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The Kitchen Sink & The Whole Nine Yards: How The Right Reacts To Losing An Election

By · September 19,2012
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Right now, Barack Obama is winning this election. That’s really not in dispute. Sure, he could be anywhere from 1 percent ahead to 8 percent ahead nationally, and in some key swing states – Florida, Michigan, Ohio, he is up as well. Despite the millions of dollars invested by the Romney campaign, the outside Rove and Koch groups, and the day in-and-out drumbeat of the conservative media — Barack Obama is currently beating Mitt Romney.

That could change. Something could happen to change the current dynamic. But right now, as I write this, Obama is near to winning a second term.

Hold on to your hats, because its going to get crazy.

In 2008, as it became clearer and clearer that Obama was going to beat McCain, the right went nuts. That’s when Palin attacked Obama for “pallin’ around” with terrorists, when the McCain crowds — their worst fears keyed up by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh — started getting whipped up into a frenzy… it got bad.

I think this will be worse.

Worse because they have thrown everything at this President. The smears and attacks on the Clintons, in many ways, have been far superseded by the modern conservative movement. People forget that Fox News hadn’t even begun until Clinton’s second term, and it didn’t have the power it does now. Rush Limbaugh wasn’t on as many stations, and on and on and on.

Before Obama was inaugurated, they’ve been on the attack. They never let up. There was no honeymoon period, no breathing room afforded to him. They’ve assailed him as a socialist, black nationalist and any other caricature that keeps the right’s old and shrinking base up at night in a cold sweat. They’ve even had victories, with the midterm elections most significant of them all. But they’ve also kept losing to Obama. Health care reform passed and survived a Supreme Court challenge. The stimulus passed and has helped to reverse the Bush Recession. There have been victories for the right — they did their darndest to lower America’s credit rating — but Obama’s ahead.

Right now they can’t understand how the radical leftist caricature they’ve created in their mind is beating the most generic Republican ever. Trust me, I’ve been there. I couldn’t understand how a royal idiot screwup like Bush was losing to a generic Democrat like John Kerry. Like me, the right is thinking right now that sure — Romney doesn’t actually inspire anyone, but he’s Republican enough to defeat Obama in this climate. But he isn’t.

It’s already beginning, you can see Fox beginning its lurch into swamps that are more fevered than usual. They’re hearing their conservative base audience beginning to bray for blood, and they’re going to serve up the red meat in bulk. Romney’s bumbling campaign is in the process of making the McCain, Kerry, Dole and Dukakis campaigns look like models of efficiency and discipline, and it’s making the right’s core mad as hell.

Even worse, while John McCain did in fact indulge the fringier elements in his party during his campaign (mostly through Sarah Palin, their spirit animal), he had some kind of line. Willard “Mitt” Romney has no such scruples. They haven’t quite done it yet, but I suspect if Obama’s current lead keeps up or — God forbid — increases, we’re quite likely to see Romney and the Super PACs hit the switch on really crazy stuff.

Already you’ve got the conservative base and media pushing Romney to go all the way. Romney’s just weak and craven enough to do it, even though I suspect he has a few people advising him (and Rove from afar) that the real base stuff will do wonders for him with the mouth-breathers but is a turn off to true swing voters. In September of an election year, Romney still hasn’t quite sold himself to the base (not even Kerry had a problem like that).

It isn’t a situation that’s good for America, but in the short term it should be pretty entertaining. Few things are as fun as watching the right blow a gasket on the national stage. I’ve seen them at their apex — the 2004 election, and I’ve seen them at lows in 2006 and 2008. This is not a repeat of 2004, and their behavior as a movement and party is out of the 1964 playbook.

Because of partisan near-parity, we won’t see a repeat of the ‘64 results. In spite of their lackluster candidate and his tepid campaign, there are major states that just won’t shift out of the GOP column no matter what. They’re going to win Texas, for instance (though I wouldn’t bet on that in 2024…) but they’ve always had this crazy beast inside yearning to be free.

Unleash the beast, I’ll get the popcorn.

 

  • oi ly

    Dennis – “He didn’t take the full deduction for his charitable contributions as he could have.”

    “It’s noble. It also doesn’t prevent him from taking that deduction in an amended return if he were to file it after the election.”

    Dennis – “Are you seriously faulting him for paying too much in taxes, Marco?”

    “In an interview conducted in July, the Governor remarked, “”I don’t pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president. I’d think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.””

