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Everyone Is Trolling Now, And That Means You’re Worse Than Hitler*

By · January 09,2013
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*Did you see what I did there?

nyjournal-headline-600We live in an attention economy now, and in the news, entertainment, and information industry that means that you are in a constant fight for eyeballs. We have screens everywhere: TV, computer, tablet, phone, and beyond and that means everyone who generates content for those screens desperately wants you to look in on them for a second in order to sell your demographics to their advertisers.

I’m okay with all of that. But what has developed as a result is a professionalized style of trolling. Media has always attempted to get people’s attention – check out the history of tabloid media which was born at about the same time the printing press was – but it feels as if this style of media is more pervasive than ever.

In addition you’ve got the rise of the personal brand, which prompts people to be provocative to their own audiences in service of the larger platforms they work in (or for.)

When ESPN’s Rob Parker made his racial comments about Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, the most offensive thing wasn’t what he said, but rather ESPN’s faux outrage over them. Everyone knows that Parker said what he said so people would say “oh no he didn’t,” clip it, then post it to YouTube, helping to increase his ESPN show’s notoriety.

Similarly, there isn’t any way that CNN didn’t know conspiracy theorist Alex Jones would make an absolute clown of himself – it’s what he does. And now, instead of people talking about how Piers Morgan’s ratings have plummeted since he took over for Larry King, they’re talking about that viral video with him and the gun nut.

Everybody’s trolling, driven to say more and more provocative things in order to rise above the media din in hopes that somebody pays attention, hits a social media “share” button and gets your brand – personal or professional – in front of more people.

It’s the same formula that Fox News, MSNBC, Huffington Post, The Drudge Report, and Business Insider have all ridden to success.

And I’m actually okay with a lot of it. I like the news to be exciting and dynamic. The problem, I think, is we’re going to soon enter a place where just being provocative isn’t enough. We may soon enter a world where unequivocal public declarations come across even dumber than today’s sort of comments.

If that were to happen, it would almost be worse than slavery! (I DON’T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS, I’M MAKING A POINT)

But you see what I mean. I’m not really sure how you put this particular genie back in the bottle and it’s only a matter of time before the stodgiest of media organizations realize its potential and everyone (and I certainly include myself here) feels a need to keep upping the ante.

It may be interesting – or at least look that way – but it might not be fun.

  • The Dark Avenger

    Yes, Dennis, because asking you to help someone who is African-American is racist.

    • Dennis

      I have no idea what you’re referring to, or where that comment came from, TDA.

      • The Dark Avenger

        You responded to a comment where I posted a picture of Issac from the Love Boat and told you he needed more glasses so help him out, which you stated is racist.

        I know that because I have Disqus set to e-mail me any response to my comments in the system. I can forward it to your yahoo email addy if you need confirmation.

        Of course, now that Ben has shown a willingness to delete your comments, are you sure that you’re still going to stick around here?

        • Dennis

          Your statement in response made no sense. In may have been just a simple inartful retort made hastily in an effort to say something, or your normal awkwardness, but you’ve done that too many times for it not to be revealing an underlying racist sentiment on your part. Posting a picture of a black guy and saying he needed to go back to the kitchen to get glasses was just stupid and had nothing at all to do with what I had just said to you. It was just you wanting to be cute, and you didn’t stop for one second to think how demeaning that might’ve been to African-Americans.

          • The Dark Avenger

            “Posting a picture of a black guy and saying he needed to go back to
            the kitchen to get glasses was just stupid and had nothing at all to do
            with what I had just said to you”

            No, I said he needed glasses and that you go to the kitchen and get him some yourself.

            It was my way of telling you to buzz off.

            But, on second thought, you’re correct, asking you to help an African-American might be seen as demeaning to said African-American, so I apologize to any African-American who may have been offended by my suggestion that you help Issac.

  • TheRealBurnNotADufnerTroll

    Yes, everyone IS trolling. That’s the name of the game in 2013…attention. Doesn’t matter how you get it, just as long as you get it. Ann Coulter, Donald Trump, whoever.

    Anyone read about The Atlantic renting out part of their website last night to the Church of Scientology? Sure, they took it down pretty fast, but ultimately it got more people to their website.

