Heroes

I hate that we live in a world now where a “Batman shooting” is a real thing. Those of us who love characters like Batman often do so because we like the idea of a world where a fantastic character like him stands up to the extraordinarily evil.

The innocent victims who were watching The Dark Knight Rises were part of our society’s relationship with the heroic ideal, the feeling that despite the complexity of reality some figure or force can stand up the darkness and win every time.

We know reality isn’t like that, but it creates an ideal we want to strive towards on either a conscious or subconscious level. And we enjoy the over the top ridiculous ride.

Of course, we do have actual heroes amongst us. They are ordinary citizens, police, doctors, EMTs, firemen, soldiers, and more. They are the ones in the light pushing back the darkness.

They inspire the best in us, and we should do what we can to emulate the best of them.

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    • oi ly

      Of course it’s Dennis. He’s back to settle old scores. Loser.

    • Zython

      No, it doesn’t.

      That’s the joke. Having an easy job isn’t something to be proud of.

      Not one person here ever apologized or admitted they judged too soon.

      Why would we? You admitted that you don’t want apologies. Maybe if you decide to argue in good faith…

    • Justanotherrighty

      Then there’s this :: LINK

      Of course, the whole idea that there is a link between conservative ideology and violence (no less mass murder) is not demonstrated or proven by the fact that you can name 6 people, or even 60 people.

      • Justanotherrighty

        Remember the Left’s reaction to this ?
        LINK

        And this was a list of 80 people.

        You can name dozens of insane misguided people, and let’s suppose they all indicate some connection to the right. That in no way demonstrates that conservatives writers or commentators advocate, or even condone. violence.

        You are running into what one of my long ago professors called the “mashed potatoes fallacy”: “95 per cent of all prisoners ate mashed potatoes when they were children; 98 per cent of death row inmates ate mashed potatoes as children. Therefore, mashed potatoes cause crime.”

        The error is obvious : A variable is not the variable…

        • M2

          you forgot those O’Reilly & Beck fans who shot cops and innocents
          Remind me, M2, when did that happen, and who were they ?
          Lyin’ asshole. – Justanotherrighty

          Just apologize already. Stop being a weasel.

          • Plunket

            M2, do you remember blaming the census worker Bill Sparkman’s death on the right; government-worker hatred brought on by Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck’s ‘violent rhetoric’?

            Think now is a safe enough time for you to apologize for that?

            Too soon?

            • M2

              Well, you go pull a quote where I said something about it and get back to me. While you’re at it, pull up that quote of the President’s you and yours mauled last week at the bidding of your idiot mouthpieces and give it to us in context. How long you gonna run from that?

            • M2

              Well, you go pull a quote where I said something about it and get back to me. While you’re at it, pull up that quote of the President’s you and yours mauled last week at the bidding of your idiot mouthpieces and give it to us in context. How long you gonna run from that?

            • Plunket

              Here’s the audio and the text. Word for word as I quoted him. The context doesn’t change what he said, sorry to inform you.

              Obama – ‘If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen’

              Fortunately for you, M2/ed/indeed, Oliver erased all his old threads. The thread was titled, “Census Worker Hung With “Fed” Sign: Another Glenn Beck Killing?”. Of course, he was just asking questions.”, is all. No harm in that, right? Except that’s not what you were doing on that thread, M2.

              The reason you think Brian Ross should be fired is because he got you excited that the Aurora shooter was actually a tea partier. The letdown must’ve been devastating for you.

            • M2

              The context doesn’t change what he said? oh, really? Ask Mitt Romney. He agrees with the President that no one went it alone on the road to success.

              As for that thread you mention, you insist I am still Burn although I am not, so you once again, don’t know what the fuck you’re taking about anyway. And if I had said the tea party murdered the census guy, I would apologize for it because unlike the right wing clown dais you’re a part of, I can admit when I am wrong.

              Also funny, your source the Washington Times doesn’t disspel the fact you’re lead around by the nose by any right wing idiot who spouts the echo chamber’s line of attack. In fact, the first line of that linked piece affirms it.

            • Plunket

              The context doesn’t change what he said? oh, really? Ask Mitt Romney. He agrees with the President that no one went it alone on the road to success.

              Just because Mitt Romney or anyone else who builds a business acknowledges that they had help from others along the way doesn’t mean they didn’t build the business. Obama said they didn’t. The context doesn’t change the fact that he said that. You have no idea what you’re arguing.

              You’re not Burn, you posted here formerly as indeed, and then after that you changed to ed, and now as M2. You’re the only guy that keeps bringing up Jim David Adkisson on these tedious threads where the same flying monkeys show up claiming it’s the right and the right only that has a problem with politically-motivated violence. And why you choose to do that now when you know the Aurora shooter wasn’t politically motivated is anybody’s guess. The only plausible reason is that you enjoy it. That has to be it. Same for you, Zython and Wilbur, because it’s always you three who never miss the opportunity every time there’s a tragedy like this.