    From –

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/21/divine-comedy-romney-releases-his-2011-tax-return-and-an-snl-skit-is-born/

    • oi ly

      “This comment came after the statement made during a GOP primary debate in January where Romney suggested, “I pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more. I don’t think you want someone as the candidate for president who pays more taxes than he owes.””

  • Plunket

    Haha. This is f’ing awesome, too!

    Touré shows he actually knows about as much about taxes as the OW Five does…..and maybe less.

    “He would have actually paid 9 percent if he didn’t artificially inseminate the number.”

    Gawd.

    Where does MSNBC find these guys, comments sections of liberal blogs?

    Hey Oily, have you ever been approached by MSNBC to be a roundtable expert on tax policy?

    • oi ly

      My question is – does a hired firm have to reveal everything that is in the tax return or just what the client wants revealed/proven, etc? Would omissions be legal or illegal. I really don’t know. Maybe you could clarify.

      • db

        oi,

        As far as I know Price Waterhouse was asked to certify that WMR & Wife paid taxes in the covered years.

        “does the hired firm have to reveal everything …”

        You got a Court order? You got a criminal investigation going? You got Subpoena powers?

        Taxes are strictly confidential. The Taxpayer can release what he chooses & until now Presidential Candidates have done so. Forcing? No. Larry Flynt’s money may get them out but I frankly don’t know how it could happen.

        Price Waterhouse has issued a very limited statement which I’m inclined to believe accurate as far as it goes.

        Though if there really is nothing there, perhaps WMR himself would take Flynt’s money to release them. A million bucks is a million bucks.

        • oi ly

          So, in other words, if the tax return showed he took the amnesty, the accounting firm would not be obligated to reveal it.

          • db

            No,

            Because they are not auditing the Romney taxes.

            They are not providing any sort of 3rd party analysis & if they prepared the taxes; they’d be in no position to do so.

            They are merely providing a statement that the Romneys did indeed pay some taxes in the years covered. Thus allowing Republicans to play stupid word games (see below). It’s a very limited statement but certainly allows the Republicans to fuzz things.

        • Plunket

          Price Waterhouse has issued a very limited statement which I’m inclined to believe accurate as far as it goes.

          If you believe that then you should believe Harry Reid is a dirty f’ing scumbag liar, db. Harry Reid said he paid no taxes the last ten years. None.

          • db

            Dennis,

            I’ve said before, I’m not playing your stupid word games.

          • Plunket

            It’s not a word game. Harry Reid went on the floor of the House and claimed that Mitt Romney paid no taxes for the last ten years. Price Waterhouse Coppers provided a summary of his taxes for the last 20 years and declared that Mitt and Ann Romney paid an average of 20% effective tax rate in those yeas and had the summary signed by their attorney and notarized in the state of New York.

            Harry Reid is saying a lot of things, but what he is not saying is he denies Mitt Romney paid taxes in the last ten years, because he would have to be calling Mitt and Ann Romney liars and Price Waterhouse Coopers fraudulent and lying about his taxes. He would have to claim that based on information he received from several Bain investor contacts of his who he declared told him that.

            And you said that it would be worth to prove Harry Reid wrong just to be able to shame him.

            Now you stifle your comments and say you won’t play word games.

            Bold, Priceless. Way to stand up.

    • db

      Dennis,

      The link doesn’t type out“He would have actually paid 9 percent if he didn’t artificially inseminate the number.” Is that what you heard? Filth is in the mind of the beholder. Perhaps he said “inflate”?

      Though in the captioning for one of the Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes movies they speak of the Ostend to Dover Packet. The captioner typed it “Austin to Dover.” Sometimes things are misheard.

      And some people are not as brilliant as you, Dennis, & in the heat of discussion simply say the wrong word.

      • Plunket

        The link doesn’t type out“He would have actually paid 9 percent if he didn’t artificially inseminate the number.” Is that what you heard? Filth is in the mind of the beholder. Perhaps he said “inflate”?

        The link I posted does type that out.

    • M2

      So sorry. Didn’t know 30,000 Libyans marching in solidarity with the west was too partisan an issue to be excited about.

  • M2
  • oi ly

    “Harry Reid should either apologize or say he thinks Price Waterhouse is lying”

    Tactically a smart move by the Republicans. How can the Pres bring up the taxes issue during the debates without calling Price Waterhouse liars. Tricky.