  • TheRealBurnNotADufnerTroll

    I think my new screen name says it all. Happy now, ‘Burn’?

  • Burn

    Ben,

    I have a guy attacking me, breaking all your rules. Read my posts. Nothing but on topic. Please tell this guy that the name Burn is not his.

    Burn

    • Burn

      Yes, sure, it’s you. Uh huh. IP addresses don’t lie, Tom. You should know this by now. Anyone here knows my writing style and how I phrase things, and I am calling you out right here and right now. Talk about obsessed.

    • TheRealBurnNotADufnerTroll

      Just like last time, when you went so far over the top with your bizarre homophobic rants and projection until I busted you, then you wanted to play nice. Just like you are doing right now. You aren’t fooling anyone, imposter. You just found another way to get your kicks between this and your newly minted wordpress blog.

      • Burn

        Ben- please help me. This guy is really scaring me

        Burn

        • TheRealBurnNotADufnerTroll

          “Teacher, help me! He’s making faces at me and won’t stop!”

        • The Dark Avenger

          You’re not the real Burn. Please find your own monicker to use instead of ineptly trying to impersonate someone else.

          • Burn

            Excuse me, you are the topic. You are trolling. I.e. hitleresk. I am Burn. Who are you?

          • The Dark Avenger

            Why should I answer such a loaded question?

            You are not Burn. You cannot convince me otherwise, so give it up.

  • Burn

    Fake Burn alert! That person posting under my handle is NOT ME. Gee, I can only fathom who it might be. Don’t fall for it.

    • Dennis

      “Welcome aboard Fake Burn!” -The Dark Avenger

      • The Dark Avenger

        Why are you worried that I might pay attention to someone else, Dennis?

    • The Dark Avenger

      I’ve flagged his comments, Burn.

  • Burn

    DA,
    What is the deal with down votes, I put one out on a couple of yours accidentally. How do I fix?

    • The Dark Avenger

      You can click it(the down vote arrow) again, and then it will go back down.

  • eddy mongo

    Burn whats new bud

    • Burn

      Nothing much, can’t believe all the trolls are hiding Eddy

      • Burn

        Both fakers. Same person most likely.

        • Burn

          Excuse me Burn 2. This is breaking Ben’s rules. This defines trolling. Sorry guys. I will check on this

          • Burn

            Yes, ask him to compare the IP addresses of you and me. Go ahead, run and be the victim. What a sick sad little person you are, Dufty.

          • Burn

            Who are you? Leave me alone- you are scaring me. I cant believe that Ben an oliver continue to allow you on this blog. You have not posted once on topic. You continue to call me names and attack over some staged name you claim is yours. What is your name? I am Shorizo Burns. Now please post on topic.

          • TheRealBurnNotADufnerTroll

            You are one silly persistent goofball.

  • eddy mongo

    Lets hope this site stays trash free

    • The Dark Avenger

      Welcome aboard!

      • eddy mongo

        Where are all the regulars?

  • Burn

    Hey Boys

    • The Dark Avenger

      Welcome aboard!

      • Dennis

        The Dark Avenger as the self-appointed Captain Stubing of the Daily Banter.

        • The Dark Avenger

          And Dennis as the Gopher of the DB

    • eddy mongo

      Dennis seems to be business as usual

    • Burn

      Yea right, like I would ever say “Hey Boys”?

  • hidflect

    ..and spontaneously, about 40% of the comments below are trolling. Beautiful irony.

    • Dennis

      That’s not irony, hidflect. Irony would be if nothing was on-topic, there was no intelligent discussion, and people disregarded the new rules completely.

      • The Dark Avenger

        The topic is trolling, so is trolling on a thread about trolling sticking to the subject or is it a form of meta-trolling?

  • Dennis

    That’s a lie, Zython. Your first post was done with the clear intent of harassment and slander, and a violation of Ben Cohen’s Rule #1. Ben has stated that anyone doing this will be blocked immediately. I honestly don’t think Ben would write that unless he mean every word of it.

    • The Dark Avenger

      Dennis:

      True or False: Ben Cohen has already demonstrated what happens to people who go afoul of his rules.