            • M2

              Just because Mitt Romney or anyone else who builds a business acknowledges that they had help from others along the way doesn’t mean they didn’t build the business. Obama said they didn’t. The context doesn’t change the fact that he said that. You have no idea what you’re arguing… Phlunky

              You’re an idiot or are easily led by any number of right wing talking heads. That’s what I am arguing and you just proved it again. The only place the “he said you didn’t create a business” bullshit has any traction is at Fox News who started it and in Romney’s head, who again, agrees with the point. Just admit you’re willing to say anything untrue about Obama already. Anything.

              You’re not Burn, you posted here formerly as indeed,… Phlunky

              No.

              and then after that you changed to ed,… Phlunky

              No. Never. Stop now, Encyclopedia Brown.

              and now as M2. You’re the only guy that keeps bringing up Jim David Adkisson on these tedious threads where the same flying monkeys show up claiming it’s the right and the right only that has a problem with politically-motivated violence…

              I really don’t even know who JDA is, and perhaps you missed Justy’s little post above how it’s not you it’s us when it comes to right/left ideological violence.

              And why you choose to do that now when you know the Aurora shooter wasn’t politically motivated is anybody’s guess. – Phlunky

              Just answering someone who called me a liar with proof. Sorry, I know proof is something you guys hate. Or distort as quoting goes. And right after Brian Ross wrongly accused the shooter as being involved in the tea party, Breitbart’s shit hole called him a democrat. I am sure the comments section there is littered with your outrage.

              The only plausible reason is that you enjoy it. That has to be it. Same for you, Zython and Wilbur, because it’s always you three who never miss the opportunity every time there’s a tragedy like this. – Phlunky

              Again, see Justy’s comments. Also, you’re even worse at psychoanalysis than you are detective work. Feel free to close out our discussion. I can’t correct you all day. Final word is all yours.

            • Plunket

              The only place the “he said you didn’t create a business” bullshit has any traction is at Fox News who started it and in Romney’s head, who again, agrees with the point. Just admit you’re willing to say anything untrue about Obama already. Anything. –Indeed/ed/M2

              M2, when you’re whining incessantly about being taken out of context to the point you feel compelled to take out ad to complain about it, you can be sure it’s gotten more traction than just at Fox News. I quoted what Obama said. I also provided the context, which only makes it worse for our anti-business President. There’s nothing untruthful by me in quoting him. No games, no editing, so cleverness whatsoever…..just his own words. Words he, his advisors, his blogs, and you, are all floundering around trying hard to walk back, re-write, clarify, embellish….in short, whine about….trying to pretend he didn’t say what he actually said.

              Here, this cartoon pretty much sums up your guy’s philosophy and why our economy is in such the shambles it is and why it’s likely to get much worse before it gets better under his failed leadership.

            • M2

              Phlunket, I am not whining but laughing at what a dishonest hack you are.

              No surprises a cartoon inspires your idiotic, untruths about the Presdient.

              Hack. You make Monica Crowley look like Golda Meir.

            • Plunket

              M2, you’ve claimed untruths several times.

              What is untruthful about quoting Obama’s collectivist words?

              What is the untruth? Can you express what you think they are in words?

            • M2

              Here’s your idiot admitting the quote is out of context. Maybe you can understand it now.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuDxUuowmX8&feature=player_embedded

              And of course, he’s already said the same things he’s attacking the President for – but somehow it’s “foreign” when the President says it.

              Embarrassing.

            • Plunket

              Here’s your idiot admitting the quote is out of context. Maybe you can understand it now.

              Nowhere on that clip does he say that, M2. You’re lying. He said the context is worse than the actual quote; the context makes it worse.

              And of course, he’s already said the same things he’s attacking the President for – but somehow it’s “foreign” when the President says it.

              Romney never endorsed the foreign concepts of collectivism, statism or redistributionism like Obama has. And he never told people who built businesses or folks with great achievements that they didn’t build that, that it was other did that.

              Yes, M2, those are foreign concepts. And you’re incapable of proving that Romney said anything untruthful in that speech when he discussed Obama’s recent socialistic pronouncements in Roanoke.

            • M2

              “Nowhere on that clip does he say that, M2. You’re lying. He said the context is worse than the actual quote; the context makes it worse.” Phlunket

              Holy shit, if the context is worse than the actual quote, that means that the quote itself he was called on was obviously taken out of context. What else could that mean, Phlunket? What else? Nothing.

              “Romney never endorsed the foreign concepts of collectivism, statism or redistributionism like Obama has.” – Phlunket

              NRO mut have sponsored a word scramble today. You sound like Ayn Rand on a bender tossing around terms you don’t understand.

              “And he never told people who built businesses or folks with great achievements that they didn’t build that, that it was other did that.” – Phlunket

              Neither did the President no matter how you, Mittens and Fox want to believe it so.

