Club for Growth, Grover Norquist, The NRA, And The Republican Fig Leaf Industry

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Yesterday, as the Republican party was voting for a tax increase for the super-rich, Grover Norquist was widely mocked for a tweet claiming that despite decades of his idiotic pledge, it would be just okay to vote for this tax increase.

It laid bare what people in Washington know about the conservative pressure establishment and its difference from groups on the left. They exist to prop up the Republican party and if that means betraying what is supposed to be their core beliefs, so be it no matter what.

We saw a lot of this during the Bush years and in the Obama years right after, when all these groups were mute on the issues of spending and increasing the size of government, but suddenly got religion when the presidency switched parties.

The NRA does the same thing, when you see them stamp their feet about a President who has actually expanded gun rights (to his detriment, in my opinion) – simply because he’s from the wrong (Democratic) party. Club for Growth, who never saw a tax cut they didn’t wax rhapsodic over, suddenly is okay with the GOP raising taxes in the fiscal cliff fight.

By comparison, progressive groups tend to rant about Democrats who aren’t progressive enough, lamenting (sometimes to their detriment) legislation that doesn’t go far enough to the left despite pracitcality. At the same time, groups like the Sierra Club are willing to back pro-environment Republicans (an endangered species), unions are okay with (the few) pro-union Republicans, and groups like NARAL have been fine with staying out of races if the Republican happens to be pro-choice (this is now down to about one person.)

They are not nearly as much in the business of being Democrats as they are in being progressive. Sure, they tend to have alliances with one party over another thanks to a shared agenda – but they aren’t just puppet arms of the associated party in the way it operates on the right.

Vote for a tax increase? Somehow that’s now okay… if you’re a Republican.

  • oi ly

    Garbage truck’s here!!

    • db

      Thanks Oliver. I wish there was something I could do to keep you from getting all the extra work dumped on you.

      • Dennis

        “Thanks Oliver. I wish there was something I could do to keep you from getting all the extra work dumped on you.”

        Chief instigator begs and begs and begs for trolls to show up, then tells Oliver he’d do anything to keep him from having to do all this extra work.

        The liberal mindset, in a nutshell.

        • Copypasta Alfredo

          I hadn’t noticed that he was begging for you to comment here, Dennis. Did I miss something or are you being unusually stupid today?

          • oi ly

            Shift change at conservative headquarters – Plunket’s replaces manpigbear.

        • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

          Well, there’s a difference between a troll who actually attempts to have a discusion, and a troll who just spews hate.

          • oi ly

            Plunket can be just as hateful, in that Limbaugh sort of way.

  • oi ly

    It’s already fair – we all know who you are. You’re the problem here, not anybody else. You’re sick of mind and soul – seek out some help before your life blows up all over your face. Maybe after the Big Reveal, then maybe you’ll be ready for a change and you can hopefully grow into a full blooded adult. It’s never too late, Mr. Dufner from New Jersey.

  • oi ly

    Hey pigman, your behavior here is gone way past trolling. You need help, counseling and maybe even a straightjacket and a muzzle. Get some help, dude.

  • Zython

    *Reads comments*

    So Dennis finally went from “Michelle Bachman” crazy to “cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs” crazy, huh?

  • Burn

    Go to zoominfo.com

    Type in Thomas F Dufner, company FSI Bank, in Glen Rock NJ.

    That’s our boy. I remember that mug from his older profiles I found last time I had to do this.

    Some people don’t know when to quit. Given the nature of his posts lately, I think he’s due for a massive mea culpa as he’s at the event horizon right now.

    • db

      Wife, 2 girls, & a boy?

      One wonders how a VP level executive has the time to play his silly games with us? Maybe we could call FSI & ask him.

      Ol,

      “Burn…lets throw hands. Ill fuck you up. Then fuck your sister” seems like a specific enough threat. Is it that he targets “Burn’s sister” rather than a specific person such as “Joan Duftner”?

      • oi ly

        Good observation, db. The level of sexual repression expressed by Mr. Dufner can lead to explosive violence. Hence my FBI comment. I’m seriously thinking of calling his employer and then sending them the link here. I hope the Daily Banter kept a copy of all his other posts.

        • oi ly

          His behavior is also a cry for help.

          • Burn

            My sister is 50, and she could kick the living shit out some little punk ass sitting at a bank desk.

