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About: Chez Pazienza
Chez Pazienza is the CEO of DXM Media, an award-winning television news producer, editor of the notorious blog Deus Ex Malcontent and the author of Dead Star Twilight. Chez produced and managed daily content for WSVN and WTVJ in Miami, KCBS, KNBC and KCAL in Los Angeles, and MSNBC and CNN in New York. He has two L.A.-area Emmys to his name as well as a Golden Mic. He's been featured in and interviewed by The New York Times, The New York Observer, New York Magazine Online, U.S. News and World Report, The Village Voice, The American Journalism Review, NPR, the IFC Media Project, and Radar and Wired Online. In addition, he's been a regular contributor to Sirius XM's POTUS and Indie Talk channels and is the co-host of "The Bob & Chez Show" podcast with Bob Cesca.

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MSNBC Wasn’t the Liberal Answer To Fox News (But It Kind of Is Now)

By · March 08,2013
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I’ll make this quick because it’s Friday and I have no desire to work late tonight.

MSNBC’s heading faster and faster down a dangerous road and it needs to put the brakes on. Now.

For a couple of years now the network has been fielding accusations of being the liberal answer to Fox News and for a couple of years now I’ve defended it as being nothing of the sort. While Fox News has had a top-down political mandate from the start, one that’s not only allowed to but is expected to directly impact every single facet of its coverage, MSNBC has always been in a more precarious position journalistically. That’s because MS has always had to answer to the NBC News mothership, which is insistent on balance and objectivity to a fault. NBC is so dedicated to the notion of non-bias that it will proudly behave as if all political stories have two equal sides, essentially turning its journalists into little more than stenographers dutifully reporting the conventional wisdom from whichever side of the aisle they happen to be assigned to — and MSNBC had to at least nominally toe that company line because not to would hurt NBC News’s reputation as a whole.

Yes, there were a lot of programs on MSNBC that leaned left, particularly in the prime time opinion block, but the shows were basically hosted by progressives who provided a leftward slant rather than having that leftward slant dictated to them from on-high.

But lately a lot has changed at MS. The dayside block of shows, which for the most part used to consist of well-balanced, straightforward news, has now had a giant pile of pure left-leaning provocation dropped right in the middle of it in the form of Alex Wagner’s daily troll-fest, Now. Then a couple of weeks ago it was announced that the network was bringing Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod aboard as paid contributors, essentially throwing any illusion of fairness right out the 3rd floor window of 30 Rock. For the record, no news organization anywhere should employ any member or former member of a sitting president’s administration. That’s journalism 101. Finally, a couple of nights ago MS seemed to go fully down the rabbit hole by either mocking for a scant few seconds or entirely ignoring Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster over the nomination of John Brennan as CIA chief.

Look, Paul’s a self-righteous little turd and his filibuster wasn’t much more than a grandiose publicity stunt aimed at improving his Q-Score and grabbing tightly onto an anti-Obama issue that might actually have legs, rather than the usual right-wing cacophony of made-up nonsense. But that said, the filibuster deserved coverage. O’Donnell gave it a few minutes and Maddow, predictably, was all about due diligence but for the most part everyone else pretended it wasn’t happening. For 13 hours. That’s the kind of crap Fox News pulls when someone not on its side makes news that can’t instantly be painted as bad for the country. Perfect example: Just recently Fox hyped the hell out of the Robert Menendez Dominican prostitute “scandal” but when the whole thing fell apart it ignored it completely, not even bothering to inform its audience that the initial report was horseshit. That kind of thing isn’t simply bad journalism, it’s bad for the country because it reinforces, more and more and more, each side’s epistemic bubble. The job of a news outlet is to provide an unflinching look at the stories of the day and to broadcast or report only echo chamber items is a gross dereliction of duty.

MSNBC still tops Fox News in that it relies much more heavily on facts and independent reasoning than its nemesis. Its stable of conservative personalities is also far more robust than the typically ineffectual tomato cans Fox trots out as red meat for its right-wing prize fighters. But it’s becoming increasingly hard to defend MSNBC as being something other than what its critics have long called it: the liberal Fox News.

And that’s really depressing.

