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Jennifer Rubin, Conspiracy Theorist For Team Romney

By Oliver Willis · July 16,2012

The Washington Post just doesn’t have good luck with hosting conservative bloggers. Their first hire, Ben Domenech, turned out to be a serial plagiarist. Now they’ve had Jennifer Rubin on board and she is such a Romney apologist she makes Hugh Hewitt seem skeptical and he wrote a book about Romney being president!

Today Rubin explains to her readers just what has really been going on in American politics the last few months:

The Obama team knew months ago that the economy would not sufficiently improve before Election Day to justify his reelection. Its polling showed simply blaming President George W. Bush wouldn’t be sufficient. The president and his political hacks concluded that it was too late and too risky to adopt a whole new second-term agenda. (It would risk offending either the base or centrists and reveal his first-term agenda to have been entirely inadequate.) So what to do?

Extend the Republican primary by running ads hitting Romney and encouraging Democrats to vote against Romney in Michigan and elsewhere. Then, before Romney could fully get his bearings, unload a barrage of negative attacks, scare mongering and thinly disguised oppo attacks through the mainstream media, taking advantage of many political reporters’ relative ignorance about the private equity field and their inclination to accept whole-hog President Obama’s version of “facts.”

Right now, Mitt Romney is failing at getting elected President. It is solely his own fault. His inability to close the deal for months during the Republican primary was nobody else’s fault but his own. It wasn’t Obama ads that caused GOP primary voters to prefer Donald Trump, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum over her disingenuous flip flopper of a candidate. He did that on his own.

Now, the Obama campaign is focused on the contradictory storytelling at the heart of Mitt Romney. They are doing so because that’s what it takes to win an election. Obama’s attacks on Romney are working because Romney can’t keep his stories straight. Romney is so used to making up tall tales and having people like Rubin the media regurgitate for him, that he honestly doesn’t know what to do right now.

All the Jennifer Rubin conspiracy theories in the world won’t change that.

oi ly

The ad never made fun of her MS. They never apologized for making fun of her MS because they didn’t make fun of her MS. That’s why they didn’t apologize for making fun of her MS. Pinky said they apologized for making fun of her disability. They never said that because they never did that.
oi ly

“That’s why the DSCC apologized and said there’d be no more making fun of her disability.”

They never said that -

“Our use of the Romneys’ dressage horse was not meant to offend Mrs. Romney in any way, and we regret it if it did,” DNC spokesman Brad Woodhouse told ABC News. “We were simply making a point about Gov. Romney’s failure to give straight answers on a variety of issues in this race. We have no plans to invoke the horse any further, to avoid misinterpretation.”
- Justanotherrighty
  
  So, in other words, they didn’t see it as offensive, but were offering a conditional apology: In the (unlikely) event you were offended, then we apologize.
  Where have I heard that before ?
  From nearly every liberal apologizing for being a heartless scumbag since about 1965 …
  - Wilbur
    
    The ‘non apology apology’ belongs to no political party. Typical of Frank to only hear it when it comes from liberals. Sort of like a dog whistle!
Zython

Plunket, could you try not being a turd for once in your life? I apologized to those I hurt with my comment out of the goodness of my heart. If no one was hurt, then all the better. I’m not going to apologize to you for three reasons.

1. You were not hurt by my comment, so I have not wronged you.

2. You don’t care about those that would be hurt to begin with.

3. You would just deny the apology, so that you can demand it later.

So to tie this to the topic at hand, do you really care about people with MS, or is this another cynical ploy to attempt to claim the high ground without actually standing for something?
- Justanotherrighty
  
  Shorter Zython: I see my previous douchebag statement, and raise you three douchebag statements …
  - Zython
    
    Clearly, it’s douchy of me to not apologize to someone who, by their own admission, was not offended by my statements.
    
    Then again, I shouldn’t be surprised by someone who considers dry wit a negative quality. Guess it’s just too hard for conservatives to follow compared to being a boistrous asshole.
    - Justanotherrighty
      
      “Dry wit” is not the same as “look at me; I’m a wise ass!” You are overestimating yourself – as usual.
Wilbur

Lots of people ride horses for MS, Dentist, nobody’s making fun of that. But, not every MS patient (non-MS-patient, for that matter) can afford to buy their own olympic-gauge dressage horse. That, poor Dentist, is fair game.

It really is quite amusing to see you and Frank trying to act like you care about sexism, people with disabilities, etc. With every post you prove how morally obtuse and illiterate you are.
- db
  
  Wil,
  
  & shoot that horse so full of pain-killers so as to be able to sell the horse to an unsuspecting Buyer & have to settle the resultant suit for $75 grand.
- Justanotherrighty
  
  Wilbur: You’re not just a liar; you’re a phony. Do you think you can just say anything about people , because it makes you feel better about yourself? Who do you think you are? Mambochicken or Dark Avenger?
  You’re a classless bloviator who pretends to be a superior person. No more and no less.
  - Wilbur
    
    I take it you disagree with what I said above? Maybe you’d like to state some reason why. That’s what people do when they’re discussing a topic and don’t want to look like a giant bag full of nothing but flatulence.
- Plunket
  
  But, not every MS patient (non-MS-patient, for that matter) can afford to buy their own olympic-gauge dressage horse. That, poor Dentist, is fair game.
  
  And you point is what, WIlbur. The cost of that horse isn’t a half a percentage of their total net worth. If it helps her, if it’s therapeutic to her, if she’s passionate about it, and they have the resources, should they forgo that option because it doesn’t look right to someone like you? If you had a shit-ton of dough and a wife with MS and you thought a hobby like that would help her and she was passionate about it, would you deny that to her because of how it might look to someone who couldn’t affort it? Keeping in mind he not only has a shit-ton of money, but he also gives away a shit-ton.
  
  Not making fun of her MS? I think you are. And it’s not being done by the Romney camp toward Michelle Obama, either. justy’s right, Wilbur. Classless. Fair game, debatable. But classless? Yeah, definitely.
  
  Shameful, too.
Plunket

I’m getting the impression you’re not all that big a fan of the Maha-Rushi, Defender of Motherhood, Doctor of Democracy, Titular Head of the Remains of the Republican Party, our country’s guiding light whose talent is on loan from God and whose views expressed on his program are documented to be almost always right 99.6% of the time, and all-around nice guy, Wilburn. That saddens me.

She bought the horse for therapy for her MS, Wilbur, you dolt. So yes, M2 is making fun of her for her MS.

That’s why the DSCC apologized and said there’d be no more making fun of her disability.

You’ll defend anything a liberal says, won’t you?
Plunket

And I said, I’ll take your word for it. Do you know what that means or are we to add that to the heap of shit you just don’t understand?

Yeah, burn, I understand, it’s just that in your same message that you said you’d take my word for it, you also repeated the falsehood, so it pretty much tells me you’re not taking my word for it, or that you knew she didn’t say it to begin with but what the heck, it’s fun floating bullshit around to see where it goes. Standard liberal behavior on the nutroots.

it’s unbecoming of you to make fun of someone with something as debilitating as Multiple Sclerosis. I guess you’ll have fun with it as long as you can, then deny you’re making fun of her, and then, who knows, maybe like Zython you’ll apologize to no one in particular and be lauded by the rest of the goons here.
- Justanotherrighty
  
  He’s not making fun of someone with MS, Plunket. Ask Wilbur. He’s just being careless. In other words, he couldn’t care less If Ann Romney rides a horse for therapeutic reasons.
  - Wilbur
    
    Making fun of someone who happens to have MS is not the same as making fun of someone for their MS. If you want to see what really making fun of someone with disabilities is like, I direct you once again to the spiritual godfather of American conservatism.
    - Justanotherrighty
      
      He is not mocking Michael J. Fox, he is criticizing him for exaggerating his symptoms. Even if Michael J Fox was not exaggerating , Limbaugh was not mocking him…
      And what on earth does the “Spiritual Godfather of American conservatism” mean, anyway ?
      
      Tote that barge !
      Lift that bale !
      Split that hair !
- M2
  
  Right, because that’s what I am doing. Making fun of her MS. Not the Romneys having nothing in common with the average American other than sharing the same air. No, I was making fun of her MS.
  
  Don’t you ever get bored being purposely outraged? Obvious and boring.
  
  Also. Take your word for it = I trust you are correct. Do you understand that? That’s what it means.
  
  You and justy – fucking idiots. Oh no, did I am making fun of the idiot community.
M2

HA. Considering you refuse – flat out refuse – to quote the president accurately so you and your clowns can attack him, you calling me dishonest carries about as much weight as a fart in heaven.

And I said, I’ll take your word for it. Do you know what that means or are we to add that to the heap of shit you just don’t understand?

Ann is a regular girl who struggled on her husband’s inherited stock portfolio to raise 5 kids SURELY without help and who would one day bring a dancing Seabiscuit to the Olympics. Every little girl in Nebraska can relate. LOL.
Plunket

You’re just as dishonest as Zython is, M2. She clearly did not say “You people”, as ABC verifies. You know that, but because some clown from HuffPo reports it, you regurgitate it.