          • Copypasta Alfredo

            Dennis looked me up on LinkedIn, which is why I was able to find his photo, where he lives in VA, the whole 9 yards. This guy is probably twice as dumb and 4 times as mean as Dennis is.

            What would your buddy Ryan think of your trolling here, Tom? Or some of the other folks featured on your LinkedIn entry?

            Dumb, dumb, dumb.

      • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

        “Burn…lets throw hands. Ill fuck you up. Then fuck your sister” seems like a specific enough threat.

        It depends. The question to answer is if he has the means and capabilities to carry out the threat. For example, does he know how to find you? Has he taken a “substansive step” towards carrying out the threat?

        If he’s calling on the phone or mailing letters with the threats, its clear cut. Ranting on the intertubes is more nebulous territory. It HAS been sucessfully prosecuted in the past, but I know of only a few examples.

      • manbearpig

        Did you pussies call that guys job yet??? Me and donaldson are going out on the town for a couple cleveland steamers, or rusty trumbones, or some clam diggers, or some oily golden showers…burn your a coward…more to come

  • oi ly

    This guy should be reported to the FBI or something. Can you do that, Ol-Froth? He’s gone over the edge of civilization.

    • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

      Its kind of iffy, he’s not really making any real specific threats against anyone, more homophobic “tough guy” swagger (unlike say, the infamous Mabius). It could possibly be interperted as harassment by communication or address, which would require the aggrived party (most likely the Daily Banter) to file a complaint with the police dept in whos jurisdiction the offending comments are orginating from.

    • Burn

      Don’t know about getting the FBI involved, he’s just some twerp working at a credit union in NJ. Doubtful he’s actually a threat to anyone and he hasn’t specifically said he was going to do anything violent or dangerous.

      I wonder what his wife thinks of all this. I just found her Facebook profile. She’s kind of cute. Nice looking family.

  • M2

    Sad like someone has.

    • db

      Marco,

      Have you noticed that Dufty/Oy/Sam/Morty/man/etc. come here literally screaming obscenities at us yet we (& Oliver) are bullying him? What’s it called? Cognitive Dissonance?

      How sad his life must be.

      • Burn

        Without much effort I just found his home address, home phone number, work address, work phone number and email. All for free too. I love the interwebs.

        So Dufner, take this as a warning.

        • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

          As I mentioned above, the most likely proper response is to file a complaint with the local authorities in the municipality where he resides.

  • samiam

    Hey manna bear,

    They only come out when people get banned and then they post names like we give a shit.

    FUCK YOU BURN

    You pussy. Sam I am

    • db

      Oy/Morty/Dyfty/samiam,

      An honest question.

      Do you get your jollies coming here & making silly comments or do you just have nothing better to do with your life?

  • samiam

    Where is copy pasta? You fookin fruit loop. Do you pull large pieces of furniture out of your ass?

  • samiam

    Sam I Am manbearpig

  • oi ly

    Plunket and his silly dossiers …

    • samiam

      Oi ly. Who are you and what are doosiers? You mean douchers. The definition of you?

      • samiam

        M2M, Marco. Maybe you and Barney Franke could take a private jet to Benghazi and grease each others asses up on the flight. Through in Bachman and Harry Reid and you have yourself a dopey orgy

        Sam I am

        • oi ly

          Two garbage days in a row!!

          • Copypasta Alfredo

            Hi, fool, you’re a sick puppy, did you realize that, oh homophobe?

          • db

            Oi,

            The trash pickup was confused because of the holiday.

            I really feel sorry for Dufty, in all his incarnations. As I asked above, doing this gives him pleasure?

        • M2

          Sad, Dennis. Real sad.

  • oi ly

    Dennis and his dossiers …

    • oi ly

      What’s his other name?

  • M2

    The Tea Party is in a snit over the GOP voting for the deal and have threatened the GOP with consequences. You built it, GOP. You own the monster now.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Here comes the banhammer….

    • samiam

      You mean Morty Banhammer? You duckweed

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Well I do pay taxes, not that you’d care, and since you don’t add anything to the discussion, I fail to see how engaging with you is in any way constructive.

  • Zython

    If you paid taxes, you could have a say. Since you don’t, shut it

    I wasn’t aware the 24th Amendment was repealed. When did that happen?

  • db

    Ol,

    Engaging with Oy/Dufty is God’s way of telling you you’ve got too much time on your hands. I’m wondering how he got back below the fold.

    Though I’ve got to say Morty as Farris makes some sense.