      Cheers

      • Dennis

        If you’re referring to the person he banished to the Facebook section of the blog and then in an odd sense-of-humor fashion used that person’s Facebook photo of him sitting in front of a computer for his blog post about the psychological profile of an internet troll, then yeah, I’d guess I’d have to say thathe has demonstrated what happens to people who go afoul of his rules.

        • The Dark Avenger

          Dennis, are you talking about me or somebody else?

          Your buddy Frank DiSalle often displayed an odd sense-of humor fashion, so your narrative is most unclear on who you’re attempting to describe.

          For the record, I was talking about how Mr. Cohen apparently has deleted by that fellow Oy Humidity on this thread.

          Perhaps you’re not paying attention to things going on around here enough to be a mod after all, Dennis.

          • Dennis

            I thought that was kinda funny that Ben used an exact likeness of your Facebook photo, The Dark Avenger. I like that when bloggers have both a wry sense of humor and can effectively use subtle hints to send messages to his readers that both sides are at fault.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Now, you’re really confusing me, Dennis. Why would anyone feel that you needed a message saying that you’re at fault?

    • Zython

      That’s a lie, Zython.

      Who exactly are you trying to fool? We both remember you defending “samiam”‘s offensive comments.

      • Dennis

        That’s two posts on the new format and two lies for you, Zython.

        I made no mention of “samiam”s commments.

        • Zython

          It’s pretty low for you to use the new format in a vain attempt to whitewash your posting history. We all remember you whining about people being mean to samiam, while completely ignoring his bigoted remarks.

          • Dennis

            Three posts for you and three lies, Zython. Batting 1.000.

            It’s pretty low for you to make up whatever your imagination dreams up under this new format. I didn’t whine about people being mean to samiam, I said you, The Dark Avenger, Froth, oi ly, db and Burn all instigated and propagated his posts, that you obviously wanted him to post things you could claim were offensive. That it no way constitutes a defense of anything about him or what he may have said, no matter what your imagination tells you is so.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Instigated:

            Bring about or initiate (an action or event): “instigating legal proceedings”.
            Incite someone to do something, esp. something bad.

            Well, Dennis, I can only speak for myself when I tell folks that I didn’t initiate the troll known as samiam to post at this site. Whether or not that’s true for you or anyone else who was posting here at this time, I have no direct knowledge myself.

            As for the 2nd charge, this troll has never needed an excuse to post trashy comments in the first place, so you lose points on failing at your passive-aggressive suggestion that the troll was somehow just an ordinary commentator until we ‘goaded’ or ‘incited’ him to act like an a** around here.

            Now, Issac needs some clean glassware, from the kitchen, so off with you already.

          • Dennis

            Racist last comment.

          • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/ Ol Froth

            Oh come on Dennis…your pathetic attempts to defend Dufty are thin gruel. Let me explain it to you this way…a group of people gather at the tavern…they discuss things, often passionetly. Suddenly, one of the patrons starts challenging everyone to fistfights. The bartender throws him out, but he sneaks back in through the kitchen door and starts making homophobic and misogynist remarks…the bartender throws him out again, but he manages to get back in through the bathroom window and takes a huge, steaming dump on the bar. Again, he’s thrown out, but then he dons a clever disguise, and sneaks back in. Despite the disguise, everyone knows who it is, and knowing he’s just going to keep coming back, the regulars decide to just make fun of him while waiting for the bartender to again expell him. That’s pretty much whats going on here, and you’re defending the behavior of the offending party. Its typical Republican behavior…the guy shitting on the bar isn’t the problem, its people pointing out that someone is shitting on the bar that are the bad guys. You have an issue with Democrats fighting back, simple as that.

  • The Dark Avenger

    Welcome aboard, Zython.

  • Dennis

    tl;dr

    Last two posts, actually.

    • The Dark Avenger

      I think you’d be a good mod, Dennis. I’ll put in a good word in for you with Mr. Cohen if you like.

  • The Dark Avenger

    Glad to have you on board. Who’s next to register?

    • Wilbur

      Hi all, let’s hope this new system keeps the poo-flingers out for a while.

      • The Dark Avenger

        From your keyboard to G-d’s ear……………………

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Oy-Humidity/100003793921451 Oy Humidity

    Seriously- can someone post on topic? Just because Oliver got it right- you are all sick twisted trolls. Sorry Darky and Fudgy

  • Charles Kelly

    I see that I can now post here, but only under my real name. Not sure how to change that to my regular handle, which is Repack Rider.