              “Yes, M2, those are foreign concepts. And you’re incapable of proving that Romney said anything untruthful in that speech when he discussed Obama’s recent socialistic pronouncements in Roanoke.”

              Only you could watch a clip where someone calls Romney out on his out of context bullshit, watch Romney admit his is quoting the President out of context, and then act like I am the only one who noticed any of this at all.

              Oh, and socialism OMG!!!! NOES!!!

              Your post runs on 30% buzzword and 69% hack bullshit and yo know this but won’t admit it.

              Pathetic. Sad. Expected.

            • Plunket

              Holy shit, if the context is worse than the actual quote, that means that the quote itself he was called on was obviously taken out of context. What else could that mean, Phlunket? What else? Nothing</i?

              That's not true, M2.

              You're struggling. And I'm laughing.

              You simply can't name what was untruthful about what Romney said about Obama's revelation of his true philosophy.

        • Wilbur

          Do I remember the left’s reaction to Allen West’s lie that 81 members of the democratic caucus in congress are members of the communist party? Yes I do.

          If you think that has any relation to the true observation that many wacko psycho killers have identifiably right-wing sympathies, you’re even dumber than I thought.

          • Plunket

            You see, Allen West said that, Wilbur. Not me, not any other conservative who posts here.

            On the other hand, you, M2 and Zython are always one of the first ones to come running to this site when there’s any murder or act of violence that you think you can pin the blame on conservatives. Bill Sparkman was but one such incident. Not one person here ever apologized or admitted they judged too soon.

            You three were the same ones to squawk the loudest about supposed tea party violence. Not once has anyone here denounced Occupy violence. You have no principles, Wilbur. The only thing consistent about you is that you hate conservatives. Racism, sexism, bigotry, violence…. the only time you’re truly against any of that is when you think it’s a conservative doing it.

            • Wilbur

              You see, Allen West said that, Wilbur. Not me, not any other conservative who posts here.

              Take it up with Frank, Dennis. He was the one who brought it up and discussed it as if it weren’t patently ridiculous.

              As for your other whines, notice that while you are pointing at me four of your fingers are pointing back at you. And no, I’m not going to bite on you “look over there” any more than that.

      • M2

        I’ve said your, Mitt’s and Fox News’ “Obama said you didn’t build a business” is horse shit 1,000 times in this thread alone. Anyone with perfunctory reading skills can understand what the President said which explains why you can’t. You know it’s right wing nonsense but yet you’re still pushing it a week out.

        Mitt and the Romney campaign admit it’s horse shit. That’s why they’ve switched tactics to saying “in context it’s worse.”

        I guess you missed this morning’s email. You’ve yet to explain how his saying that “in context is worse” he somehow meant it wasn’t out of context.

        Oh, and corporations raking in record profits and the stock market hitting record highs = Obama is a socialist. We know. You’ve been saying it since 2008.

        • Zython

          Don’t bother, M2. Dennis has shown in the past (such as when I had to explain the point of ‘Teabagger’) that he views everything in a self-contained vacuum. He doesn’t process things that we take for granted, like “context”, “history”, or “grammar”.

          • Plunket

            He doesn’t process things that we take for granted, like “context”, “history”, or “grammar”.

            Zython, you once impersonated a real person, used her real name, linked her name back to her website, and screamed a highly racist screed as if she she was the one saying it. That’s all the context anyone needs to know about you…..what a despicable, foul, dirt
            bag of a person you are.

            “Goddamnit, I hate this stupid fucking country. I hate the blacks, I hate the queers, I hate the Jews, I hate everything about this fucking place. Osama gave us a gift when he attacked those damned Jew Yorkers. May he forever be known as a hero.“

            Those words were written by you, Zython. Your own writing. You, yourself a Jew, wrote those words against your own people, against African Americans, against the gay community, against America, for no other reason than you wanted to be cute.

            All the “context” is right there…. the “history”…..your “grammar”……. and none of it is flattering to you.

            • Zython

              Care to explain to the class why what Beth did was fine (ascribing false statements to liberals), but what I supposedly did was not (ascribing false statements to a conservative)?

            • Zython

              Those words were written by you, Zython.

              Got any proof of that? Besides random conjecture, I mean.

            • Plunket

              a) You just admitted it the previous post

              b) If it wasn’t you, then why not simply deny it? It most definitely was you. You posted there frequently. Your posts have all your same characteristics…. smart-ass, cutesie, punk-ish…and you write exactly in the same manner as you do here.

              c) Your apology the next day back then on Sadly No is just like your apology for your overtly sexist comment you posted last week; that is, apologizing to no one in particular, especially not to the person you offended or directed the attack to, only to the person mistakenly getting the blame for what you did. And like your apology last week, you waited and thought about it a very long time before you did it:

              zython said,:

              Lesley, I know this is a little after the fact, but I just read about them blaming you for that fake comment. I have taken the responsabily for it, as I was the one that posted it. I’m sorry I didn’t do so sooner.