M2/burn = desperate, dishonest tin foil hat-wearing conspiracy theorist.

Just a regular girl with multiple sclerosis, for which the DSCC apologized for shamelessly exploiting. As well-rounded as you are reading all sorts of sources to form your objective opinions, I’m surprised you missed that one.
M2

What, that Ann said You People?

Um, sounds like You People to me. But I’ll take your word for it. She’s just a regular girl with a dressage horse.
- Justanotherrighty
  
  Four percent of U.S. households own a horse, with three percent boarding their horses at stables.
  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Americans_own_horses#ixzz21AzeKF2o
  Those filthy rich Republican bastiges !
- oi ly
  
  Giddy up. Let them eat CDS!
M2

Oh, you people!
- Plunket
  
  Already debunked by ABC, M2. Too bad for you.
  
  And you were so hopeful, too. Giddy, almost.
Zython

Looks like Romney’s palin’ around with rapists.
- enlightened liberal
  
  It will be ok, the women gave retroactive consent.
enlightened liberal

Meanwhile, Romney fundraiser and friend charged with four rapes.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/utah_republican_greg_peterson_accused_rape.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
- Justanotherrighty
  
  I would like to point out that there were several paragraphs in the story where it was not mentioned that he was a Republican.
  And, oh, yeah, that story has gotten a tremendous amount of coverage, because he’s so famous and influential.
Zython

Upon further reflection, I feel I should apologize for my “Midol” comment. It was an insensitive and foolish comment to make, and I apologize to any and all offended parties for my crass remark.
- db
  
  Classy act Zython.
  
  When was the last time you saw any of out resident Trolls apologize for any of their comments?
  - Wilbur
    
    Well there is the standard wingnut apology for their racist/sexist/bonehead comments, ‘I’m sorry if you’re so f*in’ sensitive that you misinterpreted my remark and got offended.’
    - Plunket
      
      Since you made it plural, I’m sure you’ll have no problems recalling one or two particularly racist or sexist comments that any of us made that caused you a great deal of butt-hurt, Wilburn, even if it’s just from memory.
      
      Let us know, please.
  - Plunket
    
    dweebee, he’s been anything but classy, and there are no women who post or lurk here for him to apologize to. None of you guys were offended and none of you guys even thought there was anything wrong with it. Hell, I wasn’t offended, I just told him he was a sexist creep who jumps at the opportunity to play the race card and then immediately makes an offensive slur against women without realizing that he even did it. Justanotherrighty called it, liberals are completely unaware of their own sexist and racist tendencies. When you point it out to them, they go immediately into denial mode. You and Wilburn sloughed it off. It was all pretty typical. Then he apologizes to no one, and you want to pretend to canonize him just so you can exploit it by baiting any conservatives who post here into apologizing for any remarks that you can’t even identify. Seriously, db, did that naive, little Eddie Haskell act you play help you get laid one time or something?
    - db
      
      Gee Phlunk,
      
      You weren’t offended; you just decided to raise a huge stink about it?
      
      You admit that our good buddy Z didn’t realize his comment could be construed as sexist? And yet you’re all over him?
      
      I don’t see myself as Eddie Haskell. Eddie started all the trouble & then weaseled his way out of it. I see myself as Elwood C. Dowd; though without the money.
      - Plunket
        
        You weren’t offended; you just decided to raise a huge stink about it?
        
        I’m never surprised by anything libs say, dweebie, so no, can’t say I was offended at all.
        
        I mean, were you? Was anyone? Seriously, who do you think Z was apologizing to that you felt compelled to call him classy?
  - Justanotherrighty
    
    That’s pretty harsh, eh, db ? Resident trolls ? Apologize for their comments?
    That’s a lot of history you’re rewriting here.
    - oi ly
      
      Plunket – “I’m never surprised by anything libs say, dweebie, so no, can’t say I was offended at all.”
      
      Hey Pinky, there’s a big difference between taking offense at a comment and not being surprised that it was uttered. One can be offended at a comment and not surprised that it was uttered. But you’re neither offended or surprised in which case you’re a douche bag for pretending to be offended but not surprised.
Zython

And incidentally, Zython, since you claim you always back up everything you say, try backing up the idea that Conservatism / Republicanism = racism.

Is that what’s been bothering you? Silly Justy, why didn’t you ask sooner?

And honestly Plunket, you should be thanking me. Being angry is the only thing that gives your life meaning. Consider my comment an early Christmas present.

Pretty obvious you spend all your time either at school or on your World of Warcraft game forums to the point you have no idea why women might find your sexist comments repulsive. None of the kids you spend all your time with would ever tell you that. And obviously neither would any of your liberal buddies.

This is kinda what I was talking about. If making shit up about my life makes you more comfortable with yelling at clouds, then that’s fine by me. I mean, I’m not going to reveal personal information just to correct ad hominem attacks from some random jackass with a chip on his shoulder.
- Justanotherrighty
  
  Zython: I repeat : Of course, unproven , undocumented accusations by others don’t count. Your left wing bloggers won’t save you now. There is absolutely NO evidence that birthers are racists. Considering that the whole question arose in the Clinton camp during the primaries, you’ll have to look elsewhere to connect Republicans / Conservatives to racism.
oi ly

Good video Wilbur. Thanks for posting it. Is there a compilation kicking around of his racist slurs?
- Wilbur
  
  I think so oi, but I don’t have the link to hand. If you don’t feel like googling you could just ask Dennis. I’m sure he’s got the URL memorized.
  - Plunket
    
    Oily/indeed has everything ever recorded by MMfA on Limbaugh on his hard-drive, Wilburn. He’d just rather have you post it than him. He’s playing you.
    - Wilbur
      
      Tacit admission accepted, Dennis.
      - Plunket
        
        Been there done that, Wilburn. You guys can’t come up with any concrete reason why you say Limbaugh is a racist, so every time the challenge is made, someone invariably links to MMfA. Then they link to Fair.org claiming they have an anonymous source they’re in contact with who claims he heard Limbaugh make a racist comment 40 years ago on the radio when he was in his 20′s, of which MMfA does not list because they can’t verify it. Oily/indeed won’t link to either one because he wants to remain a creepy lurker who doesn’t want his previous nyms revealed.
        
        Oily was the perfect nym for him this time, and I think he deserves a hearty round of applause for his choice.
      - Wilbur
        
        Knew you’d have the links, Dentist. And once again you’re using the ‘everybody links to the same evidence so it must be some kind of bogus groupthink’ gambit. Could be that everybody links to the same evidence because that’s where you’ll find actual evidence.
        
        I don’t know what’s on those sites, but I’ve heard enough Limbaugh to know he’s a hard-boiled racist. Not a ‘them colored boys better stay away from our white womenfolk” type of racist, but a ‘no black person (except the ones obsequious enough to be republicans) ever achieved anything without government handouts, affirmative action, black-on-black cronyism and a generous helping of liberal white guilt’ type of racist. Witness his remarks on Donovan McNabb, ‘Barack the Magic Negro’, Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama (‘this is all about race!’), and just about anything he says about Obama, his wife, his children, and any minority who voted for him.’
Plunket

Convenient charge? What are you talking about, Wilbur? In the same idiotic post that career student Zython said this: “Sorry my article doesn’t have enough racial slurs as you would have liked.”, he also said this “Take a Midol and call me in the morning.”

So, convenient? I hardly think so. I’m calling him out first for being a completely unaware buffoon for not even knowing he made a sexist remark in the same post he’s calling someone else a racist, and for being a sexist asshole second. That’s not convenience. That’s proving to someone how much of a clueless idiot they are using their own words as Exhibit A.

If you’re bothered by Limbaugh’s comments, still, months after the fact, to the weird point that you’d somehow expect us to call him out now, months after the fact, then why are you too cowardly to call out Zython for what he is, a sexist a-hole?
- Wilbur
  
  If you’re bothered by Limbaugh’s comments, still, months after the fact, to the weird point that you’d somehow expect us to call him out now, months after the fact, then why are you too cowardly to call out Zython for what he is, a sexist a-hole?
  
  I don’t expect you to call him out now, Dennis, but I would have expected you to do at the time, if you were seriously concerned about sexism. This is something – as far as I know – that you did not do. Of course, unlike you, I do not obsessively and creepily concern myself with what ow.com posters are doing when they are not posting on ow.com, so I could be wrong about that. I assume you’ll either produce evidence that you did speak out on the Limbaugh issue (or, to be nice, I’d accept any evidence that you have ever criticized any right-of-center person for their sexist language), or admit, tacitly or explicitly that (as I said) you don’t give a shit about sexism unless you think you pull a gotcha on liberal ‘hypocrisy’.
  
  One mildly misogynistic statement does not make one a sexist a-hole in my book, Dennis. Seventy virulently misogynistic statements do.
Zython

Don’t particularly care what you guys think my personal life is like. Especially from people who make up any reason they can to be angry. I’ll continue to be snarky here, thank you very much. Sure beats throwing temper tantrums.
- Plunket
  
  Don’t particularly care what you guys think my personal life is like.
  
