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Limbaugh Uncovers Obama’s Diabolical Plan

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Rush Limbaugh has uncovered Barack Obama’s diabolical plan to beat Mitt Romney and win the presidential election. In his national broadcast today, Limbaugh revealed — my God — Obama’s plan to uncover things about his opponent. And release them. Openly!

Listen to the audio here.

We must prevent this politician from doing what politicians have always done since the invention of politics. He’s also black.

  • Zython

    Justanotherdumbass:

    “He didn’t mean what he said, he meant what I want you to think he said.”

    So that’s a “no” to my previous question, then.

    It’s a wonder that it took you 35 years to get an associates degree.

    The difference between a poll of mostly Democrats that favors Obama – what you call “reality” – and Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day is that real people got up and went to Chick-Fil-A. They spent money there.
    Those people are more likely to vote than people who got a phone call, or a mailing.

    You have absolutely no idea how polling work, do you? Do you gauge the economy by how many people are at the mall? On second thought, don’t answer that.

  • SaveFarris

    Limbaugh!
    Racism!
    Romney’s Taxes!
    Dog Whistles!

    Throwing anything and everything at the wall to avoid talking about Obama’s record as President. Just keep ignoring reality and comfort yourself with those D+19 polls that show Obama in the lead.

    It’ll just make November that much more Schadenfreudealicious.

    • M2

      Yes, we know you’re against talking about the Republican candidate and the right’s actions regarding any topic, Farris. You don’t have to repeat it a thousand times.

      Mitt is an embarrassment. We know.

  • M2

    Yes he has you dolt.

    http://thedailybanter.com/2011/04/rush-limbaugh-is-racist-here-are-45-examples/

    Oh yeah, Hitler was a racist and fire is hot in case no one has reminded you of those fun facts in the last few minutes. Hate for you to hurt yourself at the stove.

    • Plunket

      That’s no more proof than his claim that Joe Biden is a racist. Or his claim that Bill Clinton is a racist. Or his claim that Hillary Clinton is a racist. Or his claim that Geraldine Ferrarro was a racist.

      The list goes on forever, M2. He doesn’t prove shit when he makes claims to just about everyone who criticizes Obama is a racist, and neither do you. And you’re incapable of making any connection whatsoever here race with this brief audio clip of Limbaugh discussing Coulter’s piece about Axelrod and Obama’s scummy tactic of using private records in every single one of their election races.

      Oliver is as wrong as wrong can be to claim that every politician has done this since the invention of time. So using this false premise to claim it’s because of racism is dishonest and deplorable. And you’re here backing up this sleaziness by essentially saying ‘well, it’s not like Limbaugh hasn’t said racist things before’.

      Talk about pitiful arguments, M2.

      • M2

        Right, there’s no proof there. Forty six examples. No proof. You are truly a lying, fucking idiot. You very well might be Dennis after all.

        • Plunket

          No, it’s not proof. It’s your opinion that those words make him a racist, and they’re opinions only. Just like when Oliver thinks he proved that Biden is a racist, and Hillary is a racist, and Bill Clinton is a racist. And he proved that Reverend Wright is not a racist…..these are all his opinions. And your opinions. It’s not proof.

          Your comparing those words to a guy who was directly responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews is your way of showing “proof”, and it shows the unseriousness of your accusation that you have to resort to playing the Hitler card. You use that because you have no defense for Oliver using deception in order to play the race card here.

          You’re the lying, fucking idiot, Merl.

          • M2

            Worst detective in the world part 267 – I am not merl whoever the hell that is.

            If you can pass up 46 examples of Rush racism and call it opinion, there is one liar between the two of us and it ain’t me. You must have a lot of EIB soap on a rope stock or welcome matts or something to be so protective over a racist , lying tub of goo/leader of your party.
            Really, what is your investment in this proven lying racist?

            And of course you think making fun of your stupidity via Hitler is an unserious attack on your closet case, proving you are indeed Dennis aka the dumbest person on the internet next to Jim Hoft.

            Close race to the stupid though. You really give good dumb.

          • Plunket

            M2, you can’t correlate what Rush said about Obama’s long record of getting private records unsealed with racism. You’re too inarticulate to and you know that if you’d try, you’d look even stupider. And you know Oliver used deception in posting a clipped-off sound-bite in order to have the excuse to call it racism, yet you still defend him. When asked to prove the racism here, you post a list. When Oliver is asked to prove Limbaugh is a racist, he does the same thing. You’re both two guys who have a vested interest in calling other people racists, and you both do it without evidence, and you both are not above making thinks up in order to do it. You’re both bomb-throwers. Neither one of you has an ounce of credibility when it comes to race.