    I’m not worried, since I’m not hiding from anyone and I put up my website link most place I post. I see that there is a little button to post an image. Let’s see if it works.

    • The Dark Avenger

      Go to the gear on the top right-hand side, next to the word Share.

      Go to Edit Settings.

      Then a pop-up comes up, go to Profile.

      That controls your monicker name. Change it to Repack Rider(unless some idiot has already taken than name) and you should be ready to roll.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Oy-Humidity/100003793921451 Oy Humidity

        Hey Ben/Oliver, you allow these guys to post personal information still? Seriously?

        • The Dark Avenger

          Who are you?

      • Dennis

        “Change it to Repack Rider(unless some idiot has already taken than name)”

        I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with your assumption that someone is an idiot solely for having chosen that name as his internet moniker.

        • The Dark Avenger

          Can’t read for beans, Dennis? I was implying that someone else who would take RR’s name for their own monicker would be an idiot.

          • Dennis

            Whoa, there, “The Dark Avenger”- long-time lurker, first-time poster here to this new format, and there’s no need to attack me out of hand on my first post just because I disagreed respectfully with what you wrote. I came here for intelligent discussion, and I would respectfully suggest you please read the rules for this blog set up by the editor-in-chief, Ben Cohen.

            I can read alright, just not your mind. I would imagine there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who have ridden their bikes on that mountain, and any of them could have easily chosen that name as their moniker. And I just don’t see how they could be called idiots for doing so. I’ve seen worse monikers, you know.

          • The Dark Avenger

            Sorry, but I tried to make it clear that the context is someone who would use RR’s monicker, which he has used a long time on the Internets here and there, someone who would appropriate it for themselves would be an idiot.

            But thanks for getting all indignant about a comment here that wasn’t calling anyone here, or you, for that matter, an idiot.

            Perhaps you can apply to be a mod here, Dennis, now that you seem all fired up about applying the rules that you used to break here on a regular basis as Plunket and Syncit12221. Perhaps you can put your prosecutorial instincts to good use this time instead of what you used to do, which is preserved by Google and the Wayback Machine internet archives for the researcher to find for him or herself.

            Perhaps you could climb down off your high horse and mingle with the rest of the peasants like me instead.

            Your choice, Dennis. I’m very skeptical that you can behave yourself in the future. Prove me wrong.

            Oh, and welcome aboard.

          • Dennis

            Your apology is accepted, The Dark Avenger, but it wasn’t necessary. There weren’t really rules before, but now there are, and you’ve already made a conscious decision to break a few of them.

            I’d prefer that you comply with Ben Cohen’s very simple rules over the apology you gave me, to be honest, because if you break them and get no warning from Ben, then the assumption is that he determined that what you did was more or less acceptable, and it just confuses everybody.

          • The Dark Avenger

            ” There weren’t really rules before, but now there are, and you’ve already made a conscious decision to break a few of them.”

            You mean, there were rules that weren’t applied on a consistent basis before, and now they will be.

            I’d prefer that you comply with Ben Cohen’s very simple rules over the apology you gave me, to be honest, because if you break them and get no warning from Ben, then the assumption is that he determined that what you did was more or less acceptable, and it just confuses everybody.

            Here are the rules, Dennis, could you please tell me which ones I violated so that I can report myself to Mr. Cohen?:

            1. Please be civil. Don’t harass anyone, threaten, or use foul/offensive language when addressing fellow commenters. Anyone doing this will be blocked immediately.

            (ed-Is the word “idiot” foul or offensive language? Did I address it to anyone except a hypothetical person who would appropriate RR’s monicker for their own?)

            2. No multiple identities. Please use one, and one only when engaging in discussion.

            (ed- I certainly didn’t break that rule, did I, Dennis?)

            3. Keep it relevant. While discussions obviously go off
            track, please don’t use the forum to discuss private issues. Anyone
            trolling will be blocked and banned from posting on the site.

            (ed–What private issues did I bring up, Dennis?

            4. Please do not post irrelevant material or links in the commenting section.

            (ed-Again, Dennis, when did I break this rule as well?)