    • Plunket

      Again, all Mitt Romney’s money and all his bundlers’ money wouldn’t be enough for Price Waterhouse to accept a bribe to lie for him. If for any reason his taxes are made public, say one of Harry Reid’s Bain investor faeries does have them, PWC is exposed for fraud and loses all kinds of corporate clients world-wide. Can you think of a rational reason why they’d take that risk, Oily? Just something, anything rational that doesn’t make you sound like you have no clue what a Big Four accounting firm does, which I’m kinda gathering is the case.

      • oi ly

        My question is – does the hired firm have to reveal everything in the tax return or just what the client wants revealed/proven, etc? Would omissions be legal or illegal.

  • oi ly

    What comes after a notarized note, a simulacrum of a tax return?

  • oi ly

    I’ll remember the letter trick should I ever get a notice from the IRA; really, Sir, all the income I made is in this letter. And look, it’s notarized too. What a joke of a man he is.

  • enlightened liberal

    As is usually instructive in situations like this, let’s pretend Romney was a Democrat and offered a “notarized letter” in lieu of let’s say, his birth certificate.

    Now no Presidential candidate should be forced to put their birth certificate online as it’s ridiculous to think that someone vetted by a major political party wouldn’t be a native-born citizen, but let’s pretend that this could happen.

    Would the Republicans be satisfied? No, they would think he was hiding something. This is just an exercise of course, no one would be foolish enough to think a major political party would doubt the birthright citizenship of another party’s candidate, but it was the only comparison that I could think of.

  • oi ly

    Means nothing, even the mob has notaries, lawyers and accountants.

  • db

    Dennis,

    In re Price Waterhouse:

    Two Words.

    Arthur Andersen.

    • Plunket

      You’re an apologist, Priceless. Let’s let Harry Reid claim he thinks PWC is lying like you are.

      • Plunket

        db,

        Harry Reid should either apologize or say he thinks Price Waterhouse is lying, because either he is wrong or they are lying with their notarized letter of attestation, exposing themselves to all kinds of legal ramifications and a shit-storm of damage control for as long as they might be in existence if proven guilty of fraud. All Harry Reid is saying is “He must be hiding something. He must be hiding something.” He’s taking the cowardly route, which is no surprise to anyone.

  • Plunket

    And it shows that he didn’t even pay 14% income tax, less than most middle class people.

    Romney paid over 14% and most middle class people do not pay over a 14% effective tax rate, el, that is false.

    NY Times Effective Income Tax Rates

  • db

    Marco,

    I saw 13.9% so I’d be hard pressed to argue against either 13% or 14%, though 14% is the correct rounding mathematically.

    See my earlier comments on the Tax Amnesty issue. The alleged “Notarized Letter” takes no position on the issue as far as I know.

    I’ve got no answer for you (or Jon Stewart) why promoting democracy os good for Bush but bad for President Obama. Beyond that though, I want to see what is being proposed for a Mid-East policy. Dennis Schlacher’s contribution will be in essence “something else”, helpful as always. I’ve heard lots of buzz words but nothing specific. Restraining Israel. From what, with what consequences?

    I think three repetitions of a comment is a record.

    • enlightened liberal

      So this is Romney’s 2011 tax return, which he managed so that it looks the BEST it can. And it shows that he didn’t even pay 14% income tax, less than most middle class people. And he goes up on the stump and says how it should be much less. Totally out of touch.

      Notarized letter- right…. Now I KNOW there is something in the returns, especially 2009′s, that is an issue. Bet it’s the amnesty.

  • Plunket

    Romney paid 14.1% effective tax rate in 2011

    Romney, the wealthiest GOP presidential nominee in decades, has been under fire from President Obama and Democrats for refusing to release more than two years of tax returns. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has asserted that Romney has paid no income taxes in some years, a point that Romney has vehemently denied.

    His campaign will post a notarized letter from Pricewaterhouse Coopers, showing that Mitt and Ann Romney paid both state and federal income taxes for a 20-year period, starting with 1990 and going through 2009. The Romneys already released their income tax return for 2010.

    Hmm, Dingy Harry’s word that he got from a trusted source of his who he refuses to reveal….or a notarized letter from Price Waterhouse Coopers?

    Dingy Harry said this on the floor of Congress and staked his reputation, what there is left of it, on the fact he was telling the truth that Romney paid no taxes over the last ten years.

    • M2

      LOL. A notarized letter?

      • Plunket

        LOL. A notarized letter?

        You’re taking Reid’s word that his anonymous source knew what he was talking about and had access to Romney’s taxes as a supposed Bain investor over a notarized letter of attestation from the largest accounting firm in the world.