          • M2

            Forty-six examples as evidence. You ignore each and every one. The clipped-off soundbite attack is hilarious in light of your “you didn’t build that” attack of last week. Hilarious, indeed.

            You’ve got 46 examples to work with again, Dennis. Try to disprove a few or crawl back to the dead Breitbart School of Hackery and stay there. You are a monumental embarrassment.

          • Plunket

            46 examples as evidence. Zero examples as proof.

            Face it, M2, you can’t articulate how any of them prove racism.

            As to the Obama “You didn’t build that” quote, I provided the context. I argued it with Wilbur that it still didn’t change what he said, the context didn’t make his quote any less revealing. After I provided the context at your request, you backed away from the argument. Now you’re backing away cowardly demurring from explaining how what Limbaugh said about Obama’s habit of getting private records unsealed in every one of his elections is somehow racist to talk about.

            You’re perfectly fine with deception of audio soundbites when Oliver does it to a conservative, aren’t you? Fine, but then why the 3 week whinefest about the Obama quote?

            Pretty simple question. It’s not like I asked you to explain what liberal tolerance really means, you know.

          • M2

            “46 examples as evidence. Zero examples as proof.” Phlunket

            Right, because saying racist shit is somehow, in your bizarro reality, not an indicator of whether someone is a racist or not.

            “As to the Obama “You didn’t build that” quote, I provided the context.” Phlunket

            No, actually you first argued that the quote wasn’t out of context at all. Remember? Then when Romney could not keep lying about the context of the President’s quote any longer, he back-peddled his lame attack to “it’s even worse in context” and you followed right along. Dance little monkey, dance. It’s all there for anyone to read.

            “I argued it with Wilbur that it still didn’t change what he said, the context didn’t make his quote any less revealing.” — Phlunket

            Still lying, but it’s okay. You weren’t corrected yet.

            “After I provided the context at your request, you backed away from the argument. Now you’re backing away cowardly demurring from explaining how what Limbaugh said about Obama’s habit of getting private records unsealed in every one of his elections is somehow racist to talk about.” — Phlunket

            Whoa, whoa, whoa. um, no one is afraid of you. No one. No one is backing off or away from anything, certainly not me. I’ve seen scarier house cats. Surrender the fantasy, He-man.

            “You’re perfectly fine with deception of audio soundbites when Oliver does it to a conservative, aren’t you? Fine, but then why the 3 week whinefest about the Obama quote?” —Phlunket

            Oliver served you 46 quotes. You’d think you’d be able to find one on his list that was taken out of context and twisted out of proportion by now. Nope.

            But now hilariously, you want Oliver to drop a 47th reason why Rush is a racist because you’ve read an Ann Coulter column (Really? Fucking really?) and/or you really think Oliver said this one post made Limbaugh a racist. Am I right? You’ve got to be playing obtuse just to be an asshole. What other reason could there be unless you’re just a fake outrage queen? Which you are, but c’mon…

            “Pretty simple question. It’s not like I asked you to explain what liberal tolerance really means, you know.’ Phlunket

            Liberals will never be tolerant of lying right wing assholes easily led around by their noses, their tall, blond meth-smoking whores or their fibbing child-rapist radio hosts. Sorry buddy.

          • Plunket

            You’re still dancing, M2.

            Stop with the verbal diarrhea that says nothing and explain how this was racist.

            If you’re certain of it, it should be easy.

            Be bold, life’s too short to be afraid.

          • Plunket

            And M2, here, this should be easier for you since that one seems to have you so baffled….

            since Oliver has called everyone who ever ran against Obama a racist, why is it Obama is so comfortable hiring these racists, one his VP and one his SoS? Why was Obama so comfortable attending the church of a racist? And since you’re so convinced of Oliver’s proof of racism, why is it neither you nor he is at all uncomfortable with a racist as VP and a racist as the Secretary of State?

          • M2

            Yes, you ignore 46 instances of Limbaugh being racist but I am “dancing.” I need to explain them to you. An alleged adult.

            Please hack on to Hacksworth Manor in Hackingtonshire, Sir Hacksworth of Hackery.

          • Plunket

            M2, there’s probably well over 46 times over your lifetime that you’ve said stuff that was racist, or that many would consider racists. The fact is, both you and Oliver hate Limbaugh not because you think he’s a racist, but because he’s an influential conservative. You both have a clear agenda and you both love to exploit race to your liberal agenda. That list has not one thing to do with Oliver sitting in his office and listening to Limbaugh all day and then dishonestly clipping one sentence and posting the audio and then calling it racist. Not one thing.