              You’re a scuzz ball, Zython.

            • Zython

              You just admitted it the previous post.

              Read it again, and don’t embarrass yourself this time.

              If it wasn’t you, then why not simply deny it?

              Would you believe me if I did?

              As for the rest, I was right about the pure conjecture. That line of reasoning didn’t work against Obama when you guys claimed Bill Ayers wrote his book, and it’s not going to work against me.

              Also, you failure to explain what Beth did was OK speaks volumes about your hypocrisy.

          • M2

            Is it really, Dennis? Certainly was no fan of him but he seems like Dennis hit with a bag of hammers

            • Zython

              Rose-tinted glasses. Dennis was always this stupid.

    • M2

      Still waiting Justy. Take your time reading those links.

    • M2

      Still waiting Justy. Take your time reading those links.

    • Justanotherrighty

      Then there’s this: LINK

      As it says in the Bible: “Virtue is found in the path of least resistance.”
      No, it doesn’t.

      • Wilbur

        Got ‘im swinging high on the curveball, Zython, way to go!

    • Zython

      I have an easier job than you.

      As it says in the Bible: “Virtue is found in the path of least resistance.”

    • Zython

      Who are you to decide what regulations should be imposed on current and potential gun owners?

      That depends, who are you to make any sort of judgements about anything?

      I am not trying to convince anyone of anything

      It’s important to know your limits.

      Which is exactly how I feel about “Violence is encouraged by the Right” type statements. By George! I think you’ve got it !

      So you’re just trolling. Figures.

      Besides, who would ever think that the right has a problem with political violence? All they have are Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, Anders Breivik, Byron Williams, Shawna Forde, J. T. Ready. And the left has…

      I’ll have to get back to you on that one.

      • Justanotherrighty

        If you don’t count the schizophrenic Norwegian, that’s six extreme – and I mean extreme right wingers. That’s less than the number of former Weathermen that have visited the current President in the White House …

        • Wilbur

          The weathermen, for all their faults, were hardly mass murderers. And just how many of them do you think have visited the White House? (this should be good!).

          The buttcrack of your desperation is showing, Frank. Mental wardrobe malfunction on aisle 3!

      • Plunket

        And the left has…

        Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot.

        I’ll have to get back to you on that one.

        Sure, right after another 4-5 hours of World of Warcraft, right, Zython?

        Career student, video game freak, loner, mentally disturbed….just like James Holmes.

        Somebody should check your apartment for explosives.

        • Wilbur

          For that to be an operative analogy, Dennis, you’d have to have Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow fulminating 24/7 about the need for more genocidal dictators, and comrade Pelosi urging the communist cadres to be ‘armed and dangerous’.

          Here in the 21st century, it’s right wing gasbags that have a problem with violent eliminationist rhetoric, and when whackos go off the deep end and start popping people with military ordnance they get from e-bay, nine times out of ten it’s a right-wing whacko.

          Your and Frank’s laughable efforts to find false equivalences only prove the point.

          • Wilbur

            Along with the ad hominems against Zython – pathetic!

          • Plunket

            Your and Frank’s laughable efforts to find false equivalences only prove the point.

            You haven’t proved anything, WIlbur. Nothing aside from your own ignorance and tell-tale clues that you, M2, Zython and enlightened lib are actually happy whenever there’s another mass murder incident from some crazy idiot. Every time, Wilbur, Oliver posts the incident here on his site and you show up to bring up any prior killer and whatever he might have said or listened to that you can blame it on conservatives…..Poplawski, Tucson/Giffords, Jim David Adkisson, etc…… there you are. M2 when he used to post as ed, and before that when he posted as Indeed. You guys show up in droves saying the exact same things, offering nothing but your hopeful, idiotic, irresponsible speculation that you’re no doubt regurgitating from some other left-wing site you read before you showed up here. It’s all nonsense and you’ve got nothing but theories.

            Theories and no facts.

            • Wilbur

              There are more facts in this one paragraph of Zython’s…

              Besides, who would ever think that the right has a problem with political violence? All they have are Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, Anders Breivik, Byron Williams, Shawna Forde, J. T. Ready. And the left has…

              than you have ever posted on this site, Dennis. Meanwhile all you got is more creepy stalker ad-hominems. Pathetic, and a bit scary.

            • Plunket

              He didn’t post any facts, WIlbur. He never does.

              You’re the one’s with the theories and you’re both too cowardly to even state with any kind of specificity what they are for fear of looking completely ridiculous.

            • Wilbur

              The fact that Zython pointed out is that where the political inclinations of mass murderers of recent years can be divined, the vast majority fit comfortably into the right wing. He provided specific names of several of those mass murderers. You and Frank respond with…. Dictators from two generations ago and some radicals from the 60’s.