  Pretty obvious you spend all your time either at school or on your World of Warcraft game forums to the point you have no idea why women might find your sexist comments repulsive. None of the kids you spend all your time with would ever tell you that. And obviously neither would any of your liberal buddies.
  
  In a weird way, it’s not really your fault, it’s just that you’ve cocooned yourself.
- Justanotherrighty
  
  You do realize that being “snarky” is a negative quality, and you should take no pride in possessing it, right?
  And you do realize that two wrongs don’t make a right (especially when you are equating your false assessment of wrong “A” with your own, accurate assessment of your own wrong “B”), don’t you?
- Justanotherrighty
  
  On the other hand, there are people like you who might never use the ‘midol’ crack but would support that and other laws showing your contempt for women as a class.
  And then there are people like you who make multiple false accusations about people, and pretend they are arguing a point.
  If you want to debate a point and also insult me, could you at least be organized enough to separate the two, instead of mixing them together.
Justanotherrighty

Tylenol nothing, Zython, you’re a sexist pig and that’s a sexist comment.
When a conservative says a bad thing, it’s because they’re bad people. But when liberals say bad things, it’s because conservatives are bad people.

You think once you finally get to the real world you’re going to quit being a smart-ass, punk douche-bag?
Oh, he may, after he gets punched in the head a few times. Here’s another free valuable life lesson for you, Zython: Don’t think it’s easier to pick on little guys – they like to fight more than big guys.
- Wilbur
  
  When a conservative says a bad thing, it’s because they’re bad people. But when liberals say bad things, it’s because conservatives are bad people.
  
  Once again Dennis and Frank prove that they don’t give a toss about sexism unless it’s a convenient charge to hurl at a liberal.
  
  If they did give a toss about sexism they’d be going ballistic about the constant stream of sexist garbage that emanates from the icons of the right on a daily basis.
  - Justanotherrighty
    
    Wilbur, do you really think you can play that game on us ? The deal is that you liberals protect all the minorities from all the “isms.”
    It’s not hypocrisy for us, as far as you’re concerned, to point out your racism, sexism, elitism, etc. because you assure us that we are regular practitioners of those isms, and bad people because we do so.
    HOWEVER …
    It is hypocritical on your part to say stupid shit like “How dare you criticize us for being sexist and racist, when you’re being sexist and racist?”
    And that is why I repeat, “Liberals say that conservatives are racist and sexist and are bad people because of it,” while at the same time saying, “We can make racist and sexist remarks about conservatives, and it’s OK, because they are bad people.”
    And incidentally, Zython, since you claim you always back up everything you say, try backing up the idea that Conservatism / Republicanism = racism.
    Of course, unproven , undocumented accusations by others don’t count.
    - Wilbur
      
      Wilbur, do you really think you can play that game on us ? The deal is that you liberals protect all the minorities from all the “isms.”
      It’s not hypocrisy for us, as far as you’re concerned, to point out your racism, sexism, elitism, etc. because you assure us that we are regular practitioners of those isms, and bad people because we do so.
      
      Precisely my point, Frank. You don’t give a screw about sexism, but if you see a chance to slam a liberal about his or her “hypocrisy” on the issue then suddenly you a bigger feminist than Bella Abzug’s hat. That, my friend, is hypocrisy with knobs on. A substantially bigger hypocrisy than Zython casting off an occasional boilerplate jibe with mildly misogynistic undertones. Do we treat sexist statements from wingnuts differently from sexist statements by normal people? Yes, and with good reason. As an an analogy, if some random dude slips in a crowded taco bell and ends up with his face in the crotch of a nine-year-old boy, it’s unfortunate but not particularly sinister. If instead of a random dude it’s Jerry Sandusky, we would be more concerned, and appropriately so.
      
      To put it another way, when liberals make sexist statements its a matter of carelessness, when conservatives make sexist statements it’s a matter of policy. Neither are praiseworthy, but beyond that there’s no comparison.
      - Justanotherrighty
        
        when liberals make sexist statements its a matter of carelessness
        carelessness?!
        CARELESSNESS?!
        
        Even YOU don’t believe that!
      - Wilbur
        
        Frank, I didn’t want to run down a long list of reasons why non-misogynist liberals might make a misogynistic statement, but ‘carelessness’ seems to me to encompass a lot of those reasons.
        
        In the current case, for instance, I can’t read Zython’s mind but I can easily imagine him using the ‘midol’ jibe because it’s a popular jibe, without going through the thought process of ‘hmmmm…. let’s see, midol is a drug designed for women suffering from pms, and the pms-addled women is a stereotype sometimes used to denigrate women as a class, therefore perhaps I should choose some other witty way to say ‘chill out!’” Is ‘carelessness’ a bad word for that? What would you call it, Frank?
        
        Look, all of us have racial, sexual, classist, ethnic, geographic, etc. prejudices. Sometimes those prejudices come out in our speech despite ourselves, and sometimes we unthinkingly echo the prejudices that have been built into the thousand-year history of our language. Bottom line, though, is that there are those who, while they might occasionally say an offensive thing or two, would never support (for example) a law forcing women to get a vaginal ultrasound. On the other hand, there are people like you who might never use the ‘midol’ crack but would support that and other laws showing your contempt for women as a class. Which one is the real sexist and misogynist?
Plunket

So clearly, your measurements must be invalid

Not my measurement at all, it was CBS/NYT’s. See up above in my post where it says “CBS/NYT poll?

Of course you didn’t. Idiot.

And see, Zython, child, I told you my source, unlike you did when you said the unemployment number was below 8% without stating that your figure was from a source that no one uses when they say what the current unemployment rate is. If you had said “Per Gallup’s recent polling, their latest unemployment figure is 7.8%”, that would have been one thing, but that’s not what you said when you corrected Farris’ statement of the latest unemployment number from the BLS.

You were dishonest about it, and now when called out for your original lie, you act all defensive and butt-hurt, which is typical of your kid-stuff, whining self.
- db
  
  Dennis,
  
  Most of the reputable polls have the race being close. The Romney lead in the CBS/NYT poll is interesting. But at the same time I’d suggest that you not get too worked up over any single poll result. Polling is like a symphony. You can focus on the individual notes or you can hear what the entirety of the work gives you.
  
  I made some general predictions above with M2. Accept them or dispute them, but give evidence.
  
  Now personally I, beleive that there are several polling groups that are producing “polls” with the express purpose of driving the discourse. News agencies have little time or money to devote to details so it is relatively easy to produce a “poll” that says anything one wants. The headline then reads “Romney Wins in Poll” or “38% Think Obama Muslim” and the story gains a life of its own.
  - SaveFarris
    
    Now personally I, beleive that there are several polling groups that are producing “polls” with the express purpose of driving the discourse.
    
    On that, you and I are in complete agreement.
    
    Groups are using samples ranging from D+6 to D+11. Of Registered (not Likely) voters. Heck, a couple of groups are still using just Adults. And suprise suprise: Obama is still within the margin of error.
    
    Noone DARE use a Likely voter model or make the party ID split closer to reality. Because if they do…
  - Plunket
    
    My point is that Jennifer Rubin’s article was correct. Oliver called it conspiracy theory and posted a picture of a dude with a tin-foil hat. After a week or two of what liberals think has been favorable for Obama, this poll indicates the race to be as tight as ever, and that people are still unconvinced that Obama is ineffective in his economic abilities. This poll indicates why it’s so important for Obama to focus on anything besides the economy. And that’s no conspiracy theory at all.
    - Plunket
      
      See, db, unlike you I actually read the blog post here. I’m not getting worked up by one poll, but regardless, Oliver did write this…..”Right now, Mitt Romney is failing at getting elected President.”. Given your admission that the polls are very close, could you explain what he meant by that, and how it’s a conspiracy theory point tot the very real fact that Obama wants the national narrative to be about anything other than the economy right now?
      - db
        
        Good God in Heaven Phlunk; how you do live to your name.
        
        “Romney is failing at getting elected President”
        Polls are close (usually showing a slight Romney deficit and/or major shortages in the Electoral Vote Dept; but no matter)
        i.e. Romney isn’t winning. i.e. he doesn’t have the kind of lead that you’d expect if he were nearly as good a candidate as you believe or the economy is as in a big a mess as you’d want.
        
        Thus he’s failing at getting elected.
        
        QED
        
        (Talk about Phlunking Logic 101)
        
        Farris,
        
        We can certainly debate the merits of the various polling organizations & the weighting of the sample is important. But these matter only if you are looking at the results of any one given poll. If those factors remain stable over a series of polls; then you get a trend over time which will be of more use. If you want more information about thespecifics of any poll, 538.com, pollster.com, & electionprojection.com are all good sites.
        
        Forgive the Zen, but looking at a drop of water tells us little about the river.
      - SaveFarris
        
        Speaking of failing at getting elected… Yikes! No wonder Nancy Pelosi doesn’t want any elected Democrat near Charlotte.
      - Wilbur
        
        If the economy gets worse over the next few months it would be very hard for Obama to be reelected regardless of who his opposition is.
        