        Yes, Marco, LOL indeed.

        • M2

          Did he get a notarized letter excusing him from gym class, too?

          • Plunket

            Do you know what the legal, reputation, PR and financial liability repercussions of an accounting firm of their magnitude signing a notarized letter of attestation regarding a presidential candidate that was proven to be false, Marco. Mitt could offer them every last dime to his name and it wouldn’t come close to making up for that risk, you idiot.

            You or db asked me a couple weeks ago why he doesn’t just release his returns so he could ruin Harry Reid’s reputation forever. I laughed at that and said there was no way you clowns would even care, you’d still stick up for him no matter what. The last thing you were concerned about was Harry’s reputation. I was right. You think Harry’s just being a good soldier. LOL, indeed.

          • M2

            “Do you know what the legal, reputation, PR and financial liability repercussions of an accounting firm of their magnitude signing a notarized letter of attestation regarding a presidential candidate that was proven to be false, Marco.”

            Please, Dennis. There is no good reason why he hasn’t provided his tax returns other than what he already admitted – “They’ll use them against me.”

            It’s ridiculous to claim he isn’t hiding something when he said he is hiding something.

      • enlightened liberal

        I know. Quite lame. And I paid a higher tax rate than Mitt. What is he hiding? Won’t matter after November 6 anyway, Mitt will be swept into the dustbin of history.

        • M2

          He is ridiculous. He’d have been better off just releasing what he said he would, and take the extra lumps. The letter from a notary is just fucking hilarious.

          13%. Another unlucky number for Mitt.

          • M2

            Oops. 14. My bad.

          • Plunket

            Marco, I know you don’t know what a money market fund does, or what a pension fund invests in, or what banks do with their short-term cash, or really anything to do with finance, but can you tell me why the largest accounting firm in the world would sign a notarized letter of attestation asserting something that they know to be untrue regarding the taxes of one of their clients, that client being a presidential client? Or perhaps do you know of something they could do that would be more legally binding? They cannot just release his tax forms, you do know that much, right?

            Is this worth having a conversation with you, or are you just going to stick your fingers in your ears like you did with the Cayman branch thing?

          • enlightened liberal

            Check the kerning on that letter. Also, I think it is a photoshop because there are too many layers in the pdf.

        • Plunket

          And I paid a higher tax rate than Mitt.

          I kinda doubt you paid a higher effective rate than he did, but I also doubt you can afford to live off investment income, either, which was the vast bulk of his income last year.

          I also doubt you gave charities to the point it that raised your total taxes paid plus charitable donations up to 39% of your total income, either, like the Romney’s did. Don’t feel bad, though, neither did Obama or Biden.

          Skinflint Joe Biden gave 1.5% of his income to charity in 2011.
          Romney gave 29.4% away to charity.

          Joe Biden, what a guy.

          • M2

            Gee, wonder why he gave so much in the 2 years he agreed to release taxes for?

            Seriously. Demented.

          • Plunket

            Please, Dennis. There is no good reason why he hasn’t provided his tax returns other than what he already admitted – “They’ll use them against me.”

            Gee, wonder why he gave so much in the 2 years he agreed to release taxes for?

            Are you seriously faulting him for paying too much in taxes, Marco? He didn’t take the full deduction for his charitable contributions as he could have. He did what no one else that’s talking about fair share, not Obama, not Biden, not Pelosi, not Reid, not even Warren Buffett, has done….he paid more in taxes than he was required to.

            No, of course you wouldn’t use his tax returns against him. I’m not even a tax geek, but the fact of the matter is, you guys don’t know your rear ends from a hole in the ground when it comes to taxes, so it doesn’t take a whole lot of imagination to find something to criticize him for. The guy makes a lot of money, he gives a lot of money away, unlike Obama and Biden until the past couple years, and he lives off investment income, money that he has that he’s already been taxed on once before when he first earned it, which Congress has deemed to be taxed at a rate of 15%. And Congress has allowed for charitable contributions to be allowed as deductions. Try to understand that.

  • oi ly

    I think the US should invade the entire Middle East, Northern Africa, Russian and China too. What’s the hold up?

    • M2

      It’s the only sane response, it seems.

      • Plunket

        Nah, keep blaming it all on the video, Marco, that’s the better response, even though Jay Carney tells us it’s ‘self-evident’ that it was a planned, coordinated attack.