    On topic, my favorite example comes from Newt Gingrich on Fox. The Libyan Rebels were engaged in heavy fighting. Newt states, “we need to establish a no-fly zone” over Libya. The next day President Obama does so. That night Newt is on Fox asserting that the no-fly zone is an unwarranted and dangerous assumption of war powers by the President.

    Neil Cavuto’s shift from half-full to half-empty is almost as rapid based on 1/20/29.

    Oliver, what’s the quote? The Republicans have an organization. The Democrats have a herd.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Yeah, I know db…but sometimes watching the descent into madness is quite fascinating. I see someone took out the garbage this morning.

    I think it was Will Rogers who said, “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”

  • db

    Indeed Ol,

    Now that you mention it, the trash was taken out. Thanks Oliver.

    Another Rogers quote, “An Independent is just a Republican who’s ashamed to admit it.”

    The Fox “scandal du jour” is interesting; but think of the time wasted & those convinced that the scandal actually exists. Sec. Clinton’s Benghazi Fever just the most recent.

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    “I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.”

    At least according to the Wikiquote.

  • M2

    We had a Benghazi fever fan here last week or so. I am sure he is waiting for the right moment to spring an apology on us for his ridiculous claims.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    I’ll go set the cans out by the curb again.

  • db

    Marco,

    Don’t you know the Doctors were paid off?

    It’s all a plot.

  • M2

    I’m sure. World Net Daily must be in a lather trying to out dumb breitbart’s shit hole.

  • Dennis

    I remember how concerned you were for Michele Bachmann and her migraines, Marco. It was very touching.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Migraines are EXACTLY the same thing as a blood clot of course. And a hangnail is the same thing as cancer.

  • samiam

    And a penis is the same as a vagina jackass

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    Sorry, you’re an idiot.

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    FOAD, fool.

  • db

    DA,

    FOAD?

    And since “Frank” is taken do you prefer DA or Alf as a handle? Or maybe just CA?

    Think of Dufty’s pathetic life, where the high point of the day is bothering Oliver to come here & clean up his filth.

  • manbearpig

    Sorry. Ill stop cursing. It must hurt your loser virgin unemployed ears with all these dirty 4 letter words. Ol froth is an old nerd. Frank aka copy pasta has no life no job and no real home. He lives in a shack and doesnt take ouy his garbage.

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    CA is fine. FOAD is internet slang.

    As for our puffy friend, he doesn’t know sh*t from Shinola. At least he still has a purty mouth.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Actually, I’m a middle aged nerd.

  • db

    Was that purty or potty mouth?

  • oi ly

    Too late Tom, I’ll be calling your work on Monday and then sending your boss this link. I planned to do it earlier but I had to run out to the store, etc.

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    I vote for you not to try to run a blog that doesn’t belong to you, dipshit.

    If it doesn’t stop, I will personally call Oliver Willis and ask him to put an end to it. I am sick and tired of you guys and the assaults you place on others whether it be Tom, Dennis, Farris or Frank.

    Ohhhhhhhhh, guys, he’ll call Oliver himself! Wormer’s going to drop the big one!

    I will stop posting on this blog FOREVER if you stop the personal attacks. If not, let the fun continue. Your choice, Burn clearly has a head on his shoulders unlike a few others of you.

    It’s the old divide and conquer tactic, and Burn is too smart to fall for it, dipshit.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    I don’t see how pointing out the steps one takes to register a complaint about harassing behavior can be construed as a threat, unless you’re starting to realize that outlandish behavior can be prosecutable.For example, here’s the PA statute, your laws may vary:

    § 2709. Harassment.
    (a) Offense defined.–A person commits the crime of
    harassment when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another,
    the person:
    (1) strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects the
    other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to
    do the same;
    (2) follows the other person in or about a public place
    or places;
    (3) engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits
    acts which serve no legitimate purpose;
    (4) communicates to or about such other person any lewd,
    lascivious, threatening or obscene words, language, drawings
    or caricatures;
    (5) communicates repeatedly in an anonymous manner;
    (6) communicates repeatedly at extremely inconvenient
    hours; or
    (7) communicates repeatedly in a manner other than
    specified in paragraphs (4), (5) and (6).

    I’m unsure if it applies to anonymous internet postings, but such a prosecution by police in Canada did take down the notorious cyber stalker Dennis Markuze recently.

