Censure Joe Wilson

Congressman Joe Wilson, by yelling “Liar” at the President Of The United States during a joint session of congress, should be censured by the House of Representatives.

The GOP brought teabag tactics into our House.

  • JoeKnows

    Joe Wilson is speaking the truth, many of you just can’t see beneath the surface of things.

    Also, if you want to speak highly of the people that are serving and protecting our nation…then you should stop bashing Repbulicans, because our Armed Forces are predominantly Republican. Sounds like a bunch of neo-hippie nonsense to me.

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  • louky

    If you want to censur Wilson for his transgression, what should the House do to Rangel?

  • Chicago Pete

    Republicans = EXTREMIST party

  • Impaler

    Wow Meg I think your hot.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Meg,

    A few things have changed in the last 40 years. Do they have TV where you live?

  • Freda

    joe wilson should lose his position as U.S.Congress
    Representative as result of his DISRESPECTFUL,
    UNPROFESSIONAL,ILL MANNERED,UNCOUTHED outburst during
    PRESIDENT OBAMA SPEECH

  • Meg

    Chris K you’re a moron. Strom Thurmond was a democrat. You know the ones who didn’t want to free the slaves, started the KKK, and were against the civil rights act. It would behoove you to study a little history rather than drinking the koolaid! As to the republicans being on the wrong side of history again you’re wrong. If it weren’t for republicans who freed the slaves and fought for civil rights Obama would be picking cotton in a field somewhere.

    Sort of reminds me of Sen. James Strom Thurmond who held the longest filibuster against the Civil Rights act. We all remember him as “that asshole”.

    Republicans love to be on the wrong side of history for some reason.

  • steven

    censure yes. censor no.

  • http://www.oliverwillis.com janine

    I hear there is a petition to censure Joe Wilson. How do I put my name on it. I am ashamed and appalled by this display. I have changed my party affiliation from Republican to Independent. Please stop the insanity.

  • nick

    Yes, I think we should stop racism in its tracks. Moreover, without suggesting the neoconfederate Joe Wilson is motivated in any way by bigotry, it seems telling that not a single black Republican congressman heckled Obama.

    Oh wait, there aren’t any black Republican congressmen. Hmmm, wonder why that is?

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  • Quaker in a Basement

    Aw, c’mon Jaim! It’s like we’ve got our very own fact-bending, Fox-News-watching, centrist-thinking comic book superhero here.

    Go with it.

  • http://wetcasements.wordpress.com Jaim

    Can we please cut out the “Impaler!” shit? It’s annoying as hell.

  • Impaler

    Wilfredo, thanks for the post, one thing that I believe we can all do, as Republicans and Democrats, is stay vigilant to stop racism in its tracks and point it out together, wherever it exists. Racism is for the small of mind. Impaler!

  • Wilfredo

    @Impaler – Oh, okay. Perhaps the wording was off. However, I can’t help but to think that there’s a lot racially motivated incidents going on, and I suspect this man just contributed to that. But, hey, you did respond to my comment… so, thanks.*

    *No snark.

  • Impaler

    Wilfredo, perhaps you should have read my entire post, there was nothing racist in Mr. Wilson’s comments, was it rude, sure it was, was it treason, not even close, I fail to understand the Left’s selective memory to justify their position. Does no one remember the crowed at the White House in January as Pres. Bush and his wife where leaving for the last time to go to the swearing in, and all of the people that where booing him and singing some ridiculous song? Then there is outrage and racist overtones to a single word uttered during a speech.
    Civil behavior, has been thrown under the bus, and I for one, attempt to stay above the fray, I don’t call people names, but every time someone disagrees with this President a charge of racism is leveled, against the person, or group of people, the Tea Party Movement is for instance not a racist movement as portrayed by certain Hollywood entertainers, MSNBC, CNN, or others, I wish that we could all just agree on both sides to a spirited debate, but on every blog site I go to, people throw out the racism card to cover for their own lack, or ability to articulate their views.

    So sayeth the Impaler!

  • Nick

    We just finish 8 years of lies of omission and lies of commission about everything from WMD to Iraq involvement in 9/11 to Iraq support for al Qaeda to nobody envisioning airline attacks on American targets to Niger uranium to unmanned aerial vehicles capable of reaching our shores to reconstituted nuclear weapons programs —-the list goes on and on—used to justify an enormously costly invasion of a country that was not involved in the 9/11 attacks, the cost of which would pay for 30 to 50 years of this health plan.

    But now that the Republicans are out of office, suddenly the exacto knives of logic splitting are pulled out to carve out minor inconsistencies and serve them up as LIES!

    Hypocrisy.

  • Nick

    Dave in SoCal
    September 10, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    “FAIR has a point that illegal immigrants would likely be able to buy insurance on the national health insurance exchange. We don’t see anything in the bills that would hinder that.”
    ————————————-

    I’d rather have illegal immigrants buy insurance than not have it, and then show up at the emergency room for care, which emergency rooms are currently required to provide. It’s much less of a burden on taxpayers if illegals buy insurance.