              As for my point of view, I’m not I think I’ve made it reasonably clear, but it was probably when you were sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la. In any case, I’m not at all averse to telling you the details of my opinions if you want to know them. So all you have to do is ask politely and respectfully.

            • Plunket

              The fact that Zython pointed out is that where the political inclinations of mass murderers of recent years can be divined, the vast majority fit comfortably into the right wing.</i.

              No, Wilbur, he named a few individuals and then asked if the right has a problem with political violence. That's pretty much his typical modus operandi. He provided no facts.

              He was also crowing immediately after the census worker in Kentucky was found hanging in the woods that surely he was killed as a result of Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck demonizing government workers and Barack Obama. So did M2 They both claimed then that the right had a political problem with violence, and then, as now, they were quick to place the blame on the right. They were wrong, Wilbur. They got their facts wrong. Now Zython merely mentions their names, and you claim he provided facts. He did no such thing.

            • Wilbur

              Do I take it that in your adorable circumlocutionary way you’re saying that some or all of those named were not rightwing wack jobs? Which ones?

            • Plunket

              You’re the one dancing, Wilbur. You claimed Zython provided facts. Now you’re walking that back and asking me what I’m disagreeing with. If you have a case to make, then quit being a coward and make it.

              A crazed lunatic went on a shooting spree late Friday night, and somehow you think it’s the perfect opportunity for you to start crowing about right-wing violence. That’s pretty fucked-up….Holmes wasn’t a right-winger, but that doesn’t matter to you, somehow you still show up here bringing up past murderers with supposed conservative leanings, something you’re not an expert on, nor do you have any knowledge about their psychological make-up that set them off to carry out what they did. You just have a hunch, but you’re too afraid to make a case about it because you really haven’t thought all that deeply about it nor really studied it in order to sound intelligent about it. You just read a few blog posts and some of Dave Neiwert’s ramblings is about all.

            • Wilbur

              You’re the one dancing, Wilbur. You claimed Zython provided facts. Now you’re walking that back and asking me what I’m disagreeing with.

              Dennis, if you need things spelled out for you like a three year old: Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph and several other mass murderers in recent memory in this country tend – if they have any discernible political tendency – toward the whacky right end of things, and tend to spout, in their ‘manifestos’ and whatnot, stuff that often sounds very similar to the anti-government, eliminationist rhetoric that gushes daily from the right’s most prominent political and media figures. In contrast, it is difficult to find nearly as many mass murderers who swing noticeably left. Now we can debate the significance of that fact all you like – but what I’ve been trying to elicit from you and Frank, as necessary prelude to that debate is a) acknowledgment that this fact is, indeed, fact, or b) challenging of this fact by the presentation of relevant contrary evidence. At times it seems like you’re taking a crack at (b), but all you can come up with is such-and-such a foreign dictator who died in the ’50’s or some kids who blew some shit up in the 60’s. I have interpreted your conspicuous failure at (b) as pert neer tantamount to a confirmation of (a), but this is when you get all huffy and – what’s the term you kiddies use, ‘butt-hurt’? and go off on your typical screwball distractionary tangents. Wake me up if you want to have a real discussion.

            • Plunket

              And Wilbur, my point to you is that your point is very weak.

              tend – if they have any discernible political tendency – toward the whacky right end of things, and tend to spout, in their ‘manifestos’ and whatnot, stuff that often sounds very similar to the anti-government, eliminationist rhetoric that gushes daily from the right’s most prominent political and media figures.

              They ‘tend’…. ‘If they have any discernible political tendency’…..

              Whatever point you’re trying to make, you pretty much destroy it in your preface. You really don’t have a strong argument to make, not one you feel passionate about or one you feel you’re on strong footing making, you just want to banter back and forth about something you have a theory about. We’ve done this a hundred times and it never goes anywhere, but yet you always show up after an incident like the Aurora murders floating it out there, again and again. No argument to make, you just know you want to make one. It’s kinda sad.

            • Wilbur

              I’m not surprised that something that is not expressed with cartoonish oversimplification bewilders you, Dennis, but I’ll give you one more shot at answering the extremely simple question that I asked you earlier, and which so far you have proved yourself too chickenshit to answer:

              You’re saying that some or all of those named were not rightwing wack jobs? Which ones?

    • Justanotherrighty

      This sums it up for me: “We are, all of us, trapped in a temporal loop, condemned to repeat the immediate past the next time our lives are jolted by the barbaric act of a nut with a gun.”
      LINK

      I take this as an admission that your original statement was simply provocative bullshit.
      Which is exactly how I feel about “Violence is encouraged by the Right” type statements. By George! I think you’ve got it !

      I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am merely making the case that your case is not convincing. I have an easier job than you.

      • Wilbur

        I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am merely making the case that your case is not convincing. I have an easier job than you.