        And keep sending out apology/appeasement ads for that video to make them all calm down and like us again.

        • M2

          No we should do the GOP thing and talk tough like a complete asshole and offer nothing that is remotely based in reality?

          I’ll trust Sec. Clinton over Mitt’s uncertainty about just about everything in the Middle East.

          BTW, Mitt is bravely releasing his second of 2 tax returns at 3pm EST., according to Politico. That should save his campaign.

          • db

            Marco,

            You remember a few years ago the amnesty for declaring overseas income? No interest, no penalties, just pay the tax on the unreported income. (Don’t trust my memory too far here). Want to bet Mitt’s got some (formerly) illegal tax problems floating around? It was four or five years ago so the 2011 taxes should be clean (or cleaned up over the last 5 months).

            Restraining Israel from what? Bombing Iran? Using their own nuclear weapons? I think that’s a good idea.

            My problem is essentially this though, if it’s a bad idea for President Obama to support democracy in Libya & Egypt; what exactly is the goal to starting a war with Iran? Bring back the Shah? He died. Son of Shah? Kill everyone? There are what? 1.5 billion Muslims in the world? Kill them all?

            I’d like Farris or Frank to tell me the definite, objective goal starting a war with Iran would have. What’s the goal & how do we get there from here?

          • Plunket

            Maybe Obama will bravely and release all the Fast and Furious documents, too, Marco. Instead of, you know lying that the program began under the Bush program.

          • M2

            OMG, with that and the wicked Solandra scandal, it’s amazing this President hasn’t been impeached already.

          • M2

            And yes…

            “Previous programs involving ATF agents allowing guns to “walk” across the border so as to trace them were run during the Bush presidency, but not this particular “field-initiated program.”

            What a shocking, horrible lie, too. Just shocking.

            Too funny.

          • M2

            Db, I’d also like to know if the Arab Spring is now a disaster, how come they’re not blaming Bush who they rushed to credit at the start of it. It was the brilliance of invading Iraq that got the ball rolling, after all.

          • Plunket

            What a shocking, horrible lie, too. Just shocking.

            When you’re asked a direct question about Fast and Furious and your first sentence is that it was a program started under the Bush Administration, seeing as how that’s not at all true, yeah, Marco, that’s what’s known as a lie.

          • M2

            Yes, if you set aside Bush had similar programs and this began in 2009, certainly not out of whole cloth considering other gun-walking programs, yes, it is a horrible lie.

            Fucking hilarious. this is better than your “Obama lied about the Romney camp’s fact checking comment!!!”

            Awesome.

          • M2

            Yes, if you set aside Bush had similar programs and this began in 2009, certainly not out of whole cloth considering other gun-walking programs, yes, it is a horrible lie.

            Fucking hilarious. this is better than your “Obama lied about the Romney camp’s fact checking comment!!!”

            Awesome.

          • M2

            Yes, if you set aside Bush had similar programs and this began in 2009, certainly not out of whole cloth considering other gun-walking programs, yes, it is a horrible lie.

            Fucking hilarious. this is better than your “Obama lied about the Romney camp’s fact checking comment!!!”

            Awesome.

          • M2

            The fuck? Three times?

          • Plunket

            Marco, seriously, you’re being an apologist.

            This is what Obama said:

            “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration,” the president said.

            He left no doubt as to the fact he was talking specifically about the Fast and Furious program. He said ‘the Fast and Furious’ program. That’s not even a dodge. That is a lie.

          • M2

            No, Dennis. You’re just ridiculous. Gun-walking programs were nothing new in 2009 as your own article notes. It’s a stretch to say he is lying when your own article states these are facts.

            Funny, one can’t just be wrong in your world when you’re a Democrat. You’re just lying.

            Ridiculous, especially if you think this is a really big get.

          • Plunket

            Funny, one can’t just be wrong in your world when you’re a Democrat. You’re just lying.

            I’ll remember that next time you hold back from saying someone lied as opposed to simply getting something wrong, Marco. Never mind that Obama claimed executive privilege on requested documents for the Fast and Furious program. You make it sound as if this was a Bush program so he really never paid much attention to it, so it’s no biggie to get it wrong, the first thing out of his mouth in response to the question. The guy you think is the smartest guy in the United States. Sure, he just got that wrong. Something he claimed Executive Privilege for when he said he was going to be the most transparent president ever.

  • M2

    Byt he way, troops coming home from Afghanistan? What an asshole, President Obama. What a foreign policy fail move.

