ‘reading comprehension’ part.

          • Christopher Foxx

            On KABoink’s part, apparently.

        • Christopher Foxx

          I understand that perfectly. What I don’t understand is why, if you are so sick and tired of conversations about drones, that you’re still taking the trouble to actively participate in discussions about drones.

          Have you not been paying attention to yourself?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003299326480 Johnny Tomson

      BINGO!

  • MarshallLucky

    Remember when Democrats were all suspicious of and cynical about the War on Terror? How it was all a big sham to enrich Bush’s pals in the weapons industry and settle scores in the middle east? Remember “You Can’t Declare War on a Noun”?

    Yeah, those were the days.

    • http://profiles.google.com/rollotamasi13 Rollo Tamasi

      Yeah, I remember when every single Democrat felt that way. I remember when every single Democrat voted against the AUMF and the PATRIOT ACT.

      I also remember my time spent in Narnia.

      Yeah, those were the days.

    • http://www.twitter.com/bobcesca_go Bob Cesca

      Remember when I wrote in the above column about how the AUMF and the president’s war on terrorism powers ought to be rescinded? Those were the… words right up there.

    • villemar

      It is fair to criticize Obama for not using his Special Magic Negro Powers to make the United States Military Industrial Complex vanish into thin air with his magic wand. It is also fair to disregard the fact that we have three coequal branches of government. It is also fair to say that unmanned weaponized aircraft, which have been in use since WW2, became a War Crime after January 20, 2009; and that also after this pivotal date drones became eleventy kajillion times worse than boots on the ground, for some reason.

      It is always fair to create your own reality to fit with your nihilistic, dystopic persecution narrative, just so long as Barack Obama is the central focus of all that is wrong with this country.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655290390 Steven Skelton

      The hypocrisy is dumbfounding. It just goes to show that they weren’t really liberals in the first place. They picked their team and they root for them no matter what.

      • villemar

        If I scream “BABY KILLER!!!!!!!” at the top of my lungs every time Obama’s name is mentioned, will you think I’m hip and cool? Because that’s the single most important thing to me in this lifetime.
        You know I tried all the hip, ironic things to get in the ‘in’ crowd…handlebar moustache, Amish beard, sleeve garters, wool beanie, jeggings…but try as I might I can’t seem to fit in in Williamsburg and Silverlake. Maybe that’s what I’m missing? Hating Obama with the white-hot passion of elevendy kajillion suns, ironically? Tell me. Because I want to fit in. And I want to seem cool and hip to you, cause you are so cool and hip.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655290390 Steven Skelton

          You won’t get anywhere with me by doing the hipster thing. I’m a 40 year old father of three that wears sweater vests and sings Gordon Lightfoot songs in my basement jam room. :)

          • nathkatun7

            But you are absolutely convinced the Obama is a war criminal and the source of all evil.

          • ak1287

            I don’t know which part of ’40 year old father that wears sweater vests and sings Gordon Lightfoot’ made you think Steven was a rational person…. But that thought should have been put to rest now.

          • Christopher Foxx

            After all the shit Obama’s taken from people complaining about an Obama that doesn’t exist, (“he’s a Muslin socialist Kenyan who’s gonna take all yer guns!!”) it’s ironic to see his fanatical supporters resort to replies that attack people for things they’ve never said.

            It is possible to disagree with Obama, or agree with a Republican, without thinking Obama is the source of all evil, you know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655290390 Steven Skelton

    “It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States,”

    ~Eric Holder

    I take him at his word to mean exactly what he said.

    • i_a_c

      So the President could not authorize lethal force on American soil to prevent a 9/11-style attack?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655290390 Steven Skelton

        The question at hand was whether or not the A.G. believed the president had the authority to launch a drone strike on US soil against a US citizen. The A.G. answered in the affirmative.

        • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

          Holder never specifically used the term “US citizen(s)”. Moreover, you know exactly what he is referring to, which is the ability to shoot down captive US planes if they’re endangering civilian populations, along with other similar scenarios.

          If you want to claim that this power could be abused, you would be right. But the authority to do whatever is necessary to protect American soil and civilians has belonged to ALL presidents. If you prefer that future presidents be completely neutered in protecting Americans, than you should lobby Congress to take away the broad authority to protect this country and citizens.

          • i_a_c

            If you want to claim that this power could be abused, you would be right.

            Any power can be abused. The president could break any law in existence simply because he can. That’s sort of why we have elections in this country, to decide who wields the greatest political and military power on the planet.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            “Any power can be abused.”

            goes without saying.

          • Guest

            No, he can’t. That’s the whole point of our political system, the whole drive behind the founding of America. The fact that you’ve consider our President to be a dictator we elect every four years perfectly illustrates how warped our view of executive power has become. Remember when people were shocked by Nixon’s comment about how ‘when the President does it, it isn’t illegal’? These days we’d just shrug. Business as usual. Terrorist threat. Homeland. Keep us safe.