        This is why over the next few months you will see Republicans continue to do whatever they can to keep the economy from improving.
        
        If that happens, dim bulbs like SF and Plunket will count that as a ‘win’.
Zython

538 has Obama with a solid lead. So clearly, your measurements must be invalid, and you are a horrible person for using a source I personally don’t approve of.
- SaveFarris
  
  As for me, I trust Nancy Pelosi:
  
  House minority leader Nancy Pelosi says Democratic members should stay home and campaign in their districts rather than go to the party’s national convention in North Carolina.
  
  “I’m not encouraging anyone to go to the convention, having nothing to do with anything except I think they should stay home, campaign in their districts, use their financial and political resources to help them win their election,”
  
  Translation: Obama’s a Dead Man Walking. Stay the hell away from him if you want to still be in office come next January.
  
  Please find for me the comparable message from Hastert in 2004, Gephardt in 1996, etc.
  - M2
    
    That is shocking considering the Incumbency of the Presdient.
    
    Shocking.
Plunket

New CBS/NYT poll backs up Jennifer Rubin’s article. A solid month of Obama ad blitzes attacking Romney with everything but the kitchen sink and any mention of the sputtering economy, we find that the public just isn’t buying it.

Romney 47% to Obama 46%

Romney is gaining by letting Obama go on the offensive and revealing his socialistic bonafides when he occasions to go off script.

Among independents, only 28% say they have a favorable impression of Obama vs. 52% who say not favorable. And among all voters, Obama’s favorability went from 42%-45% in April to 36%-48%.

Polling numbers going south for Obama just when liberal bloggers are strutting and claiming that things are going swell for The One.

Weird.
- M2
  
  Yeah, a solid month except Miten’s Bain douchenaggery broke wide 2 days into that poll. Not worried, especially since Mitt agrees with the President so much. You know, on the things the right was bagging on the President for yesterday.
  
  http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/who-built-that-romney-and-obama-agree-129462.html
Zython

Justy, again:

After all, he did end the war in Iraq, except it’s not over and the troops aren’t home.

Nope.
- Justanotherrighty
  
  Yep
  it’s not over and the troops aren’t home.
Zython

“Justy”:

Obama has shown that he could do a better job running the country than Romney did at Bain ,

Doing things normal people would be ashamed of.

or in the state of Massachusetts.

Romney certainly thinks he did a bad job there.

And, oh, he closed Guantanamo like he promised … Oh, wait! not yet,

Yeah, I actually remember what happened. Obama was told by Congress to fuck off when he wanted to close Gitmo. Next time, try this on someone without long-term memory.

Obama tells more lies before lunch time than Romney has told in his adult life.

Yeah, no.

Even those left wing pollsters found that two-thirds of those born in the bottom fifth stay, not in the bottom fifth, but in the bottom two-fifths.
So, one-third of those born in the bottom fifth must be rising above the bottom two-fifths.

Yeah, you missed the main point where the social mobility in this country is crap compared to other first world countries. You know, those eeeeeeeeeeeevil socialist European countries?

Zython: From the article in the left wing rag you linked to :

Sorry my article doesn’t have enough racial slurs as you would have liked.

And then of course , there’s his premier achievement : Getting a healthcare plan passed that we will probably not know how to administer or pay for , let alone help people with by 2016.

You really ARE upset that poor people are going to get medical care, aren’t you?

Plunket:

Goddamn you’re shrill. I think you like being angry, even more than Frank. At least Frank got angry about things that actually made some sort of sense. Take a Midol and call me in the morning.
- Plunket
  
  Take a Midol and call me in the morning.
  
  Sexist slur coming from a liberal on a liberal blog, Who could’ve guessed.
  
  No wonder liberal women never post here any more.
  - Zython
    
    Well, Tylenol didn’t work last time…
    - Plunket
      
      Tylenol nothing, Zython, you’re a sexist pig and that’s a sexist comment.
      
      When you finally get out of college…..some day….and start working, try saying that in the workplace and see what happens.
      
      You think once you finally get to the real world you’re going to quit being a smart-ass, punk douche-bag? Like Gore said, zebras don’t change their spots.
oi ly

Just what the GOP needs, more hard hitting malarkey. You go girl –

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/16/bachmann_defends_her_witchunt/

SOS, they’re fire on all cylinders!
oi ly

Now all Romney has to do is learn to squeal in order to convince the doubting troops that he really is their man.
enlightened liberal

The thing is oi ly, if Obama haters had legitimate reasons to disagree with Obama, that wouldn’t be racism. But everything these types come up with is illegitimate, the birther issue, death panels and other lies about legislation, the lies about how much vacation Obama takes. It’s all a meme that he’s a lazy ni-CLANG who wants to give everything away and he isn’t as American as good ol’ apple pie and Chevrolet white people.
M2

Here Farris. Romney is preparing to campaign on the issues. Maybe.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-negative-obama-cocaine-gamble.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

So hope it’s true. Please bring it.
- enlightened liberal
  
  Wow, that’s going to DESTROY… Romney. Those kind of attacks didn’t work when people didn’t know Obama in 2008, but now? Most reasonable people (i.e., the other 73%) know that Obama has been a level-headed leader with the best interests of the company at heart. You can disagree about his policy, but you aren’t going to get far pushing Obama as a coke head, or Indonesian infiltrator or this other nonsense.
  - M2
    
    Right? Again, don’t know if it’s true but it sure hadn’t stopped his surrogates, obviously, from going there. Mitten’s pals can’t fling bullshit without it sticking to Romney’s slacks, no matter how hard candidate cream cheese pretends to be above the fray.
    
    But, they’ve got nothing else except their rooting for misery which they help foment every chance they get.
oi ly

“We get it, he’s black.”

Worse than that, he’s black and uppity. When will he learn to tap dance.
- Plunket
  
  Oily Indeed: “Yeah, race card’s been played. I’m in.”
  - M2
    
    Looks like you missed it by 29 minutes.
SaveFarris

Job growth is continuing, Farris

Really? The facts say it’s slowed down drastically over the past 3 months to less than replacement level. If you’re okay with 80,000 jobs a month (with chronic long-term unemployment and a participation rate at record lows), then President Downgrade is the man for you.

Of course, I remember a time when Nobel-Prize winning economists thought 310,000 new jobs a month was insufficient.

The only people who celebrate unemployment are Democrats because it means more people sign up for food stamps, which is their raison d’être.
- M2
  
  Yes it is, Farris. Yes it has slowed, but it continues, against Republicans best efforts – the same GOP who are so outraged Americans are unemployed they push to cut food stamps because that helps.
  
  And if you’re little ” food stamps = democratic votes” bullshit were true, we’d have a lot more red states, wouldn’t we?
  
  Nope, nothing racial component to GOP attacks here. No sir.
  
  Why don’t you go find that thread already
  - M2
    
    Sorry about typos and odd words to all — iPad and I are fighting
  - SaveFarris
    
    “against Republicans best efforts”?!?
    
    Remind me which party isn’t doing their Constitutionally mandated duty to pass an annual budget.
    
    Remind me which party’s plan for Medicare is … “Go bankrupt in a decade, then we’ll worry about it”
    
    Remind me which party’s plan for growing the economy is “Raise taxes on everyone”
    
    Congratulations, Boy who Cried Racism.
    
    PS: You complain about that iPad so much: maybe you should give it to someone who doesn’t own one. Since you’re all about “spreading the wealth”. As your President would say: “You didn’t earn that”.
    
    Walk the walk, my friend…
    - M2
      
      Yes, republicans’ best efforts. Your boys have actually admitted it aloud, for chrissakes. Do you need me to to quote that for you? You seem to forget things you’ve said from your very first post in this thread – and yours is the very first post – so let me know if you need more help there.
      
      And funny, the four words you pull out of context from the president, Mittens agrees with, but you won’t hear that in your echo chamber although I’ve posted it already in case you’re interested. I know. You’re not.
      
      What a joke. And I will give my iPad to someone less fortunate when you buy Justin Bieber’s next one, because he is struggling worse than the Romneys in college and I know you need to help the millionaires out.
      
      Congratulations, boy who says racist shit and then whines like a bitch when called on it.
      - M2
        
        And the republican Medicare plan again is… Ending it.
M2

Job growth is continuing, Farris, He must be really good at ignoring his job for that to somehow continue. For the country, I sure do wish it were more. For you, he could create 500K a month and you’d still bitch like liar Sununu did yesterday.

And as you recall, taking the former President to Crawford cost a ton of cash you claimed it didn’t cost and you looked like a complete fool again. Want me to go back and link everyone to that disgrace for the full context? Or you could do so yourself. Why don’t you, Farris. Share with us.

We’ll wait.

Again, the right wing who are up in arms over the President’s choice of ice cream eateries, the mustard he uses, the binder clips used on reports are now butthurt he dare go out in public while there is still unemployment in America their party fights and cheers for every single day.