            5. Please help us moderate discussion. Flag anything you
            believe to be inappropriate and someone here at The Daily Banter will review the comment and commenter.

            (ed-That’s not a rule, that’s a request. You’re free to report me, Dennis, if you feel I’ve violated any of the 4 rules)

            Oh, and “to be honest”—-coming from you, Dennis, that’s comedy gold.

          • Burn

            DA,

            Where is Oliver? Is he leaving this blog be? I see Dennis is up to his usual

          • The Dark Avenger

            The Disqus system does allow for moderation, and since Dennis has shown no interest in acting as one, perhaps someone fair-minded, like you or db, could volunteer to serve as one.

          • Burn

            I have NO interest. I am just enjoying the humor. Where are the rest of the boys?

          • Burn

            You just cannot help yourself can you, Oy/Manbear/Samiam/Jinxy/Morty/Dufthy? Now you are pretending to be me? Sad and pathetic.

          • Burn

            Imposter.

      • dbtheonly

        DA,

        I think someone has the db name, but rest assured that this is the only db. Accept no inferior substitutions.

        • The Dark Avenger

          Welcome aboard.

        • Dennis

          Hey dbtheonly, good to have you back. Just a fair warning and an fyi to you to save you the possible embarrassing situation, but it seems as if all the posts of The Dark Avenger’s and Burn’s that contained personal information have been deleted. It wasn’t spelled out in the newly-posted rules, but that one’s pretty much understood on its own. So if you see them doing it again before it gets taken down or one or both of them get banned again for doing it, I wouldn’t just assume it’s ok for you to repeat it because they did it first and got away with it.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I didn’t post any personal information here, Dennis. You’re the one who called me out of the blue a few years ago after you got my pnone number off of the internets, so please remember your own record on the subject before going on another hunt for rule violators on this blog.

          • Burn

            Ben or Oliver,

            Please ban this guy. Review his posts, all he does is ATTACK those who don’t agree with him. It is quite concerning that we are trying to post on topic and this guy and others continue to harass. I think they are against Ben’s rules, right?

            Burn

          • Dennis

            You have indeed posted personal information. Many times. That is a lie, The Dark Avenger. A bald-faced lie. That’s why you were banned to the Facebook section. You posted full names, names of children, wives’ names, street addresses, home phone numbers and workplaces of people here. You’ve discussed family members. You’ve stalked family members’ Facebook pages and reported it back here, and you’ve encouraged db, oi ly and Burn to do the same. Even under this new format, you can’t suppress the thrill that gives you here enough to stop doing it. Even after Ben Cohen deleted it, you’ll keep doing it. It’s a sickness. A perverted, recidivist sickness.

          • The Dark Avenger

            “You have indeed posted personal information. Many times. That is a
            lie, The Dark Avenger. A bald-faced lie. That’s why you were banned to
            the Facebook section. You posted full names, names of children,
            wives’ names, street addresses, home phone numbers and workplaces of
            people here.”

            Nope, I posted selected information that I had learned because someone stupid decided to stalk me without realizing that they left footprints that pointed to who they were in real life when I followed them up.

            And now I’m allowed here, and that infuriates you to no end.

            “it. Even after Ben Cohen deleted it, you’ll keep doing it. It’s a sickness. A perverted, recidivist sickness.”

            Oh, there you go again, Dennis, throwing around the word “pervered” and “sickness” like you’re some psychologist or social worker.

            I won’t post anything here about you or anyone else, Dennis, you have my word on that. If you can’t believe that, then it’s your sickness and psychological state of mind that is of concern, not mine.

        • Burn

          Dbtheonly,

          Good to see you back on board. Can’t believe that someone was trying to imposter me. I am glad that Ben and Oliver figured out who the Real Burn is.

          Burn

  • http://twitter.com/wetcasements James

    Whoah! Oliver has stepped into the 21st century and installed disqus!

    The RGIII thing is a shame all around. Shanahan should be fired.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Oy-Humidity/100003793921451 Oy Humidity

      Shanahan should be what??? RGIII is a one hit wonder. Kind like Doug Williams (remember him?) Mike Shanahan is the best thing that ever happened to Washington D.C. He turned a 3-6 team into an NFC East Champion. Name me one other coach that could do that. Kirk Cousins is the future of D.C. and he is a damn better option than R3

  • The Dark Avenger

    Hi, folks, whatta think?