            Again, I ask you, what is it about what Limbaugh said in that audio that’s racist?

            No Hitler, no MMfA hit-list, no hiding behind Oliver, just your words….how is it racist to note that Obama has relied on sealed records being uncovered in fully every one of his previous elections?

          • M2

            Oh lord, again Lord Hackworth, Oliver wasn’t saying the above post makes Rush a racist, but Rush is indeed a racist. Oliver has signed off with “and he’a also black” before.

            Again I wasn’t comparing your fat, lunatic closet case hero to Hitler. Hitler would have dropped his ass in a camp anyway, so why would I?

            Anything else Lord Hackworth? Care to prove how any of the 46 racist things Rush has said somehow makes him not racist? Care to answer for your lying about what you said regarding “context” in the previous thread I mentioned above? The one you began parroting Romney talking points after Mitt was called out for taking the President out of context?

            No, of course not. I am “dancing” for expecting you not to be a dope. Asking for you to explain your lies and take responsibility for your words – I’m dancing.

            Let me tap out a few extra questions you won’t answer – just for laughs. Any of these racist to you?

            his “only chance of winning is that he’s jewish.”

            He “wouldn’t have been voted President if he wasn’t Jewish

            “Ching chong ching chong ching chong”

            Anything?

          • Plunket

            Anything

            Yeah, M2, sure. The first thing I’d like to tell you is that you’re mockery of overweight people is odious, bigoted, childish and intolerant. You’re the very opposite of what liberals like to think of themselves when they say they’re intolerant. Forget that Limbaugh managed to lose over 50 lbs. 3 years ago and has managed to keep it off, you mock all “fat” people as less than human, as ‘others’, as foul humans. Why the superiority? Why the condescension?

            You’re lying about Oliver not calling this audio clip an act of racism, it definitely was, whether he signs off with “he’s also black” frequently or not.

            Again, neither you nor Oliver nor MMfA has any credibility when it comes to calling out racism. When you ask me if this is racist “He “wouldn’t have been voted President if he wasn’t Jewish” comparing that to Limbaugh’s quote, you aren’t honest enough to acknowledge that Bill Clinton said essentially the same thing about Obama…A few years ago, this guy (Obama) would be getting us coffee.” And now Bill Clinton is being asked to deliver a keynote address at the DNC convention. You and Oliver are silent about someone you’ve accused of being racist being the keynote speaker. So you really don’t care when liberals make horribly racist comments unless you can use it to your political advantage. That’s all it ever was with you guys, a political tool. And it’s funny, at this blog it’s always mainly the white guys who show up to do the most yakking about it.

          • M2

            I really don’t care if I hurt Rush Limbaugh’s feelings, Dennis. He is a bigoted, poisonous racist asshole. Plus, he has so not kept the weight off. Have you seen him lately? He’s a hoagie shy of massive coronary failure and I for one cheer said hoagie on.
            I’m not lying about Oliver the audio clip either. It’s so obvious and obvious to all you’re just a petty, pointless wingnut who can’t deal with reality so you make up your own. You’re the perfect mirror for the right wing echo chamber and all of its ugliness and stupidity. The exception in your case is that they own you and you don’t even know it, or you like being their bitch and won’t admit it.
            Clinton’s remark was stupid and sounded pretty racist and he was called on it, but no one thinks Bill is a racist because he doesn’t engage in racist chatter with frequency and fervently so, like fat, fat Rush. Your lame attempts to equate the two are just that – lame. Transparent and boring, too.
            You just can’t admit one of your heroes, one whose teat you’ve suckled on for sweet, sweet right wing lies and idiocy, is a racist. You hate MMFA and Oliver and anyone who calling out your hero by using the actual words he says. Oh, we know getting quoted is the worst thing that could ever happen to a Republican, especially their big, fat white chunk of racist shit titular leader. We know. We’re not to hold you accountable for your words and actions. We know.
            Sorry, Den Den. Maybe Harry Reid will slam Romney about his taxes and you can get another faux rage boner today. I won’t be replying or even reading your taunt-laden response to this, but feel free to crap out your usual dishonest bullshit. It’s what you do.

          • M2

            Oh and I guess “ching chong ching chong” is only racist when Rosie O’Donnell does it.

            And now… done. Have at it.