Patriots.
enlightened liberal

We get it, he’s black.
- Plunket
  
  Wow, 82 whole posts for this thread before a nutcase shows up to gratuitously play the race card.
  
  Impressive.
  
  Maybe you could post a couple obligatory pics like the ‘colored only’ and the blacks getting doused by firehoses, like the last thread, unenlightened.
  
  C’mon, you know it’d make you feel better about yourself.
SaveFarris

Shorter M2: I don’t care if the President ignores his job so long as he as a [D] after his name.

And as you’ll recall, the Crawford discussion came in comparison to spending time there vs. spending time at a resort hotel/swanky vacation home. Similar Transportation and security costs would be spent in both instances negating their value for purposes of comparison.

So like you to take things out of context, though I can’t say I’m suprised…
SaveFarris

Priorities:

President Barack Obama’s Jobs Council hasn’t met publicly for six months, even as the issue of job creation dominates the 2012 election.

At this point, the hiatus — which reached the half-year mark Tuesday — might be less awkward than an official meeting, given the hornet’s nest of issues that could sting Obama and the council members if the private-sector panel gets together.

For starters, there’s the discomfort many business leaders may feel in appearing to embrace the president with his reelection bid in full swing.

Then, there’s the fact that some members of the commission have conspicuously declined to endorse him. And that Obama has conspicuously declined to endorse some of their recommendations. And that some of what Obama won’t endorse has been warmly embraced by Republicans, including likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

To cap it all off, several of the companies whose CEOs serve on the panel are involved to some extent in outsourcing — a fact that could undercut the ferocious attack Obama and his campaign are mounting on Romney over his alleged ties to the practice.

President Nobel can’t find the time to meet his panel singurlaly focused on the most important issue of the day. But he CAN find the time to go to a basketball game and hang out at George Clooney’s Swiss Chalait.

Heck of a job, Barack!
- M2
  
  Yes, Farris. Although you’ve highlighted the reluctance of many to attend, the President should convene this to make you feel better while job growth still happens, despite the GOP’s best efforts.
  
  Your show President ran from 2001-2009. And speaking of him…
  
  And oh yes, how dare he go to a ball game or to Clooney’s house or out – ever. Didn’t you learn from your embarrassment earlier this year? You know the one/ “Crawford cost like, no money to go to.”
  
  That one? How fucking stupid it was? Yeah, you’re thee again.
Plunket

If Bain Capital Is So Evil Why Do All These Democrats Take Their Donations?

If you believe the Democratic Party, Bain Capital is nothing but a bunch of vampire capitalists. They outsource jobs to other countries, close steel mills and take lollypops from little babies.

According to Open Secrets, during the present election cycle these Democratic Party candidates took a total of $335,700 from Bain, its lobbyists and employees. So if the Democrats believe Bain is so evil, why are these candidates taking their money?……..

Read the whole thing.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.
- M2
  
  Yes, Phlunky. The reason Mittens has a problem is because the Democratic Party has been calling Bain Capital evil.
  
  Proof you have not paid attention once.
  
  Idiot. Copypasta idiot, too.
  - Plunket
    
    100% of C+P’s posts here were copypasta, Burn. He does the exact same thing at the other far left-wing loon sites he frequents, too…..especially Amanda Marcotte’s freak show hell-hole. He couldn’t write a sentence on his own or put forth his own ideas to save his soul. Then when he does try to, he sounds like Obama when the teleprompter’s not working. Did you notice that he’s tried to change that tactic the last couple weeks? Because he know’s it’s true, he’s nothing but a copypasta troll. Copying and pasting stories to fit the narrative is fine, but when it becomes all you do, don’t whine when someone calls you out on it. I’ve explained that 50 times to you, yet you still act like I claimed all copying and pasting is wrong. You’re a buffoon, you know that?
    - M2
      
      Burn is not here and you’re dragging out old comments of your own – Amanda Marcotte – who gives a fuck about AM?
      
      No one. You’ll fallen on your own hypocritical sword copypasta troll. Try taking it like a man an not like a glass jawed republican bitch.
      
      And call me when you acquire a cursory knowledge of current events. Bain = Evil ain’t it.
      - Plunket
        
        You’re burn and Oily is indeed. No question.
        
        C+P and Zython both pals of hers and regular posters there. C+P does his copypasta act there more than he does here.
        
        And you guys do think Bain is evil. You think Romney was supposed to play this sort of kumbaya figure like he was running an animal shelter or something. Like he was supposed to be some sort of hedge fund/community organizer dude and make everybody happy even if their companies sucked because their business model sucked…you know, like Obama’s vision for America.
      - M2
        
        Yes, I am secretly Burn with a new name. Busted.
        
        To call you an idiot is an insult to idiots everywhere.
        
        “And you guys do think Bain is evil.”
        
        Idiot.
        
        If there’s nothing else, I’ll just walk away. Call me out by name if you need me. It’s not Burn.
        
        Idiot. Bored and done.
db

Frank,

Just for it:

“Obama is totally the suckiest President we have had since I remember, and I remember Eisenhower beating Stevenson.”

Are you calling Ike a “sucky President”?

Zython,

“Ramussen tends to lean heavily right, due to only polling land-lines, and not cell phones.”

Rasmussen & Zogby polls skewer noticeably right. It’s probably not their methodology though. Long arguments that we don’t need to bore others with; but I thumbnail a 3% R slant to Rasmussen polls. So when a Rasmussen poll shows a Republican not winning the race, I pay attention.
Justanotherrighty

And then of course , there’s his premier achievement : Getting a healthcare plan passed that we will probably know how to administer or pay for , let alone help people with by 2016.
should read:
And then of course , there’s his premier achievement : Getting a healthcare plan passed that we will probably not know how to administer or pay for , let alone help people with by 2016.
Justanotherrighty

You know what, Zython , you’re right. Obama has shown that he could do a better job running the country than Romney did at Bain , or the Olympics, or in the state of Massachusetts.
After all, he did end the war in Iraq, except it’s not over and the troops aren’t home.
But, he did keep unemployment down to less than twice what it was under Pres Bush.
And, oh, he closed Guantanamo like he promised … Oh, wait! not yet,
And he did abandon Bush’s cowboy tactics, like bombing the crap out of Libya and firing Predators into Pakistan.
And then of course , there’s his premier achievement : Getting a healthcare plan passed that we will probably know how to administer or pay for , let alone help people with by 2016.
But, yeah, he is obviously a far better candidate than Romney…
I’ve got news for you, Sparky :
Obama tells more lies before lunch time than Romney has told in his adult life.
Obama is totally the suckiest President we have had since I remember, and I remember Eisenhower beating Stevenson.
Any one of the candidates in the Republican Primaries would make a better President than Obama …
- Wilbur
  
  Obama is totally the suckiest President we have had since I remember, and I remember Eisenhower beating Stevenson.
  
  short-term memory is the first to go in many types of senile dementia. Frank, if you have clear memories of the 50′s and can’t remember anything that happened in 2001-9, then seriously, it’s time to check in with your neurologist.
  - Justanotherrighty
    
    Wilbur: F*ck you very much. My memory is fine. All the “horrible” things you hated Pres Bush for, are still being done by His Majestyness. The difference is, I am not pretending that they are OK now.
    You are.
    I never suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome. You and your cohorts did. [Just a thought: Have you ever heard Obama pronounce "nuclear"? Me, neither]
    
    Are you calling Ike a “sucky President”?
    No, I was saying that Obama is the suckiest President I remember …
    
    Zython: From the article in the left wing rag you linked to :
    
    Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society, about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths.
    
    Even those left wing pollsters found that two-thirds of those born in the bottom fifth stay, not in the bottom fifth, but in the bottom two-fifths.
    So, one-third of those born in the bottom fifth must be rising above the bottom two-fifths.
    That’s why I called it a dream, bro.
    - Wilbur
      
      Wilbur: F*ck you very much. My memory is fine.
      
      Debatable. Exempli gratia….
      
      All the “horrible” things you hated Pres Bush for, are still being done by His Majestyness.
      
      No, they are not, that is simply false. That statement either a) dishonest, b) delusional or c) you simply don’t remember all the horrible things that Pres. Bush did. The last option might be symptomatic of some sort of pathology affecting the memory. Only a battery of neurological tests could tell for sure. If c is true then my sympathies, Frank, get thee to a neurologist while there’s still time. If a or b, then f*ck you back in the *ss with red hot pokers.
      
      I never suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
      
      No, probably not, but you certainly suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome.
      
      Just a thought: Have you ever heard Obama pronounce “nuclear”? Me, neither
      
      Frank, what you seem not to realize is that if Bush hadn’t fucked up two wars, exploded the federal budget with bad tax cuts and unfunded expenditures, and sat around with his finger up his bum while New Orleans drowned and the economy collapsed, then nobody would care how he pronounced ‘nuclear’.
      