          • i_a_c

            I did not say that a president can break any law willy-nilly free of consequences, or that he is free to do whatever he wants, I said that a man in his position could certainly use the political and military power of the United States for nefarious purposes, if he wanted. Such nefarious purposes wouldn’t even necessarily be illegal, but they could be.

          • nathkatun7

            So do you think Dwight Eisenhower, JFK, and LBJ, should have been impeached for sending federal troops to Arkansas, Mississippi, and Michigan, to use lethal force to put down domestic insurrections? Then of course, there is Abraham Lincoln who has a record of using lethal force to put down a rebellion that end up being the most costly loss of life in American history. Did their actions make them dictators? By the way, other than Nixon, which other President has said that the President can break any law just because he is President. I know you are not so dense as to equate what AG Holder said in that letter to be the same as what what Nixon said.

          • Christopher Foxx

            Holder never specifically used the term “US citizen(s)”. Moreover, you know exactly what he is referring to, which is the ability to shoot down captive US planes if they’re endangering civilian populations, along with other similar scenarios.

            So you counter Steven Skelton with “Holder never specifically said that” and then immediately use something Holder never specifically said to bolster your own argument.

            If we can presume we “know exactly what he is referring to” about shooting down planes, why can’t we infer we know that his “use of lethal force within the United States” can be targeted at un-charged citizens as it can be when they’re overseas?

          • Christopher Foxx

            But the authority to do whatever is necessary to protect American soil and civilians has belonged to ALL presidents. If you prefer that future presidents be completely neutered in protecting Americans, …

            “whatever is necessary”? No, not true. The things the President is empowered to do (under the rationale that it’s “to protect America and it’s citizens”) has certainly been broadened in recent years. But the Pres is not allowed to do “whatever” without restriction.

            You’re arguing in extreme absolutes. “Whatever is necessary.” “Completely neutered.” It’s not an “either the President has authority to execute citizens or he’s completely unable to protect them at all” situation. Please don’t argue like it is one.

        • i_a_c

          By your logic, if a US citizen hijacked a plane and aimed it at the Empire State Building, the president is powerless to stop it, which of course is not actually the case. You are lying by omission–the AG clearly stated that such a circumstance would be extraordinary. Is it possible to imagine such a circumstance? Yes. Is it very likely? No.

          I had another comment which disappeared into the abyss somehow that talked about the Posse Comitatus Act which forbids US military acting as law enforcement except for a few narrow criteria: to suppress insurrection, or to step in where local law enforcement cannot or will not.

        • http://www.twitter.com/bobcesca_go Bob Cesca

          He didn’t say drones. He said lethal military force.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655290390 Steven Skelton

            He was responding to a question about drone strikes. The topic of his letter was drone strikes. Nowhere in his letter does he change the subject.

            Bob…If AG Gonzalez had written this letter on behalf of Pres. Bush, you would have broken the internet by now.

            You have to either have an irrational man crush on BHO or an irrational hatred of GWB.

          • http://www.twitter.com/bobcesca_go Bob Cesca

            Even if he explicitly wrote the word “drones,” it wouldn’t matter because the president reserves the right to use military force in these rare circumstances. Should fighter jets not have scrambled to face the Japanese attackers at Pearl Harbor or the hijacked planes on 9/11?

            And cut the crap with the “if Bush had done this” argument. It’s facile and over-used. I assure you, if a group of domestic terrorists attempted to fly single-engine aircraft into civilian targets and Bush had ordered those planes shot down, I wouldn’t have blinked.

        • http://www.facebook.com/kiki.haradastone Kiki Harada-Stone

          So, it the guy flying an airliner into the Empire State Building happens to be an American, the president has to stand by and do nothing?

          • Christopher Foxx

            So, it the guy flying an airliner into the Empire State Building happens to be an American, the president has to stand by and do nothing?

            What a stupid question.

          • nathkatun7

            Your dishonesty is breathtaking!Just because you couldn’t answer Kiki’s question you call it stupid. Unless you read the AG’s letter with a hidden agenda of finding an excuse to bash President Obama, the AG was clear that the President can order the use of “lethal force” only in “extraordinary circumstances.” Kiki’s question gives a specific example of an “extraordinary circumstance” where any president may have no alternative but to use “lethal force” in order to save lives.

          • Christopher Foxx

            I maintain it is a stupid question because only a stupid person would think the answer, legally and politically, is anything other than a resounding “Of course not.”

            , the AG was clear that the President can order the use of “lethal force” only in “extraordinary circumstances.”

            Actually, he was not. He was reasonably clear that it would take unusual circumstances for this President to do it, but he did not say that the President couldn’t do it under other circumstances. He’s actually been very, VERY hesitant to say that. Check out how much he danced around answering Sen. Cruz’s direct question over three times.

        • nathkatun7

          The AG never said “thePresident had the authority to launch a drone strike on US soil against a US citizen.”Those are your words not the AG’s words. To claim otherwise, is deceptive. Unless, of course, you think the term “lethal force” only applies to the drone strikes.