        • Plunket

          M2, you’re saying some racists are better than others. Essentially, you’re saying it’s ok to be racist as long as you’re a liberal racist who’s involved in politics and in a very high position.

          Do you see why you and Oliver have no credibility on the subject whatsoever?

          And your deep prejudices against overweight people proves that you’re not really concerned about racism or bigotry at all. It’s just a false front. A shameful facade in order to feign outrage.

          • oi ly

            What a hacksaw!

          • M2

            ching chong ching chong

  • Plunket

    He’s already proven him a racist.

    No, Oliver hasn’t proven anything. Do you think he ‘proved’ Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were racists?

    Limbaugh has a pretty consistent track record of criticizing every Democratic president, if you hadn’t noticed.

  • Plunket

    There’s certainly none in this brief audio tape OW posted, M2, yet you’re charging racism. That’s irrational liberal logic, but one you resort to time after time. It’s boring.

    • M2

      He’s already proven him a racist. Do you need to be reminded Hitler was anti-Semitic every five minutes? No, his body of work speaks for itself.

      What a pitiful argument.

  • Plunket

    And we already know that you can’t can’t back up that charge, Oily. You can’t say how Limbaugh is using racism in this case or any case in this election or point to any said ‘racist outburst’ with any kind of definition other than calling it a dog whistle.

    If we’re mute about it, it’s because you’re mute about it.

    See, Oliver calls this racism in this thread, but doesn’t say why. Neither will you, nor thad, nor M2, you all just say because Rush is a racist. That’s cowardice, my friend. The sleaziest kind.

    • Wilbur

      Serious questions for you, Dennis: do you politicians sometimes use racial ‘dog whistles’? If so are some of those politicians on the republican/conservative side of things?

      • Wilbur

        Once again we have proof that the easiest way to shut Dennis up is to ask him to respond to a direct question.

        • M2

          I’d ask him how Mitt Romney vs Ted Kennedy is different than Harry Reid vs. Mitt Romney but his head might explode.

    • M2

      Yeah, there’s practically no evidence Rush is a racist, except for all the racist shit he’s said.

  • Zython

    Yes, the Media is just plugging away at their job of investigating one candidate’s background, and playing , and replaying , and replaying, and replaying , and replaying one candidate’s purported gaffes, even when they are not gaffes. And the mainstream is reporting every unsubstantiated accusation being made about one candidate.

    Yeah, let’s see what people who actually know what they’re talking about have to say…

    I have a serious question for any of you liberals who might possess the insight and the testicular fortitude to answer it:
    “Do you really think this “If you don’t like Obama, you’re a racist” bullsh*t is either helpful or productive; or do you just like pissing off the people who dislike Obama ? “

    If there were no ulterior motives for disliking the President, then surely they could express those issues without constantly lying?

    • Justanotherrighty

      Yeah, let’s see what people who actually know what they’re talking about have to say…
      The Pew Research Center leans to the left, but aside from that, there is this observation about Obama : Perhaps the coverage of his administration is negative, because there is no good news … The foreign policy news is bad; the domestic policy news is bad; the economic news is bad; his electoral chances are declining almost daily. If you call all that “negative coverage”, then the Obama administration has tons of it.
      Which brings me to your oh-so-familiar, and dumb assertion, that the only bad things people say about Obama are lies. Of course, this means that he does nothing wrong, and anyone who criticizes him is a lying racist. Even you couldn’t possibly believe that crap.

      • enlightened liberal

        Wow, just an amazing post. Not a single sentence in it is true.

        • Justanotherrighty

          Yes, E L , and your evidence disputing what i said is remarkable in its depth and breadth.

          • enlightened liberal

            I just have this rule about casting pearls before swine. You’ve shown amazing resistance to reason and logic in the past and I think that doing a line by line refutation of your “ideas” is not a particularly efficient use of my time.

          • Justanotherrighty

            I just have this rule …
            The “Reid argument” – no, really, it’s true , but it’s up to you to figure out why.
            In other words, you’re full of crap. If you have time to insult me, and curse at me, and “Fisk” me, you have time to say something about your utterly dismissive statement about my comment.
            When you guys are down to “You’re lying!” (see that, Zython?) you’re out of things to say.
            You know why we’re here? Precisely to demonstrate that you liberals have nothing to say…

          • Wilbur

            E.L. might move himself to more substance to his reply if there were any substance to your original post, Frank. All you say is basically a) an organization that disagrees with me if obviously biased and b) any bad coverage about a candidate I like is obviously slanted and any bad news about a candidate I don’t is obviously completely accurate. Both basically wordy ways of saying “Don’t bother me with facts and evidence!” So it’s kind of rich for you to be demanding more facts and evidence from your interlocutor.