      Huff and puff all you like, you will never turn Obama’s real and imagined shortcomings into anything that resembles the huge dumpster fire of fail that was GWB and the Repbulicans 2001-2009. And you want us to put those yahoos back in power? Again, dishonesty, delusion, memory loss. There really is no other option.
oi ly

Here you go, something negative – he’s not leftist enough. You don’t get to set the parameters of my discontent, Plunky.

“It’s like you all bow before him, now matter how bleak the economic outlook gets, no matter how many people remain out of work.”

Here’s a plan of action -

“The IMF also singled out the overhanging risk from US political stasis that could send the country over a “fiscal cliff” due to laws that, if not changed, will force massive government spending cuts coupled with automatic tax hikes on January 1 that would severely crunch the world’s largest economy.”

“”Avoiding the fiscal cliff, promptly raising the debt ceiling, and developing a medium-term fiscal plan are of the essence,” the global crisis lender said in recommendations for the United States.”

Sound familiar? Can the conservatives live with these recommendation? And yet, the wealthy nations always encourage adherence to IMF recommendations for poorer countries.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jL1SNBxVemI-JuYbFffWVJhXxk0Q?docId=CNG.00e20d2dc3552f3ac5b04f51922d7765.1f1
Zython

When George McGovern was running for President, he was campaigning in an auto factory, and he was promising to lower the size of an estate where the Estate Tax kicked in , and a number of auto workers objected.
He said, “Why should you object? You’re not millionaires.” They answered him, “But someday we might be.”

Cool story, bro. Shows how even back then, people were still eating up the lie that class mobility still exists. Sad fact is that in today’s America, who you were born to matters much more than what you actually do.

But sure, keep giving the rich more free money. I’m sure that any day now, they’re going to fix all our problems out of the goodness of their hearts. Yup, any day now…
Zython

So much idiocy, so little time.

Plunket:

It’s not that he isn’t being nice, it’s that the SCOAMF is a complete fraud…..

True, Mitt has told enough lies to fill an encyclopedia, and hasn’t have the conviction to stand for anything.

M2, you got nothing to say but race-baiting, class warfare

Yes, it’s US engaging in “class warfare”, not Mitt “I don’t care about poor people” Romney.

and bashing American businesses.

Bain’s way better business for China than it is for the US.

The “Stop whining about us calling you a felon without knowing what the fuck we’re talking about!” talking point.

Ok, I’m going to explain this VERY slowly, so that even you can grasp it. Mitt Romney told the FEC that he left Bain in 1999. His SEC reports, however, show that he was still CEO, president, chairman of the board, and sole shareholder well past that point. Now, unless you believe the “retroactive retirement” BS, it’s impossible for both of these things to be true. And lying to either the FEC or SEC is illegal. Therefore, it’s pretty clear that he broke the law. Do you understand now, or do I need to do a puppet show for you to understand.

Justy:

Let’s take a look at your “priorities”.

1) Unemployment
2) A stagnant economy
5) When Romney left Bain

Boy, you’re just as tone-deaf as Romneybot. Romney’s been running on his experience at Bain as reason he should be President. However, when we actually look at his tenure, we see someone who bought up companies, squeezed everything out of them for himself, and left the husk to rot. Not to mention his outsourcing jobs to China. What makes you so sure he won’t do the same to America?

3) Iran’s progress toward a nuclear weapon
4) China’s next move

Who would you trust more with foreign policy? The guy who got Osama and has mended our foreign reputation after Bush II’s cowboy routine. Or the guy whose foreign policy plan involves countries that haven’t existed for over 20 years?

Am I going to go back over weeks and weeks of Rasmussen, Gallup and columns and analysis to find it all for you?

1. Ramussen tends to lean heavily right, due to only polling land-lines, and not cell phones.
2. Farris and Plunket have already declared that Gallup is an “irrelevant” source. So don’t bother.

Are you kidding? Pres Obama campaigned as “The Non-Bush” and it got him in the White House.

Clearly, you’re too out-of-touch to understand why people voted for Obama.

And, BTW , Romney kicked Obama’s ass today in Pennsylvania …

Why am I not surprised that you link to someone who stalks children?

Incidentally, I am sure you will find conflicting points of view here, but I simply Googled Is Obama Romney starting to look like Carter Reagan ? and got over 2 million hits …
So someone is thinking about it, at least …

11.5 million results for “conservatives are stupid”. Huh…

Save Farris:

…

I’m not even going to bother.
- Plunket
  
  2. Farris and Plunket have already declared that Gallup is an “irrelevant” source. So don’t bother.
  
  You’re a liar, Zython, and a really bad one at that. Neither Farris nor I stated Gallup was an “Irrelevant” source.
  
  You attempted to correct us when we stated the unemployment for the month of May was 8.2% by posting a lower figure as the current unemployment number without stating Gallup as your source. You proved both that you’re dishonest and a dirtbag. Now you’re doubling down on your douchiness by claiming that we said Gallup as an organization is irrelevant, which neither of us did. db, M2. indeed, Burn, Oily and Christopher Foxx all think the sleazy way you attempt to argue is pretty cool, so you keep doing it for kicks. You typify how liberals argue, lying while at the same time pretending they’re mortified by what they claim is other people’s lies.
  
  Scummy.
oi ly

Reverend Wright, Father Pfleger, Saul Alinsky, Secretly Muslim, Socialist, Communist,, Indonesian, Un American, Obamacare, Birth Certificate, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, Hates America, Hates White Culture, Class Warfare, Food Stamp President, Affirmative Action President, just to name a few of the many and incessant insults endured by Obama.

And now Justy takes a swipe at Canada, our good neighbor and friend. Looks like they’re already running out of gas.
- Plunket
  
  Obama Descends into Self-Parody
  
  On the campaign trail last time around, Obama pledged, among other things, to provide “a cure for cancer in our time,” to deliver “a complete transformation of the economy,” “end the age of oil in our time,” and, perhaps most quixotically, to “fundamentally change the way Washington works.”
  
  Three and a half years into Obama’s tenure, you can see why he’d rather “tell a story to the American people” and hope for “the belief in things not seen.”</i?
  
  Oily, you and M2 are still wolfing down the crap sandwiches this imposter's been feeding you for four full years now. It's been a very long time indeed since any leftist clown on here has said anything remotely negative about him. It’s like you all bow before him, now matter how bleak the economic outlook gets, no matter how many people remain out of work. How pathetic that must be to live like that, being afraid to speak out for fear of someone telling you you’re out of line.
  - Zython
    
    And copypasta Plunket strikes again. Try again, and this time, don’t link to any quotes, facts, or references.
    - M2
      
      Copypasta gangsta can’t be bothered to know what he is talking about or answer a question. After he fails and fails again in every argument,his latest is we’re all too afraid to speak out against the President or his policies.
      
      There’s infinite room in Phlunky’s ass to move those goal posts around in.
      
      Fucking boring.
Justanotherrighty

M2, I realize you’re from Canada, and I forgive you for that, but here in America , we have dreams.
When George McGovern was running for President, he was campaigning in an auto factory, and he was promising to lower the size of an estate where the Estate Tax kicked in , and a number of auto workers objected.
He said, “Why should you object? You’re not millionaires.” They answered him, “But someday we might be.”

And, BTW , Romney kicked Obama’s ass today in Pennsylvania …
- M2
  
  Aw, your story of American dreams and auto workers who never did become millionaires but probably lost their jobs in the 1980s was touching, but I am an American. Sorry, I know I am not in the real America you and Palin dream about, but an American, in a very real America republican policies would destroy, turning us into Ayn Rand’s Rwanda, because fantasy is really all you guys live in, whether it’s wholly imagined or a mythical version of America’s actual past – ie. the glorious 1950s.
  
  Ain’t gonna happen.
  
  Also, kicked his ass? Ha ha. Foolish boy. If that is ass kicking, you are gonna shit your pants when you see what happens to your policy/plan – free piece of cream cheese at the first debate.
  
  Hilarious.
M2

Oops, fainting couch . Damn iPad auto correct.
SaveFarris

Shorter M2: How DARE someone on the campaign trail question anyone’s patriotism!

By the way, you’re not allowed to complain about Sununnu. Because to do so would be to “whine” and “cry” and have a “glass jaw”.

“Eat It”…
- M2
  
  Listen to that butthurt from Farris. He says he wants to talk about the issues, champions a clown who doesn’t, but it’s fair because Obama called Bush unparrotic for sinking the country during his tenure with spending Farris didn’t care about til the current POTUS had to spend more money to keep us from the brink – and yes, cover your delicate ears – it’s Bush policy that sunk us. Republicans.
  
  Eat it indeed while you reach for that finding couch.
M2

Rigt, Farris. Saying ” I wish this president would learn how to be an American.” is on point and on the issues. Oh, and brave Sununu already walked it back.

Clown.
M2

Here’s more of Mitt’s winning campaign surrogates fighting back. Fucking Christ.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/sununu-unleashed-obama-needs-to-learn-how-to-be-an-american.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Retroactively never campaign, Mitt.
- SaveFarris
  
  So Romney is a wimp and a loser for not fighting back.
  …
  But when he (or his surrogates) fight back, they’re “going off the deep end” and “melting down”.
  