    The gravamen of Wilson’s complaint is that Obama was lying about the bill not providing federal dollars for the health care of illegal immigrants in the same way that it will pay for and subsidize health care for American residents and legal immigrants. Obama was telling the truth and Wilson being dishonest on that point. That illegals might enjoy a small collateral benefit because the health care program is ‘administered by the federal government’ is a small detail that doesn’t invalidate Obama’s main point–we are not going to provide free health insurance for illegal immigrants under the new bill.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    So Obama “insists” that the public plan be self-sufficient and rely solely on the premiums it collects. That’s it. He “insists”. Nothing specific, of course, on how exactly he intends to make this happen.

    And this is the basis of your insistence that Mr. Obama “lied” about providing coverage for illegal immigrants? That’s quite a stretch, Stretch.

  • freD

    The reason why Joe Wilson apologized, was that he brain farted right after an Obama statement which was easily proven true. His timing didn’t reflect logic, but the mood of the republican mob at that exact moment. (To clarify for our wingnut friends: Joe was paying more attention to his cohorts mood than to Obama’s words.)

    Afterwards, he correctly realized how this would be perceived and had to publicly apologize. To me this still strongly suggests that today’s GOP is the party of the ‘Ideological No!’, even in temporary emergencies – as the current health care crisis might be perceived, and not any kind of pragmatic problem solving.

    Others have also said that when anybody has to resort to nitpicky lunacy or diversion (such as the now infamous “You Lie!” about funding for illegals), it means they have no argument, and they at least unconsciously know it.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Good luck with that. Reducing benefits or raising taxes. Take your pick.

    To be fair, I did leave out the Republican option. Just borrow it and let our grandchildren pay for it.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Good luck with that. Reducing benefits or raising taxes. Take your pick. Either is a political grenade that no politician (D or R) seems willing to tackle.

    But privatizing the whole shebang is a great idea?

    Haw! to you.

  • Harold

    Well illegals can purchase the public option, which makes Obama the liar that he is. Which also brings to mind the stimulus bill that eliminated E-Verify.

  • Indeed

    DaveinSoCal:
    Wilson was rude and wrong to call Obama a liar.

    Indeed.

  • Dave in SoCal

    If absolutely nothing changes, social security will be able to pay three-fourths of promised benefits from that point forward

    I’m sure if you’re one of the millions of seniors living solely (and barely) on social security payments, describing a 25% cut in your monthly income as “a crisis” will seem pretty accurate. Might even be an understatement.

    Relatively minor changes in benefits, taxes, or both

    Good luck with that. Reducing benefits or raising taxes. Take your pick. Either is a political grenade that no politician (D or R) seems willing to tackle.

  • Dave in SoCal

    Did you even listen to the speech?

    Listened to part of it, read all of it online.

    You are no doubt thinking of this part:

    Despite all this, the insurance companies and their allies don’t like this idea. They argue that these private companies can’t fairly compete with the government. And they’d be right if taxpayers were subsidizing this public insurance option. But they won’t be. I have insisted that like any private insurance company, the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects. But by avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits, excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, it could provide a good deal for consumers.

    So Obama “insists” that the public plan be self-sufficient and rely solely on the premiums it collects. That’s it. He “insists”. Nothing specific, of course, on how exactly he intends to make this happen. How to make this new gov’t bureaucracy accomplish something that no other gov’t agency or department has managed to do. Run efficiently. Pay for itself. The Post Office, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Social Security, DOD, etc, ad nauseum.

    If Congress or Obama can demonstrate how they realistically plan to accomplish this, I’ll be happy to listen. Until then, my point stands.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Except social security is not in crisis. The trust fund holds government securities–the safest investment in the whole free world–to fund its obligations for the next 25 years.

    If absolutely nothing changes, social security will be able to pay three-fourths of promised benefits from that point forward. Relatively minor changes in benefits, taxes, or both would allow the system to pay 100 percent of promised benefits.

    There are many words that one could correctly apply. “Crisis” isn’t one.

  • Dave in SoCal

    “…to rise only briefly before declining and turning to cash flow deficits beginning in 2016 that grow as the baby boom generation retires.

    Which demonstrates that the statement “Bush said social security was in crisis” is accurate. Pointing out Reagan as a contributor to the problem or Gore as a potential solution doesn’t change this fact.

    Which also means that the statement “We were right and he was lying” is in fact, a lie itself.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    the public plan available on the “Exchange” will be administered, funded and subsidized by federal dollars

    Did you even listen to the speech?

  • Dave in SoCal

    From johnnymags’ link:

    FAIR has a point that illegal immigrants would likely be able to buy insurance on the national health insurance exchange. We don’t see anything in the bills that would hinder that. A Congressional Research Service report issued Aug. 25, 2009, confirmed our observation. The House bill “does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange—whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently,” the report said.