      • oi ly

        I thought you fokes think the media is in the tank for Obama? Did you just say something to that effect less than a day ago in another thread. Sure the left leaning Pew Center should be in your skewed world view.

        • oi ly

          Intended surely, but surely that’s obvious.

      • Zython

        his electoral chances are declining almost daily

        Nope.

        Of course, this means that he does nothing wrong, and anyone who criticizes him is a lying racist.

        Nah, it’s just that the things he does wrong you guys don’t mention.

        • Wilbur

          Of course Frank was the one who was predicting that Obama would be in a mental hospital by the end of 2011. You’d think he’d have learned a bit of humility when it comes to political prognostication, but apparently not.

          • Justanotherrighty

            Yes, and you predicted that the Tea Party would have no influence in the 2010 election. And who says the people over at St Elizabeth’s haven’t made house calls? Or maybe Obama’s two mommies, Valerie and Michelle, are helping him keep it together.
            Please , Wilbur , make sure you not near anything flammable when you use the word “humility.”

          • Wilbur

            Did I really predict that? I have no memory of doing so. But even if I did, perhaps the fact that I was wrong on that occasion has lent me the humility to avoid making the sort of confident prediction of future races that you make here on a daily basis. I hope you come to a similar peace with your own limitations someday.

            I’ll refrain from asking what sort of fevered rightwing delusion lies behind this reference to ‘mommy Valerie’. It’s just too late at night.

      • Zython

        Obama comes out in favor of gay marriage, but Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day is a smashing success.

        We have a sitting PotUS supporting our position. All you guys have left is a chicken sandwich. You’re officially in the minority now. Deal with it. [/shades]

        Seriously – why do I even bother with you, Zython. You argue for its own sake, and you know nothing…

        Ok, let’s recap the conversation for those playing at home:

        Frank: Obama’s going to lose! His electoral chances are declining daily!

        Zython: Well, according to 538 polling, his chances have been consistently improving over the past 6 weeks.

        Frank: Who cares about those “polls” and “numbers”, I think he SHOULD be losing, therefore he is. Case in point, chicken sandwiches.

        And I’m the one who “knows nothing”?

        Oh, and to the idiot who said that Obama’s ill-conceived and ill-timed statement was “out of context” , please tell me the proper context…

        Well, that depends. Are you actually going to read/listen to the evidence and argue against it, or are you going to completely ignore it and make non-sequitur arguments, as you’ve done so far?

    • Justanotherrighty

      his electoral chances are declining almost daily
      Nope.

      New York Times forgets to mention that unemployment has increased – AGAIN !
      The number of jobs created is not enough to account for the population increase – AGAIN !
      Obama comes out in favor of gay marriage, but Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day is a smashing success.

      Yes, his prospects are just grand !

      Seriously – why do I even bother with you, Zython. You argue for its own sake, and you know nothing…

      Oh, and to the idiot who said that Obama’s ill-conceived and ill-timed statement was “out of context” , please tell me the proper context…

      • Wilbur

        Obama comes out in favor of gay marriage, but Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day is a smashing success.

        Aha, now I see what sort of tea leaves you’re reading to come up with your confident assertions of a Romney victory.

        Who needs polls and scientific surveys when you’ve got Frank’s gut to tell you everything you need to know?

        An textbook example of the relationship between reality and the reactionary mind.

        • Justanotherrighty

          The article that precedes a consonant is “a” , not “an”.
          The difference between a poll of mostly Democrats that favors Obama – what you call “reality” – and Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day is that real people got up and went to Chick-Fil-A. They spent money there.
          Those people are more likely to vote than people who got a phone call, or a mailing. That’s what I call reality, W-i-i-i-lbur !

          • Wilbur

            Accdg. to Wikipedia there are about 1600 Chick-fil-a stores in the us.

            I don’t know of any fact-based estimates of how many people participated in “buy a chicken sandwich for Jesus and fart a chicken fart in the face of the queers” day.

            Let’s say, extremely generously, that 1000 angry voting-age homophobes who wouldn’t otherwise have been going to Chick-fil-a that day went to every single Chick-fil-a.

            Multiply that by 1600 stores and you get 1.6 million. In an election of 100,000,000 or more voters, that’s a little over 1%. Small, but not negligible in a close election.