        And yet you’re still doing a remarkably crappy job of it.

        This sums it up for me: “[shorter wingnut columnist: some people say the world is round, others that it’s flat. It’s always the same old argument. I’d really rather it be flat so I’m just going to say that the fact we have the same old argument again and again means that nobody is right.]”

        Go ahead and believe whatever helps you sleep better at night, Frank.

    • M2

      And how you go from this…

      “Face it, lefties: Rush Limbaugh fans don’t kill people. Tea Party members don’t kill people. Online sales of weapons don’t kill people. People with no moral background – like you ; people who don’t care about the sanctity of life – like you; THEY KILL PEOPLE !!!”

      to this as your support…

      “And I guess my initial response is to say that the problem with “America’s most unglued” is that they are always easily motivated by something. That’s what makes them unglued in the first place: their ability to ignore most of the world around them, while seizing on messages they hear from Glenn Beck, a track on the White Album, or instructions issued from a demon possessing the neighbor’s dog.”

      Seems he has more sense than you. Then again, who doesn’t?

      … is pretty astounding. Laughably hypocritical, too.

    • M2

      They keep getting caught, but you could google these for yourself. Not that you will.

      Cops Say Church Shooting Suspect ‘Hated’ Gays, Liberals
      Published July 28, 2008
      FoxNews.com

      Bill O’Reilly, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity on accused shooter’s reading list
      4-page letter outlines frustration, hatred of ‘liberal movement’

      By Hayes Hickman, Don Jacobs

      Undocumented and non-factual, huh?

    • M2

      Undocumented and non-factual? Wow, you just can’t admit you’re wrong. Yeah, it’s an elaborate ruse to blame Glenn Beck. Fucking idiot.

      Here are the other articles from the post awaiting moderation. I’ll split them up in hopes to avoid being held up.

      http://www.newser.com/story/96176/cop-firefight-suspect-was-hunting-beck-foes.html

    • Justanotherrighty

      What I am trying to divine is why you are okay with banning some weapons outright but not okay placing stringent restrictions on others.
      can you describe what “serious infringement of personal liberties” will take place if we enact more stringent controls on weapons and ammo for which the traditional and conventional purpose is massive human carnage?
      In the first place, the answer to those questions is irrelevant. In the second place, in light of your failing to do anything but criticize my comments without making assertions of your own, you have no right to ask. And, third, why should I submit to your cross examination?
      Who are you to decide what regulations should be imposed on current and potential gun owners?
      Are you a criminologist?
      Are you employed in law enforcement?
      Are you a social psychologist?

      M2: From the same [undocumented, non-factual] editorial column you cited:

      And I guess my initial response is to say that the problem with “America’s most unglued” is that they are always easily motivated by something. That’s what makes them unglued in the first place: their ability to ignore most of the world around them, while seizing on messages they hear from Glenn Beck, a track on the White Album, or instructions issued from a demon possessing the neighbor’s dog.

      Seems he has more sense than you. Then again, who doesn’t?

      This is not a confiscation how?
      a) No one was prevented from buying / owning a gun.
      b) The guns were returned to their owners when they left town.

      So to you with your highly developed ‘moral background’, two wrongs make a right?
      No, not all, pea brain. But it was fun to watch you get all huffy and puffy over someone making a connection you didn’t like !
      Try to remember this the next time you blame “right wing talk radio” or FOX News (see the nitwit M2’s comment above), when a psycho goes off the rails.

      • Wilbur

        In the first place, the answer to those questions is irrelevant. In the second place, in light of your failing to do anything but criticize my comments without making assertions of your own, you have no right to ask. Who are you to decide what regulations should be imposed on current and potential gun owners?

        Like you, I’m a guy commenting on another guy’s website who, like you, is free to express his opinions and to vote in accordance with those opinions. I also have every right, as long as our host allows me, to ask you any damn question I want. You, of course, are free not to respond to those questions, and the rest of us are free to draw our own conclusions as to that lack of response.

        I know, I know, freedom sucks. It’s really a bitch for you that not everybody just lies prostrate before your sententious pronouncements, isn’t it Frank?

        No, not all, pea brain. But it was fun to watch you get all huffy and puffy over someone making a connection you didn’t like !

        I take this as an admission that your original statement was simply provocative bullshit. I concur.

        Try to remember this the next time you blame “right wing talk radio” or FOX News (see the nitwit M2′s comment above), when a psycho goes off the rails.

        When widespread left-wing media outlets start foment hated and violent rhetoric 24/7 I will criticize them as well, but as long as right wing radio and fox news keep it up, I will continue to voice my objections. Because, you see, unlike you I don’t hurl baseless charges just to get the other guy riled up, I hurl charges based on evidence.

    • M2
    • Justanotherrighty

      To save you the wait, I have changed my response somewhat :Your comment is awaiting moderation.