  Thanks, but no thanks, we’ll keep on talking about the issues that people *DO* care about: Obama’s historical incompetence when it comes to economics.
M2

Meh, I will be the democrat who proudly calls it out now. Mittens will lose and lose big. I have no problem eating crow, I just don’t see it on the menu after his weekend and continued week of “stop picking on me!”
- Plunket
  
  Wishful thinking, M2. All you’ve said is that you’re a Democrat.
  
  You can’t stop to think that for a large number of Americans, what Obama said when he went off the teleprompter that ‘if you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen’, that’s just a really disgusting pronouncement coming from the president of the United States. Bow down to the state. Elixir to your ears, not so much to independents and anyone not sucking off the public teat.
  - M2
    
    Please pull me the President’s exact quote in context, Phlunky. You and the rest of your echo have yet to get it right yet — not that you’ve fallen for another wingnut huckster scam perpetrated by idiots and running on Fox as of this morning. No, not you.
    
    A large number of Americans might be upset with that, and they watch Fox and listen to Rush. True patriots!!!!
    
    And yes, telepromper, blah blah , governemnt teat, blah blah.
    
    Fucking boring. Put up the quote and I guess I will never get my Bain questions answered, but no worries.
    
    Mitt is on tv right now. I will pay attention to your candidate for you. Try doing that with mine.
    
    He’s attacking liberal polices now. Lol. “we need to replace obamacare with???”
    
    Yeah, not answered.
    - Plunket
      
      You’re afraid he’s going to want you to go to work, M2.
      
      Scary shit.
      - M2
        
        Yeah, just like Mitt worked his ass off while he and Ann struggled to make ends meet living on his inherited stock portfolio. Omg, how he worked.
        
        It’s okay, Phlunky. Not everyone can hold down a job and keep an eye on current events. I mean I can and millions of others can, but don’t feel bad. You’ll always have your right wing bullshit to swallow to keep you nourished. Rush is probably on now. Grab the lotion and tissues.
        
        I only say that because in addition to not answering questions posted earlier, you can’t even quote the President accurately when asked. So just take time off and stop proving you as a lazy wingnut idiot and enjoy Limbaugh.
        
        Glass-jawed right wing boring whores? Must be Tuesday.
      - Zython
        
        It’s okay, Phlunky. Not everyone can hold down a job and keep an eye on current events.
        
        Whoa. Let’s not say things like that.
        
        Meth labs don’t run themselves.
      - M2
        
        I’d have to be on meth to allow Phlunky to be anywhere near the creation of my meth.
    - Plunket
      
      I can’t believe you’re actually whining about this failure of a president being taken out of context, Burn.
      
      Stop your whining and grow a set.
      
      Obama’s context was statist rhetoric, plain and simple. What else was he trying to get across, that no man is an island? You probably believe that. He knows he can’t get away with quoting Marx in a campaign speech. At least not yet.
      - M2
        
        I assume you are talking to me as I don’t see Burn here, so, if asking you to do the simple, simple job of reading the President’s actual words instead of echoing without question your wingnuts’ ridiculousness mauling of them, then yes – I am a whiner.
        
        Here’s a quote from Mitt today: “I… don’t… like… America.”
        
        Phlunket, how could you defend a man who feels that way about America?”
        
        Boring ass stupid troll.
- db
  
  M2,
  
  I’ll cover the bet on “lose big”. I made my calls above with the two states being IN & NC. Where do you have the “tossup states” going?
  - M2
    
    I am think Mittens might, MIGHT take Wisconsin. Florida will go blue along with Ohio. I am feeling good about Indiana for some reason and NC I just don’t know.
Justanotherrighty

Anything beyond your fervent wishes? Polling data?

Yes and yes…

Am I going to go back over weeks and weeks of Rasmussen, Gallup and columns and analysis to find it all for you? No. If you are not going to read anything but the LATNYTWaPo and watch ABCCBSCNBCCNNMSNBC, then you will stay in the dark …

And, BTW, I said he is losing “significant” portions of his core constituencies. “Significant” means “substantial” or “meaningful”.
Incidentally, I am sure you will find conflicting points of view here, but I simply Googled Is Obama Romney starting to look like Carter Reagan ? and got over 2 million hits …
So someone is thinking about it, at least …
Justanotherrighty

Yes , because the most important issue facing America today is :
1) Unemployment
2) A stagnant economy
3) Iran’s progress toward a nuclear weapon
4) China’s next move
5) When Romney left Bain

Guess what the Obama campaign’s / the left’s / the Democratic Party’s / the Mainstream Media’s answer is ?

And what is with this “All Romney can do is run an ‘I’m not Obama’ campaign”? Are you kidding? Pres Obama campaigned as “The Non-Bush” and it got him in the White House. He has been President for nearly 4 years and he is still insulting the national intelligence by blaming his failure to jump start the economy on the size of the disaster he inherited, which he either did or did not know , depending on what state he is in, and what day of the week it is.

NEWS FLASH: Romney is not “not losing” nor is he “poised to lose this election”. Pres Obama is losing significant portions of the demographics that put him in the White House.

It’s 1980 all over again: “Neck and neck” until Halloween, and then magically, mysteriously , the Republican is going to mop the floor with the Democrat, while “the pundits” stand there scratching their heads.
By Christmas 2012, the left wing consensus will be , His Majestyness ran a lousy campaign …
- db
  
  Frank,
  
  No one has said that President Obama will win re-election by the same margin that he was elected by. I have said that Romney (assuming the Bain thing does not erupt into criminal charges & he somehow isn’t nominated by the convention) will carry between 2 & 5 stated that voted for President Obama in 2008.
  
  Do you have support for “It’s 1980 all over again: “Neck and neck” until Halloween, and then magically, mysteriously , the Republican is going to mop the floor with the Democrat”? Anything beyond your fervent wishes? Polling data?
Plunket

db,

Why is it that as soon as I call you out for your fake, naive, nice guy routine, you go right into being just another lefty nutcase asshole on here?

Is it because that’s who you really were all along?
- db
  
  Dennis,
  
  Really now.
  
  Frank can give constructive suggestions on how we can improve the Health care system. “Batty” can partake in a long discussions about housing & what can be done to fix the problems.
  
  You, on the other hand, seem constantly reduced to name calling, fuzz words, buzz words, and sound bites. I can not raise them to the level of talking point as there is no talking about it. You blurt out a few buzz words & are off into mindless name calling.
  
  Yet you complain about the tedium here. I can not join M2′s adjetive; but hillarious it is. You wouldn’t be nearly as tedious if you actually contributed something positive to the discussion. As an example, “Why is it that as soon as I call you out for your fake, naive, nice guy routine, you go right into being just another lefty nutcase asshole on here? Is it because that’s who you really were all along?”
  
  If I was faking being a “naive, nice guy”; then I would obviously be “just another lefty nutcase asshole”. Your question carries its’ answer in your definitions. Though you should be proud Fox “News” often does the same thing.
db

“Phlunk,

“The sad thing is you don’t realize just how tedious it all is.”

You really didn’t say that, right? The straight line is just too obvious.
Plunket

M2, you got nothing to say but race-baiting, class warfare and bashing American businesses.

The sad thing is you don’t realize just how tedious it all is. It’ s like you’ve had it all bottled up for the last few years but now that Obama has to resort to this idiocy, you’ve got your motor all revved up again, because it looks like Obama going with the anti-capitalist rhetoric all the way through to November.

Good times for you for these next few months, huh? Whoo-hoo!
- M2
  
  Mr. “Stop using talking points” trots out class warfare, race-baiting and bashing American business in his first sentence. Now that is fucking hilarious.
  
  Just answer what I asked or take your little glass jaw full of bullshit, throw on yer RNC onesie and head back to your crib for a nap.
  - Plunket
    
    It’s not that you used a talking point, M2, it’s that you thought you were being clever and innovative using the talking point from the day before that was all over the Sunday bobblehead news shows.
    
    The “Stop whining about us calling you a felon without knowing what the fuck we’re talking about!” talking point. You plant your butt down on the sofa for two hours every Sunday morning and then regurgitate it all on your favorite lib blogs the next day pretending you’re one of the cool guys.
    - M2
      
      Oh yeah, how dare I sit down and inform myself on what is going on in the presidential race. How dare I watch Romney and Gillespie and his other surrogates speak about Bain capital. I should have been like you, busy learning nothing, and then ran back here to spout absolute bullshit with prideful glee.
      
      But boy, you sure can move the talking point goal posts faster than anyone I’ve seen recently. The classics you’ve spouted above have been floating around Wingnuttia and, oh no, Fox News, for months – months – but my alleged talking point was less than 24hrs old = the vapors.
      
      Fucking hilarious. When you stepped out to prove my point, you really went all out. Thanks, Phlunky.
      