            But to gauge the impact of this event on the election you have to subtract…
            a) the number of people who would have voted anyway, and voted for Romney (which I suspect is a very large percentage of the number)
            b) the number of people who would have gladly voted for Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin, but who can’t stand Mitt Romney
            c) the number of people who get het up about the supposed oppression of the downtrodden Christian majority minority, but who still won’t get off their chicken-fat asses on election day and bother to vote.

            If you could measure all this accurately, I don’t know what the final estimate of the impact would be (neither do you), but the chances of it making a big difference are pretty miniscule.

            Look Frank, I know it makes you feel good to see long lines of people on your TV who hate Obama and gay marriage as much as you do, but don’t count on it being the front of a wave that will sweep all the gay atheist communists out of office.

            Me, I don’t know who’s going to win this election – Romney could well win – but if I want a sense of where the race is at I’ll stick to people like Nate Silver, who have an excellent record and who base their analysis on not just one poll and a bunch of anecdotes but on a number of scientific polls – including ones that the liberals say are slanted right and the conservatives say are slanted left.

      • Wilbur

        Oh, and to the idiot who said that Obama’s ill-conceived and ill-timed statement was “out of context” , please tell me the proper context…

        The proper context, which is absolutely obvious from the rest of his statement and from everything else he ever said, is that while individual initiative, hard work and entrepreneurship are absolutely essential, no man is an island. His statement was an challenge those who think they they owe nothing to society, that taxation is theft, etc. Of course, the republicans and their media catamites are trying to spin it as a chilling vision of a collectivist hive mind, which is, as one would expect from such reptiles, completely dishonest.

        Glad to clear that up for you.

        • Plunket

          Glad to clear that up for you.

          Cute, but you didn’t clear that up.

          You could clear it up by explaining in that fairyland, psychological apologia re-write of yours how the statement “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” fits in, WIlbur.

          Be honest. How does “You didn’t build that, somebody else made that happen” fit in with “no man is an island”, something no businessman I know ever fails to acknowledge or argues against? If you were trying to get the point across to a business owner that no one builds their business entirely on their own, something no one is claiming in this argument, why would you need to tell then that that they didn’t build it, that somebody else did? Why does that need to be said, other than to take business-owners down a notch while getting the crowd he was speaking to cheering for him by making it an ‘us versus them’ demonization?

          • Wilbur

            Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

            (emphasis added).

            I’ll be the first to say that Obama could have been way more careful about leaving himself open to hostile distortion. The issue is the the antecedent of the pronoun “that”. Is it “business”? or “roads and bridges”? Without context one could be forgiven for thinking that it was “business”. In the context of the whole passage, and in the context of what Obama has consistently said as long as he’s been speaking publicly, there is no question that it was “roads and bridges” This is confirmed in the very next phrase when he goes on to talk about the internet, which falls under the category of infrastructure rather then “business”, and at the beginning of the very next paragraph of his remarks.

            The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.

            (emphasis added).

            And to show that this is consistent with Obama’s though in general, here is a passage from his 2011 SotU (h/t factcheck.org)

            Our free enterprise system is what drives innovation. But because it’s not always profitable for companies to invest in basic research, throughout our history, our government has provided cutting-edge scientists and inventors with the support that they need

            Meanwhile, the only thing your reading is consistent with is the febrile wingnut caricature of Obama as some kind of cryptic hard-core Marxist. But let me ask you this. If Obama really believed that “nobody builds their own business”, do you think he would be stupid enough to actually admit that in public?

          • Plunket

            The issue is the the antecedent of the pronoun “that”. Is it “business”? or “roads and bridges”? Without context one could be forgiven for thinking that it was “business”.

            Even with context, Americans refer to ‘roads and bridges’ as ‘those’, not ‘that’.

            And we refer to someone’s business that they built as ‘that’.

            You’re struggling, Wilbur.

            You’re a toady and an apologist.

            If Obama really believed that “nobody builds their own business”, do you think he would be stupid enough to actually admit that in public?

            Off teleprompter, trying to rev up the crowd and getting them to agree with him the way he did in the video, sure he’d admit that. Why would he need to declare that business owners didn’t build the roads and bridges? What business owner that you know of ever made claim they build the roads and the bridges in addition to their business? Who needs the president of the United States to tell you that business owners aren’t the ones who build roads and bridges?

            Your supposition is ludicrous, both with and without context.

          • Wilbur

            Even with context, Americans refer to ‘roads and bridges’ as ‘those’, not ‘that’.

            So even speaking incautiously and ‘off teleprompter’, you won’t allow that Obama is capable of a trivial grammatical inconsistency?