    • Buzz Killington

      Well it sure *looks* better, if nothing else.

    • TheRealBurnNotADufnerTroll

      Disqus, finally. Whatever keeps the chumps away works for me.

    • Dennis

      What do we think about weeds?

      • The Dark Avenger

        I dunno, what do we think about people who have to answer posts that are a couple of months old?

  • db

    Oliver,

    Once again, my thanks for the janitorial service & my apologies for making you do it.

  • oi ly

    Hey Simian, I see you took the utube video down.

  • Zython

    Why can’t Hilary testify on Benghazi? You know the obozites favorite cop out?

    Oh, sam, try to keep up. The latest conservative conspiracy du jour is the claim that the Sandy Hook massacre was faked.*

    Says a guy that ask me if I get off thinking of him.

    No I didn’t. Try reading it again.

    Anyhow, here’s a serious question for you (remember, according to your own whining, you are obligated to answer this):

    Why do you hate gays and Jews so much? What have they done to hurt you?

    *Ok, so now the spam filter is flagged after a single pair of anchor tags now? I was willing to work with it flagging after 2, but I can’t operate under these conditions.

    • db

      Guys,

      YouTube video? Sandy Hook faked? What have I been missing? Or in the case of mbp, intentionally ignoring?

      sam & mbp seem to be able to go on ad nauseum without any outside input. Is this the secret to unlimited energy? If they’re both Dufner; this is really disturbing.

      Who is Eric, Lagursky, or Donaldson?

      CA,

      Back above the fold?

      • Dennis

        CA,

        Back above the fold? –db

        Looks like ‘Facebook Frank’ may have gone and gotten himself banned again, db.

        Apparently he has a high propensity toward recidivism.

        • db

          Dennis,

          Maybe; but I hadn’t seen anything too reprehensible. Your response that I was tuning it out among all the “Duftner-du-Jour” is probably valid. If Oliver so acted; he did so with good reason.

          So what do you think of the topic? I’m more with Christopher that news needs to be accurate first & entertaining only second. Provocative for the sake of provocation bothers me & reminds me of the garbage we’ve been “treated” to over the past few weeks.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    IIRC, back in the early 80′s, a six o’clock news program on one of the Chicago states attempted to do a “straight” news program, because “everyone” said they wanted that. Just an announcer reading the news with photos or videos playing on a background screen. It failed miserably, and that was in the day when most TV was still broadcast based, but after the “action news” concept started to take hold.

    Its only gotten worse, now everyone has to try and be more and more outrageous to try and attract viewers. Its as if Howard Stern is running the newsroom.

  • Christopher Foxx

    I like the news to be exciting and dynamic.

    I prefer mine accurate and relevant.

    • http://www.thedailybanter.com/author/oliver-willis/ Oliver Willis

      It can be both.

      • Christopher Foxx

        But that’s hard work, Oliver. And in the exciting/dynamic vs accurate/relevant battle you know which one wins.

        News programs aren’t interested in making sure their viewers are informed. Their interested in making sure their viewers are numerous.

  • Zython

    Says the guy who creates half-a-dozen alts and whines about gay people and Jews.

  • db

    Does the irony of someone who ripped off Dr. Seuss for a handle complaining about anonymity strike you as funny as it strikes me?

  • Zython

    Define “funny”.

  • db

    Absurd, inconsistent, laughable.

  • Zython

    You and DB attack, attack and attack.

    Yes. How dare we have the nerve to attack your slurs. How DARE we!

    You don’t own this post.

    By that logic, you should be obligated to answer mine.

    You are just some wanna be gamer

    How is someone a “wanna be gamer”? Either you are or you aren’t.

    who hasn’t gotten laid ever in his life.

    That wasn’t the story when I was plowing your wife last night.

    Answer the questions and comments I made on this thread you liberal BOZO’s.

    Well, you only asked one question. The rest of your post is whining about minorities. But let’s see:

    What about Rush and O’Reilly getting attacked by Sharpton and do you want more examples?

    No thank you.

    There we go. Now you’re required to answer all of my questions forever. Because that’s how it works, apparently. First question: When are you going to stop touching yourself?

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