  • Parker Stevinson

    This has been very interesting reading. The argument over fairness for two networks pretending to be non-bias networks. What are you people smoking? Both networks lean more to talk shows and the facts be damned. My view. If I wanna a laugh or two I watch Hannity and Bill. If I want half a truth I watch Ed and Raquel. After all the black panther storyline on voting intimidation was hilarious. Two black guys with a stick do not a Panther make. But one talk network made it the story of the month.
    Get real! If you want news, go local.
    The fact is: Msnbc is Democratic with a twist of “staying away from the tough questions by their “Andrea.”
    While Fox will yell and scream with guest if they fail to prove a point.
    So all in all..Let a democrat be a democrat.
    Let a Republican be a dreamer.
    They may wake up one morning and find Romney won and Morris was correct
    while being wrong all year with his predictions on the outcome.
    It takes no idiot to figure out if you piss off, Gays, Women, Teens, Blacks and
    Hispanics. You can never be President of this United States no matter how you
    cover the facts with dream works.

  • David

    30 years ago there were liberal newspapers, conservative newspapers, and ‘news’ newspapers. The fairness doctrine didn’t allow TV stations to be biased, since they were using the public airways. When the fairness doctrine got eliminated, the conservatives saw an opportunity to expand their fucked up view of the world, and the ‘liberal’ media didn’t respond in kind. Now, we finally have an answer..and I don’t care how liberal MSNBC gets…we need a network to talk back to those bastards.

  • willpen

    There is only one person that I turn to MSNBC for and that is Rachel Maddow. She continues to serve as one of the few real news people out there today. What she discusses may lean more progressive but she is consistently fair and balanced.

  • Victor_the_Crab

    Bill Maher’s New Rules sermon last night was about how everything was being politicized today. He used Fox News for conservatives and MSNBC for liberals as his examples (he also joked that CNN was for airports).

  • http://www.facebook.com/frederic.poag Frederic Poag

    From a journalistic stand point I agree with you Chez. In fact I agree with you more then my partisan part wants to admit. However we’re in an ideological slug fest right now, and with the strength of the Right Wing media we need, desperately, an alternative. As long as that alternative stays within the bounds of reality, i.e. doesn’t get ideological blinded like Fox News I’m… I may not be fine with it but I’ll accept it even welcome it.

    But I’m not a journalist. I’m a political partisan. I think journalism in the US is pretty much dead. All that’s left is political theater dressed up as hyper-partisanship when it comes to the MSM. The Right has had a loudspeaker for over a decade now. I at least want a bullhorn.

  • imavettoo

    As long as MSNBC gives Joe Scarborough & his little boy’s club of Halperin, Barnacle & Harold (I never really was a Dem, I’m a banker dammit) Ford Jr. (not to mention Brokedown Brokaw) 3 hours a day 5 days a week you’re pissing into that ol’ gale of false equivilency.

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      “false equivilency”

      Absolutely.

    • http://twitter.com/chezpazienza Chez Pazienza

      Two of my favorite internet-era irritants in one succinct comment. Everybody’s an expert just because he or she happens to have a pair of eyes and, of course, the “false-equivalence” argument.

      My favorite thing about the media these days is that everyone is so inundated with it, either by watching and listening or by being able to get in on the action through social media, that they start to believe they understand how it really works and what’s going on behind the scenes. Just because somebody goes to a lot of basketball games doesn’t mean they’re ready to play power forward for the Lakers. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes, in the grand-scheme decision-making, at MSNBC right now that’s worrying.

      I’ve said more than once now that MSNBC and Fox News aren’t exactly alike, but MSNBC has made a lot of decisions lately that are putting it on a very slippery slope. What’s more, those decisions were financial ones; they’re giving people the liberal viewpoint because it’s bringing in money, which is the only reason NBC News has partially shelved its journalistic integrity and decided to let MS get away with it. You tend to see what MS is doing as being less offensive than what Fox News has made a career out of simply because the liberal viewpoint is very likely, for you, the center. It’s the truth and so when MSNBC lets Alex Wagner and company basically troll conservatives for an hour a day, and Al Sharpton provide zero insight beyond being a raving left-wing idiot, or Ed Schultz have mini-phone polls that are ALWAYS 98%-2% in favor of the progressive viewpoint, or political operatives for the Obama administration are hired, or a story is ignored because somewhere in a producer meeting a bunch of people thought that it was a lot of shit and wasn’t even worth getting into, you think nothing of it. Because as far as you’re concerned, that’s reality. I’m not saying it is or isn’t, only that political ideology can blind you to what’s real and what’s spin. Works for Fox News and, while they’re certainly more reality based in their politics and analysis, it works for MS.

      You can’t cite one show, an admittedly grating show populated by hacks of all stripes, as proof that MS isn’t as bad as Fox News because I could easily turn around and point to Shep Smith and say that Fox isn’t as bad as its critics say. Both arguments are crap. You have to look at the overall tone and lately, especially with the hiring of Gibbs and Axelrod, MS seems to be abandoning any pretense as a whole of being truly balanced. I still like MS more than Fox, no doubt about it, but I worry about the direction it’s heading in. I want to trust my news outlets, not worry whether they’re giving me the whole story or think that they may be bullshitting me on the facts that are inconvenient to their overall point of view.