  • Plunket

    Collapse of the Cairo Doctrine

    In the week following 9/11/12 something big happened: the collapse of the Cairo Doctrine, the centerpiece of President Obama’s foreign policy. It was to reset the very course of post-9/11 America, creating, after the (allegedly) brutal depredations of the Bush years, a profound rapprochement with the Islamic world.

    Never lacking ambition or self-regard, Obama promised in Cairo, June 4, 2009, “a new beginning” offering Muslims “mutual respect,” unsubtly implying previous disrespect. Curious, as over the previous 20 years, America had six times committed its military forces on behalf of oppressed Muslims, three times for reasons of pure humanitarianism (Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo), where no U.S. interests were at stake……….

    What else can Obama do? At their convention, Democrats endlessly congratulated themselves on their one foreign policy success: killing Osama bin Laden. A week later, the Salafist flag flies over four American embassies, even as the mob chants, “Obama, Obama, there are still a billion Osamas.”

    A foreign policy in epic collapse. And, by the way, Vladimir Putin just expelled the U.S. Agency for International Development from Russia. Another thank you from another recipient of another grand Obama “reset.”

    “Epic collapse”. Write that on the back of your hand, brain-washed Obama-bots.

    • M2

      What’s wrong, Dennis? Can’t figure out how to cut and paste correctly? Don’t worry, I won’t chase you around with it all day like your devastating Book takedown.

      And oh no, we’ve lost Chuck K. Say it ain’t so. Chuck is bent because the President couldn’t predict the Arab Spring in his 2009 Cairo speech. Genius, Chuck. That is almost as bad as Farris comparing economic figures from random Bush years to Obama’s without noting a certain devastating recession.

      Plus, Obama is restraining Israel? How? Because the right says so?

      Good to know Chuck thinks killing Osama was a success, though. Last week, killing him was a negative according to Richard Miniter’s screed.

      Luckily, GOP Fox News hacks are only taken seriously by demented right wingers who will use absolutely anything at anytime to attack the President as his ridiculous opponent flails.

      • db

        Marco,

        Before I saw Krauthammer on TV, I’d never seen a guy who’d use the same product as shoe polish & hair colour.

  • M2
    • oi ly
    • db

      Marco,

      Do you remember the stink Fox “News” tried to create four years ago with the American Flag? (Then Candidate) Obama had been photographed, in Ohio,with a flag that looked sorta like the American but had replaced the stars with an “O”. Great consternation until it was pointed out that this was the State Flag of Ohio.

    • enlightened liberal

      Gosh, I feel dumber for having read that. They really do go around outraged all day, don’t they?

      Saw a Facebook post that reminded me of this-
      “When you hate everything about someone, everything they do bothers you- it’s like ‘look at that f*$&&$ bitch eating crackers like she owns the place’”

      Reminds me of their ridiculous attacks on the President. One of these days I’m going to start a wiki of conservative outrages over the years. My favorite was that Frost kids parents have granite countertops (discovered when Michelle Malkin peeped through their window) so their kid shouldn’t be on SCHIP.

      • M2

        Faux outrage is their lifeblood, it seems. Ravenous assholes.

  • db

    Dennis, Mr.Schlacher,

    You’re tripping. There will always be good & bad economic news. Often it’s merely the view you take of the same item.

    Obviously you didn’t find anything to be optimistic/pessimistic about in the polling data, so now you’re off on this run.

    • Plunket

      That’s just embarrassing, Priceless. Nothing materially positive has happened to our economy in order to make the percentage of Democrats who believe that the economic news isn’t bad decline from 31% to 15% in one month other than a wholesale, mesmerizing brainwash of the Democratic populace. Which is exactly what was going on at precisely this time four years ago as the economic news was getting worse and worse.

      • db

        Is what you’re snorting legal?

        Housing starts?
        Stock market multi-year highs?
        Unemployment dropping?
        Credit Card debt dropping?
        US net exporter of gasoline?

        You’re saying the collapse of the stock market 4 years ago was brainwashing? My 401k really didn’t shed that money. I didn’t buy GE at $6.66?

        I gotta get me some of what you’re doing. That’s some trip.

        • Plunket

          “To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.” –A.B. Alcott

  • oi ly

    It’s gonna be tough month and a half for El Bunghole.

    • M2

      The butthurt is great with this one.

  • Plunket

    Of course…..