    Also from the link:

    But it’s worth pointing out that illegal immigrants participating in the exchange would be paying for their insurance like everyone else.

    And what they (and Quaker above) conveniently ignore is that the public plan available on the “Exchange” will be administered, funded and subsidized by federal dollars. Otherwise, why would you even need a “public plan”?

    If you’re going to claim that it won’t be subsidized, please also include an explanation for how the gov’t (not exactly known for efficiency in ANY of it’s operations) will be able to provide an competitively priced insurance plan without subsidizing it in some way.

    “Facts are stubborn things” Yes they are.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    The financial challenges facing Social Security and especially Medicare need to be addressed soon.

    Nice conflation. OW was talking about Social Security. You dragged in Medicare. They’re two distinct programs. You know?

    Social Security’s annual surpluses of tax income over expenditures are expected to fall sharply this year and to stay about constant in 2010 because of the economic recession, and to rise only briefly before declining and turning to cash flow deficits beginning in 2016 that grow as the baby boom generation retires.

    Just the way St. Ronnie planned it. The excess of tax collections over expenditures was intended to be temporary–to collect additional tax revenue to pay for Boomer retirements.

    You might point out that the “trust fund” is illusory–a gimmick to provide more money for general expenditures. Unfortunately, Mr. Reagan can’t be with us to explain the flaws in his Social Security fix.

    However there was, once, a fellow who proposed setting aside those excess revenues to pay down debt and increase our national capacity for debt during the Boomer retirement years. I believe he referred to his plan as a “lockbox.”

    Conservatives mocked him.

  • Wilfredo

    Wow… Dennis, you will just say anything to try to get a rise from people. I’m convinced that you didn’t get a lot of love as a boy.
    As far as not remembering anything prior to Jan. 20. I’d go further to say that I would like to forget the disgraceful reign of the Bush Administration. But their F.U. attitude toward the citizens of the U.S., and the world at large, will forever be tattooed in MOST folks’ memory.

  • SaveFarris

    Bush said social security was in crisis and advocated privatizing it. We said No. We were right

    You sure about that?

    The financial condition of the Social Security and Medicare programs remains challenging. Projected long run program costs are not sustainable under current program parameters. Social Security’s annual surpluses of tax income over expenditures are expected to fall sharply this year and to stay about constant in 2010 because of the economic recession, and to rise only briefly before declining and turning to cash flow deficits beginning in 2016 that grow as the baby boom generation retires. Medicare’s financial status is much worse. As was true in 2008, Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund is expected to pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures this year than it receives in taxes and other dedicated revenues.

    The drawdown of Social Security and HI Trust Fund reserves and the general revenue transfers into SMI will result in mounting pressure on the Federal budget. In fact, pressure is already evident. For the third consecutive year, a “Medicare funding warning” is being triggered, signaling that non-dedicated sources of revenues—primarily general revenues—will soon account for more than 45 percent of Medicare’s outlays. A Presidential proposal will be needed in response to the latest warning.

    The financial challenges facing Social Security and especially Medicare need to be addressed soon.

    Conclusion

    The financial difficulties facing Social Security and Medicare pose serious challenges. For Social Security, the reform options are relatively well understood but the choices are difficult. Medicare is a bigger challenge. Its cost growth can be contained without sacrificing quality of care only if health care cost growth more generally is contained. But despite the difficulties—indeed, because of the difficulties—it is essential that action be taken soon, particularly to control health care costs.

    Signed by noted Fringe Right-Wing Idealogues:
    Timothy F. Geithner
    Kathleen Sebelius
    Hilda Solis

  • johnnymags

    @concern troll Dave in So Cal

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/joe-wilson/joe-wilson-south-carolina-said-obama-lied-he-didnt/

    Mebbe you should read something besides Red State’s and Glenn “I belong to a socialist religion” Beck propaganda.

    “Facts are stubborn things”
    John Adams.- some guy who was President long ago.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    “There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false — the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”

    Lie.

    The “reform effort” changes nothing for illegal immigrants. They can send their own money to insurance companies today. They’ll still be able to tomorrow. Reform has nothing to do with it one way or the other.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    it’s hard to find intellectual honesty coming out of liberals, especially when they’re in ‘fight back’ mode and they can’t remember much from before Jan. 20, 2009.

    Wait. What? We can’t remember anything from before Jan. 20? You must be kidding me.

  • Dave in SoCal

    “There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false — the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”

    Lie.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    The Exchange includes the government-run “public plan” that progressives demand as the cornerstone of health care reform.

    The “exchange” is where people buy insurance. Pay for insurance. Under today’s system, an illegal immigrant can buy insurance from an insurance company.