  • db

    Burn,

    What’s more fun (at least for me) is that to Dufty/Sam/etc. we are making threats against him, Frank DiSalle, Dennis, & Farris. What threats have we made to him? Call his boss? If a telephone call is a threat or assault, I’ve got a lot of telemarketers I’d like to see locked up.

    Yet, at the same time he’s threatening, you specifically or us, with threats that could have come straight out of “The Sopranos”.

    Then there’s, “I will stop posting on this blog FOREVER if you stop the personal attacks.” But by his own violent posting; he creates the very response he’s objecting to. Of course the idea that he is the defender of Frank, Dennis, Farris, et. al. is either silly or sad. (I’m leaning toward sad). Tom: Defender of the Right, laying waste to Marxist/Socialist/Liberals with his rapier wit. Reducing us to whimpering hulks & listening to the lamentations of our women. Mixing metaphors with reckless abandon.

    I agree with oi, this is a call for help. I don’t know how to reach him but if we hear of a mass shooting in NJ; I won’t be surprised.

    There is nothing I’ve ever posted here that I’d object to being read to my Boss. Go ahead Tom. Send it.

  • db

    CA,

    “If it doesn’t stop, I will personally call Oliver Willis and ask him to put an end to it.” Sounds an awful lot like, “I’m gonna tell”.

    He objects to us calling him & yet at the same time threatens to call Oliver at home, since he’s already accused Oliver of not holding a job.

  • oi ly

    The Twitter link is stuck in moderation and will in all likelihood remain there. So Tom, Google twitter Mabus Apologizes and see you future.

  • Burn

    So it is you. Some random dude wouldn’t be getting so upset if it wasn’t. Awesome. Thanks for the confession, bitch.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Front loops?

  • oi ly

    No harassment, just showing your family and boss that you need some professional help. You really are sick of mind and of soul. What lurks in your closet, pigman?

  • M2

    Ignore it. It’s sad and pathetic and wants attention and is still butthurt the white guy didn’t win.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    I’ve never tried to hide where I live, or where I work. I don’t know why you’d think I’d be upset for you reposting what is freely available.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Well, that’s where I took my handle from, but I’m an Iron City guy (the brewer of Olde Frothingslosh, btw).

    I’ve never tried to hide that I live in Pittsburgh. I could care less that you’re reposting things that are freely available.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Wrong time of year for it, but once the weather gets warmer, I will hit the woods and pick a few! Thanks for reminding me!

    You seem to be under the delusion that I’d be upset that you can access publically available information about me, information that I freely posted to the world. Here’s a hint: I don’t. Have at it!

  • Burn

    So now you are taking on the persona of someone in the military? Interesting. Trying to reinvent yourself because you aren’t happy with who you really are. My god, this is sad sad and sad again. I guess I am feeding right into your delusions by giving you the attention you so desperately crave. This will be it for me, son.

    Enjoy the weekend, Dufthom, Morty, Sam, Manbear, Oy.

  • Burn

    You should be scared, bitch. You should be worried. Remember this, when it’s all said and done, you did it to yourself.

  • oi ly

    Ticktock .. ticktock goes Tom’s doomsday clock …

  • Burn

    That’s why he is shitting his pants now, doubling down on the lunacy. We got the goods on him, and he knows it so what does a cornered animal do? Lash out in any and every direction.

    Oh, this will be so fun next week.

  • oi ly

    Next thing he’ll be trying to convince himself (us) that he was one of the heroic Navy Seals of Abbottabad.

  • oi ly

    I know, I know, the anxiety is getting to you and you just want it over with. Soon, Raskolnikov, soon – “Here, drink some water, calm yourself, take some deep breaths …”

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    I noticed he’s obsessing on me now. Probably because I cited the legal statues under which he could possibly be held accountable for his actions.

  • http://frothslosh.typepad.com/froth-slosh-bgosh/ Ol-Froth

    Um, I’m off on Saturdays, but please feel free to contact my boss and employer. Tell them I said hi!

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    Sure, little man, keep pretending that you’re someone to be feared instead of jeered.

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    Hey, Piggy, why are you running scared today?

  • Copypasta Alfredo

    Thanks for the feedback, doofus.

  • manbearpig

    Where is the barn theatre??? Id like to go there one day.

  • manbearpig

    Id love to make my way to portersville one day and catch a good show…me and donaldson!!!!!! Did you fuck heads call that guy??? Probably not…cunts

  • manbearpig

    Big bortoms….burn got em….he like fat girls…cuffman likes ssi and chief anagglepuss is knuckle deep in oi lys snatch