    Study: Only 15 Percent Of Democrats Believe Economic News Is Bad

    New data found that just 15 percent of Democrats believe that recent economic news is mostly poor, a percentage that took a significant drop from the 31 percent of Democrats polled last month who did think that economic news was mostly bad. According to the study, the 15-percent clip is among the lowest percentages during President Barack Obama’s nearly four years in office.

    Rainbows and unicorns. And notes on the back of your hands. It’s all good.

    From a month ago.

  • M2
    • enlightened liberal

      Damn! Our plot has been foiled!

      1. Obama convinces Chick-Fil-a to contribute to right-wing hate groups.
      2. Obama forces the ex-CEO to make controversial statements.
      3. Obama puppet Mike Huckabee gets anti-gay marriage Americans to frequent Chick-Fil-a.
      4. Anti-gay Americans get heart disease from eating fried crap, die sooner.
      5. Social Security and Medicare saved, Extreme Left Wing Socialists elected in perpetuity by liberals who avoided the bad food at Chic-Fil-A.

      If it wasn’t for those crazy kids!

  • M2

    I hope the Chik fill A folks have gym memberships. You’re going to need them.

    http://beta.usatoday.com/story/ondeadline/2012/09/20/chick-fil-a-gay-issue/1582527/

  • db

    Dennis,

    Enjoy your poll but you got it a little wrong. But recently:

    Rasmussen: Obama 46% Romney 47%
    Gallup: Obama 47% Romney 46%
    Reuters: 47%-43%
    AP: 47%-46%
    Public Policy: 50%-46%
    Pew Research 51%-43%
    NBC 50%-45%

    Take your pick. I’m sure you’ll find something encouraging. Somewhere.

    • Wilbur

      Take your pick

      i.e. take you cherry pick, of course.

  • M2
  • M2

    He doesn’t have a point. He never does. He’s here foaming because Mittens is going down in flames and he’ll lash out at anything and anybody thru November.

    Fun. Just sit back and watch.

  • Plunket

    O…M….G…

    Now this creepy Obama-cult thing coming back into vogue, this time with the hands, is something that’s popcorn-worthy.

    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz wrote something on her hand, too

    • db

      Dennis,

      I don’t see the relevance of your post at all. Did you happen to want to post in on another site?

      Schlacher? I’d guess you still have people misspelling it & the difficulties in school must have been rough.

    • Zython

      She should have written on the front of her hand like a true patriot.

  • db

    “I protest against the endeavor to delude the poor people of this country to their ruin by trying to make them believe that they can get employment before the prople who would ordinarily employ them are also again restored to conditions of normal prosperity”

    • Rheinhard

      Yes, because the Romneys/Kochs/Adelsons of the world are suffering so mightily at the moment.

      • db

        Sorry Rheinhard,

        1932.

        • Plunket

          Gallup: Romney pulls even with Obama at 47%, Marco.

          47% of the population are Obama cultists and there’s not much you can do about that.

          This is after the devastating Romney snippets, too. And before the State Department’s admission that the embassy attacks were terrorist attacks and not the phony offensive movie excuse they peddled to save face.

          • M2

            Dennis found one poll. Everybody clap for him.

            Devastating Romney Snippets is my new band name. I promise we won’t suck like Mitt.

          • Plunket

            Yeah, you’re right, Marco. Gallup is biased because the Media Matters-directed DOJ is going after them right now, so a daily tracking poll after all the doom and gloom and rats leaving the ship and snippets and gaffes and incompetence and MIka and her MSNBC cohorts tsk-tsking all day long, that updated poll is not to be believed. Outlier. Because the creepy Obama cult thing is ramping up the Democrat enthusiasm all of a sudden as the economy continues to stagnate, gas prices go up and the Middle East goes up in flames as all our embassies are under siege. Everybody is just so, so happy. Uptingles.

          • M2

            Did I say Gallup is biased? No.

            Stop your crying.

          • Zython

            Did I say Gallup is biased? No.

            Dennis sure did, though.

        • Plunket

          The poll I found just happened to be the most up-to-date one, mook. I mean, not to ruin the popcorn or anything, but I just thought it might be, you know, what’s the word, it’s right on the tip of my tongue, oh yeah,…relevant.

          • M2

            And i still didn’t claim it’s biased.

            Stop your crying.

    • Plunket

      Seven of nation’s 10 most affluent counties are in the Washington, DC region, Mr. Al ‘db’ Smith. If we can just keep on the pace of ballooning our government that we’re currently on and annex the NoVa/DC/MD region to include the rest of the country, we should be good to go as a nation in no time flat.