    Illegal immigrants can also buy cars, cheeseburgers, movie tickets, roller skates, and tea bags. The current health care proposals will not provide subsidies or tax credits to illegal immigrants. Other than that, they can spend their money on whatever they wish.

  • Dave in SoCal

    Oh wait, Obama did lie after all:

    Open access to Insurance Exchange: HR 3200 contains no provisions preventing illegal immigrants from participating in the Health Insurance Exchange that is to be created, including the government-run “public plan” that will be available through the federally-run and federally-subsidized Exchange.

    According to the Congressional Research Service (CRS): “Under H.R. 3200, a ‘Health Insurance Exchange’ would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange.

    The Exchange includes the government-run “public plan” that progressives demand as the cornerstone of health care reform.

    “If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out”

    That works both ways, Mr. President.

  • elspi

    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

    Wilson is a liar. The end

  • Murcielago

    Thank you, Joe Wilson, for giving away your seat in 2010. Based on your “unquestionable” logic, we could have yelled “Moron!” to Dubya every time that he showed his face. The only difference is that we would have been just… describing him.

  • Dennis

    Dems booing and hissing at Bush in a 2005 SOTU address is another glariong example of nutoots’ embarrassingly selective memory.

    And yes, Repack, that did interrupt Congress. I’m sure you were just as outraged then as now.

    Claims of false equivalence, look over there and bs justifications that make no sense are admissions of no arguments for the bedwetting going on here.

    It’s sad you think this is some kind of game-changer.

    • http://www.oliverwillis.com Oliver Willis

      Bush said social security was in crisis and advocated privatizing it. We said No. We were right and he was lying and it didn’t interrupt Bush parroting the words Rove wrote down for him.

  • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/index.htm Repack Rider

    when Pete Stark apologized.

    Pete Stark interrupted a joint session of Congress? When?

    Wait, it’s the false equivalence game, isn’t it?

  • Indeed

    It’s not Look Over There

    Shorter Dennis: Look Over There!

  • Dennis

    You don’t see outrage by the right that Joe Wilson apologized like you did from the Left when Pete Stark apologized. It was seen as weakness and a cave by the nutoots, and an admission of defeat. Then they cheered when he wasn’t censured.

    It’s all bullshit. It’s not Look Over There, it’s just that’s it’s hard to find intellectual honesty coming out of liberals, especially when they’re in ‘fight back’ mode and they can’t remember much from before Jan. 20, 2009.

  • Dennis

    People notorious for feigned indignation and bad cases of selective memory always are able to spout out differences that at their core, aren’t really differences.

  • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/index.htm Repack Rider

    Wilson’s basic premise that Obama is a liar

    Wilson’s basic premise is that Wilson is an idiot.

  • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/index.htm Repack Rider

    AO: Cynthia McKinney ring a bell?

    The ol’ “do your own homework” dodge.

    I tried very hard to find any example of Ms. McKinney disrupting a speech by Mr. Bush, and I was unable to do so.

    If you are citing her as an example of the sort of behavior Mr. Wilson engaged in, please tell me what she did and when and where she did it, or STFU.

    Once again., this is right out of the Rove playbook, accuse your opponent of whatever you are doing yourself.

  • Indeed

    Wilson was rude and wrong to call Obama a liar. Obama didn’t lie.

    word

  • Dave in SoCal

    Wilson was rude and wrong to call Obama a liar. Obama didn’t lie. But he also wasn’t being completely truthful with his claim that it was a myth that his health reform plan would provide coverage to illegal immigrants.

    Healthcare scheme would benefit illegal immigrants

    The Democrats’ bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident.

    The legislation contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. Republicans offered an amendment to close this loophole — it would have required verification using the existing methods that are already in place to verify eligibility for other federal benefits programs. But, when they were asked to put the language of the bill where their words were, in a party-line vote, House Democrats rejected the amendment to require verification and close this loophole.

    So you can put all the stern language you want in there that says who will and will not be covered, but if you have no verification or enforcement mechanism, then the words are just that: words.

    On the other hand, maybe Wilson was just taking a prominent Democrat’s advice to “get in their face” and “punch back twice as hard” with opponents.

  • Dennis

    Left-wing hypocrisy watch…..

    Pete Stark Thanks Daily Kos

    House Flunks Boehner’s Attempt to Censure Stark; Stark Apologizes Anyway

    Interesting to hear the Daily Kooks and the crooks and liars back up Pete Stark’s outrageous comments when he called George Bush a liar and that he likes to blow things up, including our military men. Kooks and liberals almost unanimously said he shouldn’t have apologized and cheered when he wasn’t censured.

    Selective memory?….. no one should be surprised.

    • http://www.oliverwillis.com Oliver Willis

      The difference? George Bush is a liar who liked to blow things up. But nobody said so while he was giving a speech to congress. But good attempt at LookOverHere.