          • Christopher Foxx

            The AG never said “thePresident had the authority to launch a drone strike on US soil against a US citizen.”

            True. Unfortunately, he’s also never said the President didn’t have the authority. Even when asked directly three times, he avoided saying “No, the President can’t do that.”

    • Treading_Water

      The Attorney General saying that his actions and the actions of the President are bound by the Constitution and the applicable laws of the U.S.?

      Horrors.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kiki.haradastone Kiki Harada-Stone

      You’re also taking him out of context.

    • nathkatun7

      I suppose George Washington, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson should have been impeached for authorizing the military to use lethal force put down domestic insurrections. By the way do you know the meaning of “extraordinary circumstance.”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jane.millerfreeze Jane Miller Freeze

    I’m sorry but if you can’t pare out the underlying meaning in Holder’s words you are Obama blinded. This administration has an undeniable and insidious record of double speak. Just one opinion.

    • Scopedog

      So what is the “underlying meaning in Holder’s words”? Just asking…

      “This administration has an undeniable and insidious record of double speak.” And the proof is….? Any examples?
      Again, just asking….

      • Christopher Foxx

        Well, claiming “appropriate” actually means “no” for one.

        • ak1287

          … What?

          • Christopher Foxx

            What, what? I’ve been explaining that “appropriate” does not mean the same thing as “no”, and then nathkatun asks me to substantiate my conclusion that they do mean the same thing.

            Direct your “what” at nathkatun.

        • nathkatun7

          Why not substantiate what led you to the conclusion that “appropriate” means “no”?

          • Christopher Foxx

            nathkatun7: Why not substantiate what led you to the conclusion that “appropriate” means “no”?

            What? Perhaps you don’t get what I was referring to. Sen. Cruz asked Holder if the President could order lethal force against a US citizen on US soil if the citizen didn’t pose an immediate threat, and Holder kept saying it wouldn’t be “appropriate” to do so. When Cruz explained he wasn’t asking about “appropriateness” but whether it was legal, Holder kept replying “not appropriate”. Finally, after pointing out Holder was refusing to answer a simple, direct question with a simple, clear answer Holder said, in effect “Oh, well, take my ‘appropriate’ to mean ‘no’.

            Appropriate doesn’t mean no according to any dictionary ever published, except apparently in Holder’s mind.

    • http://drangedinaz.wordpress.com/ IrishGrrrl

      A careful reading of all the statements and all the documents released indicate that THIS administration is against the use of drones on U.S. soil in pursuit of terrorists. THIS administration has been very clear on that. Perhaps you are blind in this regard. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter. No matter who is in the White House, including President Obama, the Executive Branch should not have this power and the only branch that can take this power away is Congress. You know the Republican controlled Congress that is more concerned with abortion than our struggling economy or the erosion of our civil rights. This is what Bob is saying and has been saying all along. That’s not blind. That’s smart.

      • Christopher Foxx

        No matter who is in the White House, including President Obama, the Executive Branch should not have this power

        Exactly right. I’m always very suspicious of the person who says “I would never use this power” but refuses to give it up.

        • ak1287

          I think you should probably take the entire quote, in context, if trying to use it to bolster your argument.

          • Christopher Foxx

            Sure, Congress could take the power away, so you’re right that it really isn’t up to Obama to refuse to give it up. If Congress takes it, Obama’s desires would be largely moot.

            So perhaps I shouldn’t have used a word as strong as “refuse”. My point remains, it’s disingenuous for the President to say he’d never use an authority he has but to also not want to have it taken away.

          • ak1287

            You mean, it’s disingenuous for the President to use a power he legally has, in a legal manner, as long as Congress lets him keep it?

          • Christopher Foxx

            Don’t be dense, ak1287. I explained exactly what I meant by describing the President as disingenuous and you understood it. No need for you to re-phrase in a manner trying to present my comment as saying something other than it did.

    • villemar

      Your Indignation is Trendy. Just one opinion.

      • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

        “Your Indignation is Trendy.”

        And reeks of a fire sale.

    • http://www.twitter.com/bobcesca_go Bob Cesca

      Thanks for proving my point. The right to use military force to stop an attack has always — ALWAYS — been a right the president has reserved. But throw ‘DRONES!!!’ into the mix and everyone loses their collective shit and all sense of history and reality.

    • nathkatun7

      And I am also sorry because if you can read all sorts of meaning in AG Holder’s very plain words then you’re “BLINDED” by the hatred of Obama. I hear there is a new disease called ODS and I think you’ve been infected by it. By the way, I categorically reject your unsubstantiated assertion that that the Obama administration “has an undeniable and insidious record of double speak.” An honest person would have cited evidence to support such a wild accusation.

      • Christopher Foxx

        So anyone who disagrees with Obama is “blinded with hatred”, while, no doubt, anyone who does agree with him I’m sure you would argue is not blinded by adoration.

        Got it.

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