      • db

        Dennis,

        You found the quote. Bravo.

  • Plunket

    Yet another ‘Gosh, those Asian women and their crazy eyes’ photo on OW.com.

    • M2

      Maybe you should tell her how everybody has ching chonged an Asian before like you did.

      Anyhoot…

      The excuses are flying 47 days out. Best hope they have is keeping enough of those dirty 47% away from the polls.

    • Wilbur

      You’re the only one who links Asians with crazy eyes, Dennis, you racist you.

      • Plunket

        No, you’d be pretty much wrong again there, Wilbur….little guy.

        Michelle Malkin Brings The Full-On Crazyface To New Book Tour

        “is her wide-eyed zealotry”

        “she becomes a wide eyed zealot”

        “crazyeyes ”

        Nine photos, Wilbur. This one above is just the tenth.

        Seriously…..WTF is up with that?

        • Wilbur

          WTF is up is that she’s a crazy-eyed banshee. The fact that she’s of Asian ancestry has nothing to do with it except in your desperate little hacky head, bucko.

          • Plunket

            You’re a misogynist, Wilbur. Don’t know if you’re married or not, but if you are, call your wife ‘crazy-eyed’ and ‘wide-eyed’ and let me know what her reaction is, ok. Actually, do it repeatedly and then show her ten photos of her that you might have taken over the years when your camera might’ve caught her when her eyes were expressive and most open at the time of the shutter-snap.

            How many men in your life have you called a ‘crazy-eyed banshee’?

            How many men has Oliver called ‘crazy-eyed’ and ‘wide-eyed’?

            And do you really think there is some sort of correlation between a photo-capture of someone with their eyes wide open at that precise moment and whether or not that proves them to be a ‘crazy-eyed banshee’?

            Seriously, Wilbur, what is it with you guys and your zealotry toward racism, misogyny and bigotry on this blog, but no disregard for it when you practice it? You won’t even say “Hey, fair is fair, right?”, you just flat-out deny you do it at all.

          • Wilbur

            How many men in your life have you called a ‘crazy-eyed banshee’?

            Probably none, but I might well have called Marty Feldman a google-eyed motherfucker.

            You’re fooling no one, Dennis. Nobody believes you give a screw about misogyny unless you think you can nail a liberal on it. It is fun to push your buttons and watch you squeal, though.

          • Wilbur

            Oh no, I just read in his bio that Marty Feldman was of Jewish ancestry. I’m an anti-semite too!

          • Plunket

            Feldman had Graves disease and had an operation that left his eyes in that condition, WIlbur. Oliver didn’t call Malkin ‘google-eyed’ either, he repeatedly called her ‘crazy-eyed’ and ‘wide-eyed’.

            It’s not yours or Oliver’s, db’s, Marco’s or enlightened’s misogyny, racism or bigotry that I’m looking to nail you on, WIlbur. It’s your hypocrisy about it all. And your willful blindness to it when you engage in it.

            It’s especially funny coming from a hive-minded group who considers themselves proud members of the reality-based community.

          • Wilbur

            It’s your hypocrisy about it all.

            Which, of course pales in comparison to the hypocrisy and hackitude of a staunch defender of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk posing as a champion for women, minorities and sufferers of Graves’ disease.

            Time for you to take another Midol Dennis.

    • Zython

      Yet another ‘Gosh, those Asian women and their crazy eyes’ photo on OW.com.

      You would need a 2nd Asian woman for that to even be technically true.

  • db

    Agree completely with Christopher. We have not yet seen the untold millions (billions?) the Republicans have to spend.

    Still Oliver, I’m not sure anything they’ve thrown at President Obama is worse than the stuff thrown at the Clintons. Remember Hillary supposedly murdered Vince Foster. President Obama, so far, is accused of supporting the Mau Mau rebellion.

    President Roosevelt was a communist/socialist who engaged in “class warfare”. In fact I’m having fun noting the attacks & seeing if I can delete FDR & insert Obama & see if anyone notices.

    Though I’ll give you, the Republicans may come up with even more outlandish claims. Rush Limbaugh is in the same boat as Glenn Beck. They have to come up with new materiel to keep their audience. The outrage has to be stoked. They’ve got to come up with new charges/plots/conspiracies.

  • Christopher Foxx

    I wouldn’t be quite so quick to go for the popcorn. Yes, it will be entertaining. But complacency isn’t a good position to take.

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