  • http://jarreauquasimedia.xanga.com/ jrfunkenstein

    ‘it is extremely hard to trust Democrats to behave in a responsible fashion. Instead they offer fair tales to the gullible, the unified theory of a free lunch, in an effort to buy votes.’

    You mean like the President isn’t a US citizen, and that death panels will kill your grandmother?

    You’ve got to be fucking kidding.

  • http://jarreauquasimedia.xanga.com/ jrfunkenstein

    ‘I think people have a selective memory.’

    You’re one to talk; Bush had people arrested for wearing a T-shirt that dared to criticize him.

  • Amused Observer

    LOL,
    Indeed Obama is not king, he is an emperor without any clothes. Wilson’s basic premise that Obama is a liar would be easy to refute but for his past behavior. Why do you suppose Obama habitually makes statements that so strain credibility? Impaler makes some very valid observations, it is extremely hard to trust Democrats to behave in a responsible fashion. Instead they offer fair tales to the gullible, the unified theory of a free lunch, in an effort to buy votes.

  • http://jarreauquasimedia.xanga.com/ jrfunkenstein

    Whoops;

    This is the quote I was responding to:

    ‘He spoke the truth. Was it the appropriate forum? Eh, maybe not. I wonder why he waited until today.’

  • http://jarreauquasimedia.xanga.com/ jrfunkenstein

    ‘Now that he’s apologized to the President, he’s gonna have to apologize to Rush for the apology to the President. What a pickle.’

    Oh WILSON spoke the truth huh? Sort of like how Iraq had WMDs ready to unleash on the US, had bought yellowcake from Niger, had been involved in 9/11, that the US would be greeted as liberators, and that the insurgency was in its last throes, if you will?

    What makes you think this fucktard or anyone else on the Right has any shred of credibility left after the fabrication factory that was the Bush administration?

    After the manufactured bullshit the GOP has been slinging all summer long to convince people like you that health care is a for profit privilege that only an insurance company has the right to control, you really aren’t in a strong position to suggest what constitutes truth or fiction.

    Go back to your tea-party/birther/death panel meeting and say hit to Elvis for me.

  • G. Morgan Brown

    Get off Wilsons back. The only thing worse than a liar is the foul mouth nasty talking idiots on this website. When you’re not telling the truth, “you’re a liar”… It’s that simple.

  • Indeed

    Obama is President, not King. It should be OK to heckle. SC Rep Joe Wilson is a teabag-douchebag, obviously, but it should be OK to heckle. I’m with Yglesias on this:

    — Personally, I sort of liked Rep Joe Wilson’s idea of introducing British-style heckling to the halls of congress; totally disrespectful and out of step with American tradition, true, but their tradition is better. Unfortunately, Wilson was also lying about the point at issue and will thereby set back the cause of heckling by decades.

    and Digby:

    I don’t mind it much either. It’s rude and stupid, but Obama isn’t a king and it isn’t wrong to yell at the president. However, I can’t help but recall what happened to these women during a Bush junior speech to a joint session of congress:

    Call it the tale of two different shirts worn by two very different women: a well-known peace activist who has agitated the White House and a lawmaker’s wife who has staunchly supported the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

    Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan wore a shirt with the message “2,245 Dead. How many more?” — a reference to the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq.

    Beverly Young, the wife of 18-term Republican U.S. Rep. Bill Young of Florida, wore a shirt that read “Support the Troops.”

    Both shirts resulted in their owners being ejected from the House chamber before President Bush’s State of the Union address on Tuesday night.

    Sheehan, an invited guest of Rep. Lynn Woolsey, a California Democrat, was arrested around 8:30 p.m. ET on charges of unlawful conduct. Young was asked to leave but not arrested.

    The capitol police later apologized, but stifling the slightest criticism of the president wasn’t particularly unusual at that time as I’m sure you remember. In those days, just a few years ago, yelling at the president in that setting would have been considered treason and the Democrats who did it would have been waterboarded.

  • Tyro

    Cynthia McKinney ring a bell?

    Yep. Even her looney self knew better than to heckle Bush during an address to a joint session of congress. When you can’t even live up to a standard of decorum followed by Cynthia McKinney, then you know you have problems. Add in the birther/death panel/red-baiting looniness, and it’s clear that the Republican caucus is full of people worth than McKinney, who actually lost her primary. That’s how fringe-crazy the Republican party has become.

  • Nick

    South Carolina–the state that brought us Mr. Sanford, that pornography writing woman wingnut, and now this cretin Wilson.

    I think the Democrats should abstain from censure and make the Republicans censure the guy.

    The Post and Times both decried not just Wilson’s behavior, but that of many of the Republicans.

  • JD Rhoades

    William, who was yelling “You LIE!” at Bush in that clip?

    Answer: No one.

    Typical GOP bullshitter’s talking point: Some Dems booed once so we get to yell “YOU LIE!” at the President. Someone questioned Robert Bork’s qualifications so we get to yell “RACIST!” at the top of our lungs.