      Tired ass right wing bitches just can’t take a punch.
M2

Also, Ari Fleischer was on Anderson Cooper’s show last night and actually said people calling on Mitt on Bain, the business expertise he touted himself, are the new birthers. No. Really.

Desperate republicans are funny.
M2

Shocking, Phlunky. I can’t link thru to the WSJ some reason so share with us, please, when these two left not- Bain Capital.

Jesus, this should be funny.
Zython

This is just amazing. Obama is showing America that Mitt the Ripper is a pathological liar, out-of-touch, and plays by a different set of rules than most Americans. And all Rmoney and both his supporters can do is whine and get butthurt about how it’s unfair that Obama doesn’t roll over and die for him. The best part is, unlike conservatives, Obama’s doing all this without lying.

But go ahead, keep claiming that Obama not being nice is worse than Romney lying to government officials.
- db
  
  Zython,
  
  Lying on SEC filings? Rather more than a different set of rules eh?
  
  Damn! I might yet lose my bet about Romney being the republican nominee.
- Plunket
  
  It’s not that he isn’t being nice, it’s that the SCOAMF is a complete fraud…..
  
  Obama’s Budget Director a Bain Guy, Married a Bain Gal
  
  President Obama’s rhetoric would suggest that he’s against Bain (both Bain Capital, the investment firm, and Bain Consulting, the consulting firm, as he makes little distinction between the two Bains where Mitt Romney worked in the past). But Obama’s own hiring practice suggests something a little different: His own budget director is a Bain guy who married a Bain gal.
M2

Here’s the genius Romney strategists fighting back. Is it a talking point to call their campaign a complete and utter disaster with this “Hey, we can make the same commercial about you. Na na na na na na” fail?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/

Hilariously weak.
Christopher Foxx

Punket: “Talking point? What talking point? Who, me?!?!?!”

Yeah, you.
Plunket

Democrats to Romney: ‘Stop whining’ over felony remark

Stephanie Cutter, Rahm Emmanuel, Dick Durbin, all three yesterday and the Sunday talk circuit saying ‘Quit whining’. Today M2….”Quit whining”. Now M2 says “Talking point? What talking point? Who, me?!?!?!”

Idiot.
- M2
  
  Again, your little bitch went on a hundred networks Friday to cry. Sorry everyone noticed the obvious. But where’s your comtempt for the Romney talking point Farris started off with, Phlunky?
  
  Yeah, that’s what I thought, clown.
  
  Stupid, whiny bitches who can’t take a punch = the GOP.
  - Plunket
    
    Farris pointed out what Jennifer Rubin pointed out, that Obama is no longer about Hope and Change and he for damn sure doesn’t want to see the MSM focusing on his shitty jobs record or the fact we’re likely heading back into another slump (today’s Advanced Retail Sales down 0.5% when it was expected to increase 0.2%). Blaming Bush would make him look even more ridiculous. Blaming the Republican House makes him the real whiner. So Oliver calls that a conspiracy theory, when it isn’t a theory at all, it’s pretty much the truth.
    
    President Ladies Tee is a SCOAMF and a disaster when it comes to the economy, plain and simple. No conspiracy about that at all.
    - db
      
      Just for it “Phlunk”,
      
      President “Ladies Tee” got Osama Bin Laden. It was your Shrub who decalred Bin Laden irrelevant.
      - Plunket
        
        Just for “db”,
        
        You just googled that, didn’t you?
        
        C’mon, be honest. You did.
      - Christopher Foxx
        
        What’s interesting here is that Plunket thinks people aren’t capable of remembering things that actually happened for more than a short time.
        
        He thinks the difficulty wingnuts have on that score is universal.
        
        It’s kinda cute of him, actually.
      - SaveFarris
        
        So db: what’s Obama’s agenda for the second term? Getting Osama Bin Ladin again?
        
        Obama 2012: You May Never Have a Job Again, But at Least I Did What 40 of 43 Other Presidents Would Have Done (We know Clinton didn’t. And we can’t be too sure on Carter. Or William Henry Harrison for that Matter)
    - M2
      
      Oh, really? Seems you missed Ed Gillepsie with David Gregory and every single one of Mitten’s cry fests sobbing ” But, but, but … the President doesn’t want to talk about his record!” That’s all that has been heard from camp glass jaw continuing into this morning on cable news, including the customary tongue bathing on Fox. Of course, if Mitt wants to talk about Obama’s record, let us know when he is going to do that accurately.
      
      Maybe Mitt will retroactively retire from the race soon. There’s still hope, Phlunket. There’s still hope.
      - Plunket
        
        customary tongue bathing on Fox
        
        Shorter M2: “But, but, but …..Fox News! Waaaaaah”
        
        Gawd.
      - M2
        
        Ha, did you watch it, Phlunky? Did you watch your Fox & Friends? Of course not. Too busy whining and not knowing what the fuck you’re talking about as usual. Sorry, I know nothing gives the right butthurt like pointing out the obvious about the Fox News Mothership, but the GOP tounge baths run 24/7, or is that just a talking point, too? Something no one else could have noticed without marching orders from the White House?
        
        Stop embarrassing yourself. It’s getting sadder rather than funnier.
      - Plunket
        
        A whack-job lib bitching at me for not watching Fox.
        
        Now that’s a first.
      - M2
        
        Thanks for admitting you don’t have a clue about what you’re commenting on then, Phlunky. Was that so hard? You didn’t watch the interview so yiu have no clue as to its content or how that content was presented.
        
        Embarrassing. Although you may be on to something about me being a whack job as I did sit thru the entire segment and only laughed at Mitt and his Fox fluffers once or twice.
      - Plunket
        
        Although you may be on to something about me being a whack job as I did sit thru the entire segment and only laughed at Mitt and his Fox fluffers once or twice.
        
        Let me guess, you’re hoping to get an interview at MMfA as a research fellow and you want to put that on your resume, right?
      - M2
        
        No I was actually curious to see the republican nominee for POTUS defend himself and speak about the issues even on that softball field. More than I can say for you.
        
        Like a good wingnut, you’re proud of your ignorance. Poor Phlunky.
- Christopher Foxx
  
  And here, yet again, Plunket responds in the only way he knows how. “Look, over there.”
  
  Not a word denying that Romney et al are whining. Just constant complaints that folks are pointing it out.
  - M2
    
    He’s beyond parody. So is his “Stop focusing on the other candidate in the race” buddy.
M2

Look at the right whine when a Democrat fights back. Mittens and the rest of the RNC clown car has questioned the President’s birthplace, religion, patriotism, choice of mustard, the use of binder clips — fucking everything. Now, look what happens when you throw a punch at their glass-jawed little bitch of a candidate. Nonstop tears.

Eat it.
- Plunket
  
  Gee, M2, thanks for regurgitating yesterday’s ‘Quit yer whining’ Democratic talking point .
  
  I guess you figure db and Zython probably hadn’t looked at anything besides this website to know how old news that is by now, huh?
  
  Cutting edge you are.
  - Christopher Foxx
    
    And Plunket steps up to provide an example of what M2 was saying. Thanks, Plunket!
    - M2
      
      Right? But it’s a talking point to state the obvious now, Christopher. Phlunky’s whole game is so obvious you can see it from space. Anything he doesnt like to hear is a talking point. Don’t dare try to learn explain a fact to him if an article has been written about either, at any time.
      
      Little whiny ass titty baby bitches.
db

Farris,

Much as Romney would like to have the election between President Obama & Un-Obama; and much as Republican voters have favored Un-Obama over any of their other candidates, potential, or otherwise; when it comes down to it; there has to be another name on the screen.

Why do you think Romney has been so reluctant to ennunciate any specific plans or policies? He’s trying to be Un-Obama.

The election is between two candidates. Two histories. Two visions for America. “Not the Other Guy” doesn’t cut it.

So Farris, What would Gov. Romney do to fix Health Care after he repeals Obama care on day one?
What would Gov. Romney do about immigration?
Can you or Gov. Romney cite specific “job killing” regulations?

So, “where’s the beef” in Romney’s program?
SaveFarris

That’s a good boy, Oliver. Do exactly what the White House tells you and keep the focus on Romney. Don’t let ANYONE breathe a word about the current President and/or his record in office.

Because if that word gets out, Obama loses. Badly.

Obama 2008: Hope and Change
Obama 2012: Frightening Your Pants Off Fighting for the Status Quo
- Christopher Foxx
  
  Typical wingnut reply. Doesn’t dispute or challenge what was said in any way, goes instead for the “Look over there at your guy”.
  
  In other words, a quiet acknowledgment that what was said is true.
  - M2
    
    I love SF’s admonishing Oliver for focusing on the Republican opponent (under strict White House orders, of course).
    
    Usually in elections, the focus is on weather or American Idol. Maybe they’ll debate Howard Stern’s AGT judging this fall.
    - Christopher Foxx
      
      Yes, I’m sure Farris and his wingnut cohorts would much prefer it if the Democrats didn’t focus on their Republican opponent.
      
      Seriously, is actually paying attention to your opponent any way to run a campaign?

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