      • imavettoo

        To use that abundance of words & not make a viable point is beneath you Chez. Shep Smith on Fox does not equal Joe Scarborough on MSNBC, not even close.

        • http://twitter.com/chezpazienza Chez Pazienza

          You know, if you say “false-equivalence” a couple more times it’ll appear like Beetlejuice in your living room.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1655290390 Steven Skelton

    The end products are mirror images. As Chez says, the production models may not be the same. They end up there in different ways.

    That may be significant to those, like Chez, that work in the industry…but to the consumer it is a distinction without a difference.

  • ranger11

    Even if it does I really don’t care if it goes completely partisan anyway. Broadcast journalism is a complete joke now no matter what. Left, Center, and Right. The Cronkite days are long gone..

    • Victor_the_Crab

      This!!!

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

    “the liberal Fox News”

    Really? So MSNBC promotes climate change denial, birtherism, and so forth? MSNBC features lies and liars on pretty much every hour of programming?

    I think not, and I think, Chez, that you’re doing that liberal thing, wringing hands over something that is pretty much accepted as a given–we have not had a truly impartial media for quite a long time now.

    Consider the mediascape without MSNBC. Bleak, isn’t it? The fact is that we need them, and we don’t need them to do a reversal whereby they strive to appear more conservative to satisfy the few.

    • Christopher Foxx

      Agreed. Recent moves are worrisome (I do still hold out hope that SOMEwhere there’re folks in the media who want to be good journalists) but it would take a LOT more of them for MSNBC to even come near Fox levels of bias.

      It does feel like too many liberals are quick to wring their hands and play Chicken Little. A stubbed toe is not the same as an entire body festering with gangrene. And Fox is serious fest ration; MSNBC is not even close.

      • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

        Well said, Christopher.

        • http://twitter.com/chezpazienza Chez Pazienza

          Uh-huh. Because there’s no way you’re influenced by your own ideology, that it tints what you see and don’t see at MSNBC and predisposes you to not notice what’s actually pretty plainly there. There’s a nice little bit of irony to the fact that you think my supposed liberalism makes me hand-wring when the reality is that I’m far less liberal than you, Nicole, and likely less than you, Christopher. And I damn well know that I’m not prone at all to any sort of hand-wringing. MSNBC isn’t exactly like Fox by any means, but it’s made several moves lately that are unforgivably Fox-like, and that irritates the hell out of me because while I don’t mind seeing MS provide the service of being a bulwark against Fox in cable news, I also demand that the news I’m getting from any source be fair and credible at all times. Hiring political operatives of a sitting president isn’t fair — and leaving out stories or downplaying them without providing a reasonable amount of context isn’t credible.

          • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

            Oh, hell, Chez, and here I thought you were uber liberal and all. What a travesty. Sheessh…………..

            Just kidding there. Seriously though, I don’t see a lack of “fairness or credibility” going on at MSNBC, although I will say that I watch only very specific shows. Have you any particular incidences in mind?

            As to Axelrod and Gibbs, perhaps you should wait and see what they actually do while in the employ of MSNBC. They might surprise you.

  • Benthedailybanter

    It’s getting harder and harder to justify watching it. The hiring of Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod really did it for me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/frederic.poag Frederic Poag

      If it wins elections and we get progressive change out of the bargain I’ll take it. Living in East TN has given me a different perspective. The Tea Party, Birtherism, Hard Right ideology is like a religion down here. The GOP = Christianity here.

      In fact the Democrats have already lost the 2014 race because the state GOP, who has a Super majority in the Legislature, put an abortion ban on the ballot for 2014. That’ll turn out the base for them. Forget pulling in any evangelicals that might be inclined to vote for a conservative leaning Democrat.

      Workman’s Comp is about to take another blow, out of state contractors are given state government contracts instead of local companies that can do the job, and now money that was supposed to be for in state students is being funneled out of state. Things are bad, and getting ready to be much worse thanks to the Tea Party GOP TN. And all of that is thanks to racial fear of a Black President and Fox News telling them it’s justified.

      So yeah I may not think it’s a good thing from an abstract stand point but when I’m drowning I’ll take anything someone throws me. I’ll take MSNBC all day because it might be the only way to turn some folks around.

  • http://www.sockpuppettheatre.com/ John Foley

    MSNBC still has a ways to go to be as shamelessly biased as FOX, but they are trending that way. Which is not good.

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