  • william

    I think Wilson’s outburst was rude. I also think it was rude of democrats to shout and boo at Bush during his 2005 SOTU -

    http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275877.html

  • rat_bastard

    Hey Thanks Quaker and Randy, This is pretty handy. Looks like the short bus pulled up to the comments section, so things are back to normal.

  • JD Rhoades

    Maybe he was drunk?

  • http://dewaynesdesigns.com dewayne

    I agree. Censure him. When someone refers to the President as a liar, that falls into the category of treason, in my opinion. He needs to have is ass kicked.

  • Randy Brown

    Drag his ass over to Anacostia, and tell the brothers down there that he’s the dude who called Obama a liar on national TV.

    Problem solved.

  • durablend

    I would seriously like to know why you are so full of hate. People like you puzzle me.

    That’s simple…they’re not about to show respect towards a black man. Goes against practically everything the GOP stands for.

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  • Wilfredo

    “…I find it refreshing that someone finally has the nuts to call a politician a liar on national television.”

    I find your defense of disrespectful (and possibly racist) behavior appalling. You’re not clever at all, man!
    I would seriously like to know why you are so full of hate. People like you puzzle me.

  • Amused Observer

    LOL Repack,
    Cynthia McKinney ring a bell?

  • Liberal Bob

    I love this place. It is an echo chamber of one-sided debate. Awesome!

    I don’t care if Obama lied or not, but I certainly care that the scumbag Wilson piped up inappropriately while President Obama was speaking.

  • Impaler

    Kevin Daniels, dude turn of Olbermann, I find it refreshing that someone finally has the nuts to call a politician a liar on national television.
    Now my corrections to this blog on this topic, one, Strom Thurmond was a Democrat at the time the civil rights bill was being drafted, to answer one of the continuously misinformed respondents, (tired racist argument) of which I have found not one issue true about Republicans being racist, Not One. You all have the Internet please research and be sure what you are saying is true, this way we can get to a useful discussion. Thank You.
    Now on to Mr. Wilson, I believe he is correct, (waiting for kneejerk reaction) Ok ready to listen? My father told me when I was a young boy, “the darkest lie is a half truth”, and my father has rarely been wrong. The Democrats in the house voted down an amendment to the bill that would require the use of S.A.F.E. for signing up people for health care, using this trusted and widely used system would stop most fraud and abuse that we have here in California by the Illegal community, at an estimated cost of 5 billion a year, this is one of the reasons our state is broke, like New York and Massachusetts. Now the question, if we are not going to cover illegal immigrants, then why did the Democrats stop this amendment to the bill? Because they are going to cover them, I will tell you how, with no fraud check in place, then they will steal social security numbers, sue (ACLU) to allow other types of ID’s be used for verification, its granting access via the legislative back door, and yes we see this in Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security, this way Obama can tell the Hispanic Caucus, “Hey I couldn’t cover you on the front end, but I covered you on the back end” being cleaver, and getting one over on the 50 plus percent of the population who oppose this is his goal, and so yes I applaud Mr. Wilson for being tired of the lies, and finally snapping it’s about time that Republicans fought back against the Rahm attack machine.

    So Sayeth the Impaler!

  • Burn

    Wilson/Sanford 2012
    South Carolinas finest

  • daniel rotter

    “…I believe in personal freedom…”

    What is “impersonal freedom?”

  • kth

    Wasn’t really referencing that LBJ anecdote, though now I remember it. Sometimes you just get lucky that way.

  • scrick

    Joe Wilson forgot to cough real loud while he said it—just like in high school. It usually makes it so no one catches you, right?

  • Porlock Junior

    @kth:
    I sympathize, but I think you’ve got the story wrong. In Lyndon Johnson’s anecdote (an anecdote, not a piece of his personal history) the point of “putting it out that he fucks pigs” is that the guy didn’t. See the difference?

  • http://wetcasements.wordpress.com Jaim

    Joe Wilson defiled the people’s house with his grade-school shenanigan.

    But hey, our president gave a great speech and made people excited about getting decent health-care in our country.

    I’ll take that trade-off any day re: Republicans acting like fools once again, and Dems making progress toward their important goals.

    What’s funny is that wing-nuts continue to think that pulling shit like this is actually a “victory,” as opposed to things like winning elections and getting quality legislation through.

  • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/index.htm Repack Rider

    Wilson’s behavior was disrespectful, more like a leftist Democrat than a Republican.

    In that case you will be able to provide us with an example of a “leftist Democrat” member of Congress who did something similar.

    No? You made that up?

    Well then, there you have it. The page out of the Rove playbook that says, “Accuse your opponent of whatever you are doing yourself.”

  • Amused Observer

    Wilson’s behavior was disrespectful, more like a leftist Democrat than a Republican. His timing was off, his sentiment was right on. Obama has strained credibilty in the past with his statements.