      The answer is “No, they should not”.
      Why not? On what legal, constitutional basis would you infringe their right to bear arms?
      Are you disagreeing with me? Should private citizens be allowed to own heavy artillery, or poison gas canisters?
      I said, “No,” and that’s that.

      hat’s just plain dumb. So killing all those people later, or after the killer overcame some additional obstacles would be OK?
      No, but I’m for putting every possible obstacle in the way of psychopathic killer that does not seriously infringe the freedom of normal people. You’re not?
      No, but I do believe that there are not sufficient obstacles to stop a psychopathic killer from completing his mission, unless you “seriously infringe the freedom of normal people.”

      People with no moral background – like you ; people who don’t care about the sanctity of life – like you; THEY KILL PEOPLE !!!

      If there is a just God … yadda, yadda, yadda
      Awwww, poor Wilbur! Did I just accuse the Left of being ultimately responsible for this crime?

      That’s terrible! Horrible! Accusing someone with a particular ideology of being responsible for a monstrous crime like this !!!

      HEADLINE:
      Aurora Shooting: ABC’s Brian Ross Incorrectly Suggests Tea Party Link
      HEADLINE:
      The Tea Party and the Tucson Tragedy
      How anti-government, pro-gun, xenophobic populism made the Giffords shooting more likely.

      • db

        Frank,

        Brian Ross found someone with the shooter’s name in the Tea party Directory. From the clip I heard, he never said anything beyond that.

        I’ll give you that this 24/365 news cycle is not conducive to confirming facts. But don’t go making this mole-hill into a mountain.

        And I will remind you one more time that when the Earp Brothers wanted to clean up a town; the first thing they did was seize all the guns.

        • Justanotherrighty

          The only resemblance between Tombstone, AZ in the 1880’s and Aurora, CO in the 21st Century is that they are both west of the Mississippi. And their guns were not confiscated; they just couldn’t wear them in town …
          I saw Wyatt Earp on television, too, db .

          you forgot those O’Reilly & Beck fans who shot cops and innocents
          Remind me, M2, when did that happen, and who were they ?
          Lyin’ asshole.

          • db

            Frank,

            It wasn’t TV. But wherever you get you news, as long as it’s accurate…

            The guns were not allowed into the city. The guns were held by the Earps. This is not a confiscation how?

      • Wilbur

        Are you disagreeing with me? Should private citizens be allowed to own heavy artillery, or poison gas canisters?
        I said, “No,” and that’s that.

        What I am trying to divine is why you are okay with banning some weapons outright but not okay placing stringent restrictions on others.

        No, but I do believe that there are not sufficient obstacles to stop a psychopathic killer from completing his mission, unless you “seriously infringe the freedom of normal people.”

        Oh, right. Frankly, Frank, after all the waiting for you to come out of moderation I was hoping something a bit less cartoonish. It’s true: no laws I could dream up would stop all psycho killings from taking place. Similarly, seat belt laws do not prevent all vehicular injuries, despite the existence of the FDA people still get food poisoning, and even the most stringent anti-abortion laws do not stop abortions from occurring. Shall we do away with all of those? And can you describe what “serious infringement of personal liberties” will take place if we enact more stringent controls on weapons and ammo for which the traditional and conventional purpose is massive human carnage?

        Awwww, poor Wilbur! Did I just accuse the Left of being ultimately responsible for this crime?

        So to you with your highly developed ‘moral background’, two wrongs make a right? Gotcha.

    • Justanotherrighty

      My answer to you, Wilbur , is in moderation. Maybe you’ll get to read it by Wednesday …

      • Wilbur

        Looking forward to it!

    • SaveFarris

      More importantly (but not really),

      what’s Oliver’s take on the Man of Steel trailer?

      • M2

        I am having a hard time buying that guy as Superman myself, but a lot more to see, obviously.

    • oi ly

      And Rendell is correct.

      • M2

        Agreed. I mean, we can’t agree that assault weapons aren’t in the public’s best interest?

        • Justanotherrighty

          Neither are black Chuckles, but I don’t want them banned just because I don’t like them.

          • oi ly

            The link doesn’t work, fyi.

            • M2

              I’m sure it was enlightening.

            • Wilbur

              All it would have told you is that Frank can’t process the elementary distinction between controlling access to candy and controlling access to weapons designed expressly to kill multiple humans rapidly.

              I always ask second-amendment absolutists like Frank whether they think that people with a clear criminal background check should be allowed to buy nuclear weapons and artillery shells with weaponized anthrax or sarin gas. Never gotten a rational response.