            My interpretation of his remark is the one that is consistent with everything else he said in that very same speech, and in every other remark he’s made on the topic.

            Your interpretation is inconsistent with everything else he said in that very same speech and elsewhere.

            Ockham’s razor, Dennis, proves pretty conclusively that you are a deceitful hack.

            The fact that the republicans are basing their entire presidential strategy on that same deceitful interpretation shows that in reality they got nothin.

        • Justanotherrighty

          His statement was [a] challenge those who think they they owe nothing to society, that taxation is theft, etc.
          In other words, he was setting up another straw man to knock down.
          a) Strictly speaking, we acknowledge our debt to society when we obey its laws without coercion, and pay taxes in a timely manner
          b) Strictly speaking, taking my money, and spending it in ways you determine to be better than the ways I would choose, is misappropriation, not theft.
          Thanks for clearing that up for me.
          “He didn’t mean what he said, he meant what I want you to think he said.”

          • Wilbur

            So I take it from this you admit that what Obama meant to say is basically what I said it was, and are now taking issues with what I said he meant to say. That’s a good first step, Frank.

            Now, you’re just debating whether what he said (or rather my characterization of what he said) is valid.

            On the subject of straw men, I’m tempted to defer to your wisdom as past-master of the game of setting up straw men. But in this case, sorry, the straw won’t stick.

            You know perfectly well that there are people on the right who say that all taxation is theft, and that the threat of coercion is the only thing that makes us pay taxes, but I’ll admit that that’s a small and noxious minority.

            But the far more numerous targets of Obama’s rhetoric are those who think that there’s something un-american about spending more on our crumbling infrastructure, and about funding that spending, in part, by returning the federal tax rates on those who have profited most during the recent economic troubles to something closer to what they were fifteen years ago during one of the most prosperous times in our recent history.

  • Justanotherrighty

    I have a serious question for any of you liberals who might possess the insight and the testicular fortitude to answer it:
    “Do you really think this “If you don’t like Obama, you’re a racist” bullsh*t is either helpful or productive; or do you just like pissing off the people who dislike Obama ? “

    • oi ly

      But we already know that Rush is a racist and uses racism for political ends. We also know that most Republicans stay mute at Rush’s racists outbursts. In fact, they grab their ankles instead of calling him out.

    • enlightened liberal

      Boy Frankie, you sure are decimating those strawmen tonight!

    • Wilbur

      When has anyone ever said “if you don’t like Obama, you’re a racist.”? Hard to see how that’s a serious question, Frank. Try again.

      • Justanotherrighty

        You and your colleagues , and the commentators, and the entire staff of MSNBC say it almost daily …

        • Wilbur

          Specific example?

          • Justanotherrighty

            Too many to mention. But you could try the last sentence of Oliver’s post for starters …

          • Wilbur

            Well the last sentence of Oliver’s post doesn’t even come close to saying “if you don’t like Obama you’re a racist”. What it does come close to saying is “If you hold Obama to standards that you have not held other politicians to – even those you don’t like – then Obama’s race may play a role either in your own thinking or in what you expect your audience to be thinking.” Are you asking if that sort of statement is helpful or productive?

            In future, if you want to ask a serious question, try asking it straight, without the caricature.

          • Plunket

            Wrong, Wilbur, not all politicians have a modus operandi like Obama and Axelrod do of working to get private records unsealed in every single one of their election races.

            And there’s no ‘maybe’ in anyhing about Oliver’s baseless charge of racism. It’s also his modus operandi to charge racism against anyone who’s ever ran against Obama, including Joe Biden “a racist and an idiot” and Hillary “White Power” Clinton.

            You’re a shameless toady and apologist.

          • Wilbur

            And you’re a dishonest hack, Dennis. They way you lot piss and moan about Obama’s transcripts and college term papers, the decibel scale doesn’t go high enough to describe the cacophony of howls there would be from the right if Obama refused to make all but the last couple years of his tax records public.

  • Justanotherrighty

    Yes, the Media is just plugging away at their job of investigating one candidate’s background, and playing , and replaying , and replaying, and replaying , and replaying one candidate’s purported gaffes, even when they are not gaffes. And the mainstream is reporting every unsubstantiated accusation being made about one candidate.
    And that candidate is not black…

    • enlightened liberal

      “Yes, the Media is just plugging away at their job of investigating one candidate’s background, and playing , and replaying , and replaying, and replaying , and replaying one candidate’s purported gaffes, even when they are not gaffes.”