  • kth

    Joe Wilson is a pigfucker, and any Republican who fails to denounce him is likewise a pigfucker.

  • mefite.tetsuo

    Anyone notice the guy on Wilson’s right in the picture currently making the rounds? What a disgusting little sneer.

  • Don

    I am republican because I believe in personal freedom and smaller government, but tonight I vow to change to Independent status. This was just embarrassing for all Americans. Barack Obama is OUR president elected by the people and should be respected as OUR president. I agree that Wilson should be censured.

  • Okra

    Could someone direct me to a copy of the Republican Health Care Plan that the Friends of Joe were holding up during the President’s speech?

    I’d like to see that it is a real piece of legislation. There are rumors that the papers were actually menus and the congressman who was texting was taking orders and sending them in.

    Poor Joe. He just can’t get it quite right. His fellow frat brothers were laughing at the president, waving papers around and doing the cell thing. So, Joe thought it would be okay if he just took it one step further.

    The internationally televised disrespect for the presidency involved more that just poor old Joe. The rest of you need to man up.

  • Robert

    I find the lack of defense from the Usual Suspects. . .
    refreshing. I appreciate a nice surprise now and again.
    And Congressman Wilson’s apology was well phrased.
    Any bets on how long before he’s apologizing for the
    apology?

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Where are the wingnuts to…commend poor Joe for not instead blurting out “Nigger!” ?

    Since they all seem to have taken the night off, I’ll stand in for them: Way to go, Joe!

  • Jackie Rae Pool

    Where is the petition website calling for this “anti-American” fellow to be censured? Where is Michelle Bachmann now??

  • Indeed

    Joe “Joey Jo-Jo Junior…Shabadoo” Wilson just got himself a shitload of time on Fox News. Go figure.

  • freD

    Where are the wingnuts to explain that he suffers from tourettes, and commend poor Joe for not instead blurting out “Nigger!” ?

  • Joe Wilson’s Black cousin

    At least they caught his gun at metal detector!

  • Redbyrd

    There is no doubt in my mind that ignorant fucktard should be censored and if there’s anything the public can do to move that forward I’ll be on board. Too harsh? It’ll make him a martyr? Since when is it okay for an elected official disrespect the President during an offical address? Since when did that become okay? Yeah censure him and make him a martyr the same way any other terrorist would be…right?

  • Jim Darty

    I think people have a selective memory. Not to long ago Obama labeled a fine policeman as acting stupidly without any solid information. I think he should invite Senator Joe Wilson to the White House for a Beer Summit. But on second thought Mr Wilson should have taken off his shoe’s and tossed them in the direction of the non-partisan President. Way to go Joe

  • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/index.htm Repack Rider

    I think we should treat him like any other troll and not respond in kind. No censure, no punishment of any kind, just, “Is that all you’ve got?”

    This should be a “There you go again” moment, not worthy of the dignity of a response.

  • canadian bacon

    “Great American Panel” here he comes!!

  • daniel rotter

    The guy apologized. Censure is too harsh and would make a martyr out of him.

  • Kevdude

    Dear Congressman,

    I was stunned by your rude outburst during President Obama’s speech. This behavior represents a further coarsening of public discourse, and ill-fits any duly elected member of the federal body politic.

    You sir, have lost not only the good will of many americans, you have lost your self-respect. You fail to argue the President on the issues, and have had to resort to that lowest form of argument – the monosyllabic ululation.

    Schoolyard insults are beneath you, sir, or they should be.

    I would demand your formal and public apology, but I suspect you may have to rediscover certain values beforehand. These include self-reflection, decency, insight, honor, professionalism, and plain old good manners.

    Yours respectfully (and that’s more than your deserve),

    Kevin Daniels

  • Harge008

    Don’t let him off that easy. Let’s tar and feather the bastard!

  • mrak

    He should be given a wedgie on the steps of the Capitol.

    I mean, censured.

  • Wilfredo

    Naw, the hell with that! All he wanted was the attention, and even with the apology he got it. I’m tired of this Administration letting those scumbags slide. Teach them manners and censure him, Pelosi!

    On a side note: I saw that whole Repub section as a whole bunch of Dean Wormer lookalikes.

  • Tyro

    Damn. Not as smart as I thought I was.

  • Tyro

    Amateurs! Also, it’s 2009. Be a grownup and learn HTML.

    This is how you do it:

    <b>Bold text goes in here&lt/b>

    <i>Italic text goes in here&lt/i>

    You can look up basic html formatting. Come on, you can do it!

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Bah. Now I see why Randy wrote it out. Instead of the brackets in my example, use < and >

  • Quaker in a Basement

    I like the strong tag better thant the b tag. Works more reliably in all browsers.

    Do it like this, rat, except replace [ with .