            • Justanotherrighty

              I always ask second-amendment absolutists [of course, I am not a “second amendment absolutist”, but don’t let reality stand in the way of a good line,eh? ] like Frank whether they think that people with a clear criminal background check should be allowed to buy nuclear weapons and artillery shells with weaponized anthrax or sarin gas.
              The answer is “No, they should not”.
              Next

              Oi ly – it works for me … It’s a picture of a pack of Chuckles

              No, but banning certain types of firearm – or at least making them extremely difficult to get – might make it harder for such people to pile up the body count.
              That’s just plain dumb. So killing all those people later, or after the killer overcame some additional obstacles would be OK?

              I mean, imagine how many more people would be alive today if the ‘joker’ had to stop and reload his flintlock after every shot.
              How many more people would be alive if the movie was canceled; if he couldn’t buy a gas mask; if he couldn’t sneak all that paraphernalia into the movie.
              For want of a nail?

              By the same token, 200-300 million guns didn’t prevent it from happening either.
              Nor could they have, which is exactly why continued attempts to dilute the Second Amendment are futile.

              It’s amazing how these killers always want to save the planet, end the war in Iraq, destroy Israel, eat the rich, or similar stuff, but then lefties blame the NRA …
              Face it, lefties: Rush Limbaugh fans don’t kill people. Tea Party members don’t kill people. Online sales of weapons don’t kill people. People with no moral background – like you ; people who don’t care about the sanctity of life – like you; THEY KILL PEOPLE !!!

            • Wilbur

              …they think that people with a clear criminal background check should be allowed to buy nuclear weapons and artillery shells with weaponized anthrax or sarin gas.
              The answer is “No, they should not”.

              Why not? On what legal, constitutional basis would you infringe their right to bear arms?

              That’s just plain dumb. So killing all those people later, or after the killer overcame some additional obstacles would be OK?

              No, but I’m for putting every possible obstacle in the way of psychopathic killer that does not seriously infringe the freedom of normal people. You’re not?

              How many more people would be alive if the movie was canceled; if he couldn’t buy a gas mask; if he couldn’t sneak all that paraphernalia into the movie

              Cancelling all movies and other public gatherings would be a serious infringement of the liberty of just about all the citizens. Placing more severe restrictions on weapons designed for mass slaughter might seriously inconvenience a handful of law-abiding gun lovers. Not a difficult distinction.

              People with no moral background – like you ; people who don’t care about the sanctity of life – like you; THEY KILL PEOPLE !!!

              If there is a just God, people who make shitty, unprovoked statements like that will soon find themselves in hell being buggered by Eric Rudolph. When your original asshole wears out a new asshole will be provided. Forever and ever, amen.

            • M2

              “People with no moral background – like you ; people who don’t care about the sanctity of life – like you; THEY KILL PEOPLE !!” Justy

              Gee, what a moraled, principled thing to say. Oh, and you forgot those O’Reilly & Beck fans who shot cops and innocents, but I am sure they share the high morals you do so no worries, right?

              Asshole.

            • SaveFarris

              On what legal, constitutional basis would you infringe their right to bear arms?

              DC vs. Heller holds that arms may be used for traditional purposes, “such as self-defense within the home”. The arms you mention are both A)unconventional and B)would destroy or render unliveable the home you are trying to protect. Thus falling outside the bounds of protection of the 2nd.

              Next!

            • Wilbur

              “Next,” Farris, would be for you to explain how the weapons in question in this case fall under the “conventionally used for traditional purposes” test any more than nuclear suitcases or weaponized anthrax.

              Take you time, I can wait.

            • SaveFarris

              An AR-15 might put some holes in the drywall, but it wouldn’t render your domicile unliveable for decades or more.

            • Wilbur

              It could also put some bigass holes in the heads of your neighbors’ children three doors down the street, and home defense is not a conventional and traditional use of that weapon.

              Try again.

    • M2

      And Brian Ross should be fired. From a cannon.

    • db

      Bought the four guns used within the last two months. All legally.

      Sigh.

      • M2

        Now db, don’t politicize a tragedy. That’s Gohmert’s job.

      • Justanotherrighty

        As noted on Facebook tonight, 65 million gun owners didn’t kill anyone yesterday.

        • oi ly

          By the same token, 200-300 million guns didn’t prevent it from happening either.

    • M2

      I haven’t read any updates of late, but the shooter was 24 years-old. I would guess a psychotic background or one with some sort of mental illness, but jeez. What brings you to that ever let alone 24 years-old?

      Scary. Those poor people cut down for being fans of the Dark Night. So sad.

      • Justanotherrighty

        Any student of abnormal psychology will tell you that many mental illnesses strike late in puberty. Schizophrenia primarily strikes in the late teens and early twenties. Being mentally ill doesn’t give you permission to kill anyone, it only serves to persuade you it’s OK.
        Banning guns has nothing do with that.

        • Wilbur

          No, but banning certain types of firearm – or at least making them extremely difficult to get – might make it harder for such people to pile up the body count.

          • Wilbur

            I mean, imagine how many more people would be alive today if the ‘joker’ had to stop and reload his flintlock after every shot.