      Right on Frankie! All I’ve heard this week is about Obama’s statement, taken out of context, that business owners didn’t build their own businesses.

      “And the mainstream is reporting every unsubstantiated accusation being made about one candidate.”

      WHAR BIRF CERTIFUCAT WHAR

      “And that candidate is not black…”

      LOL WAT?
      Why must you be so stupid Frank?

      • Justanotherrighty

        Whatever you are on right now, will wear off. Get back to us when it does , OK ?

  • oi ly

    That’s lame Farris …

  • M2

    Wow, you and phlunkie sharing material now. Sad.

    Anyway, Limbaugh is a pill-popping closet case racist whose show appeals to the same. Can’t wait till those cigars and cream pies catch up to him.

  • SaveFarris

    When is Harry Reid going to address the rumors of his vast decades of Pederasty? Given these swirls of allegations, no wonder Mr. Reid hasn’t been able to perform the basic functions of his job like passing a budget.

    Prudence demands that Sen. Reid provide the proof that repudiates these charges. After all, “the word’s out.”

    • Wilbur

      Good point, Farris, but of course Romney hasn’t offered any proof that he not a space alien who eats babies’ brains yet. Until he does, rumors will swirl.

  • Plunket

    He’s also black

    Gratuitous, obligatory, and just plain lazy. Limbaugh made no reference whatsoever to race. Not even the most paranoid of conspiratorialists could make that claim given what was said in this audio, even if he had to resort to couching it as a dog whistle.

    Obama’s Signature Move: Unsealing Private Records

    Mitt Romney presents one enormous problem for Barack Obama’s campaign: No divorce records. That’s why the media are so hot to get their hands on Romney’s tax records for the past 25 years. They need something to “pick through, distort and lie about” — as the Republican candidate says.

    Obama’s usual campaign method, used in 100 percent of his races, has been to pry into the private records of his opponents. ……..

    Obama and Axelrod are going to the well once again. And Dingy Harry was chosen to be the accomplice to make the weird accusation. A friend of a friend who said he heard a rumor that a Bain investor told him that Romney didn’t pay any taxes. Who was this guy? Harry won’t say. Sleazebag politics. Axelrod and Obama’s modus operandi.

    The color of any of their skins has nothing to do with it (not that it won’t use that as a defense).

    • thad

      You make an excellent point. Limbaugh has never made any sort of racist comments about Obama ever.

      • Plunket

        What kind of logic is that, thad?

        Obama and Axelrod have found a way to get private records unsealed in every race they’ve been in and Limbaugh points out that they’re doing it again now, with Harry Reid prostituting himself to help out. And somehow Oliver claims that’s racism. How, neither he nor you will say, since that would be too much of a strain to explain your reasoning.

        You guys see racism everywhere. You’re not even clever or judicious how you make the claims either, you just baselessly blurt them out on every thread. Truly the last refuge of the liberal scoundrel.

    • Wilbur

      Good catch, Dennis, you nailed Colter parroting Limbaugh! (or the other way around – can’t bring myself to care about which one has his/her/its nose in the other’s anus). Nice copypasta job too.

      • Plunket

        You’re still butth-hurt that Obama was given the benefit of the doubt for words he actually said when he said “you didn’t build that”. You re-write to to the way you think you think he was trying to say. You call someone dishonest for repeating his words, both the sentence and the full context, and claim it’s shameful to repeat those words of his because it isn’t what he meant to say. And you argue that his use of the word “that” doesn’t mean the singular “business” that he just referred to in his preceding sentence, but that it referred to the plural “roads and bridges”.

        So I provided the context for you, Wilbur. What Limbaugh was talking about, Coulter’s piece, that getting private records unsealed is Obama and Axelrod’s modus operandi in every single election they’ve been in, and this is what they’re doing again now, using the sleaziness of Harry Reid’s imaginary friend to make a false claim. A tactic liberals have forever decried, but now you think it’s ok and just normal politics.

        If you’re the man of character that you like to post examples of and pat yourself on the back for, then you’d have to admit that the sound bite Oliver posted in order to call Rush a racist for saying it is morally and factually dishonest.

        Here’s the full transcript. The full context. Defend Oliver’s sound-bite depiction of this (getting unsealed records to eliminate a rival politician in a race) as something every politician has done since the invention of politics, and then explain how it’s racist to say that about Obama.

  • Christopher Foxx

    Limbaugh is just shocked, shocked! to see a candidate “find dirt on opponents or make it up”.

    (I’d call it blatant hypocrisy, except Limbaugh knows exactly what he’s doing.)

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