    [strong]text goes here[/strong]

  • Dean

    Thank you Shorebird I too made a contribution to Mr. Miller’s campaign. May he receive a ton of new money due to Mr. Wilson’s moronic crude and vile behavior. The polarizing behavior of a majority of the republican party and their operatives truly is a drag on regaining the greatness that is possible in the US.

    Censure his ass and then give him a dozen paddle whacks!

  • Randy Brown

    Damn! Less-than sign b greater-than sign, then the text, then less-than sign /b greater-than sign.

  • Randy Brown

    Rat_bastard, the tag for bolding is , then the text, then (remove the spaces).

  • canadian bacon

    Now that he’s apologized to the President, he’s gonna have to apologize to Rush for the apology to the President. What a pickle.

  • http://rjjrdq.com rjjrdq

    He spoke the truth. Was it the appropriate forum? Eh, maybe not. I wonder why he waited until today.

  • paulie

    @Burn: since there isn’t a republican to entertain us all, I will do a little improv.

    Joe Wilson was right. Obama is a liar. And a Communist Fascist Nazi. And he’s BLACK! Did you know his middle name is HUSSEIN?!? I’m pretty sure he’s related to Saddam. USA! USA! USA!

  • James in St Louis

    Wrong place and wrong time to show what kind of man you are, Joe Wilson.
    What will Joe do next?
    1. Joe Wilson will show that he is a coward, when he says that he is sorry.
    2. Joe Wilson will will be a man, when he resigns.

  • rat_bastard

    Free Republic does not appear to have a single poster saying that maybe during an address is the wrong time to heckle. This was my favorite post:

    “McCain is going to get an earful from this constituent in the morning. How ironic that it’s the citizens of our country who understand the fight we’re in and we have virtually no leaders in Washington who do. Our leaders are talk show radio hosts. Sad.”

    If i Knew how to bold I would bold the “Our leaders are talk show radio hosts.” part, priceless.

  • Quaker in a Basement
  • Shorebird

    Help get this guy defeated in the next election. Contribute to his opponent’s campaign. I just did. Go Rob Miller!
    http://robmillerforcongress.com/sunset

  • Dave Z

    If we can’t maintain dignity and respectful debate then we have nothing. Wilson must be censured.

    Write Speaker Pelosi and your congressman now.

  • Karen Bauer

    It’s so refreshing to read not one single person in support of this Class A Asshole, Joe whatsisname. Ahhhhh. My people! I agree: Obama should invite him over for dinner, which would end up thoroughly embarrassing the guy. Yes, we can.

  • lynn

    Joe Wilson’s behavior tonight MUST be censured. Things have gotten so out of hand that an elected official heckled the President of the United States during a formal Congressional speech on television goes over the line. We must not turn our heads or write it off as ignorant racist behavior. We wonder why our youth are so confused over what behaviors and lack of common sense will be tolerated. Any ideas of how the public can demand this censure?

  • Tyro

    I don’t have anything against heckling in general. However, a few things:

    a) in places like the UK, where heckling is allowed and expected, calling people liars is considered out of bounds

    b) On this point, it is obvious that Obama was telling the truth, as has been hashed over time and time again

    c) I’m pretty sure Joe Wilson kept his mouth shut and was unwilling to start accusing the president of lying when Bush said, “We do not torture” and “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of Uranium from Africa,” so where does he get off thinking he has any credibility now?

  • Mark

    The House should censure Wilson. Better yet, he should be dead to them…revoke his committee memberships. If he endorses an amendment, it should be voted down. Take away his key to the Executive Bathroom.

    Maybe if he acts like an adult again, he can be treated like one.

  • bikelib

    Like I said in another thread, calling the Commander-in-Chief names like that in a Time of War ™ is treasonous. Right, wingnuts?

  • Burn

    Hey, where’s all our usual asshole trolls to defend this behavior? Come on, there has to be one of you fuckheads to make it seem like Obama ‘had it coming’

  • http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/index.htm Repack Rider

    Obama will probably invite him over for dinner to discuss their differences and see if they couldn’t resolve them.

    Wouldn’t THAT f*ck with his head!

  • Chris K.

    @Jaim

    Disagree here. We need to call out bad behavior, especialy in our highest offices. Yes, he will get attention but negative attention for what he did.

    This will also underscore the point that Democratic officials are not suckers that will just talk about bi-partisanship when crap like this happens.

  • Mike

    If Wilson had any honor, he’d resign. But if he had honor, he wouldn’t be a Republican.

  • http://news.adamducker.com Adam

    Should have treated him like you would any common heckler at any event. Taser his ass and get him out the door. Joe Wilson: “Don’t tase me, bro!”

  • http://wetcasements.wordpress.com Jaim

    He should be censured, but then again the real issue is that he’s being an attention whore. He’ll go back to his district and fire up the wing-nuts with his “bravery.”

    So actually, don’t censure him. That’ll just give him more of the attention he’s desperate for.

    But yeah, Republicans have no class. It’s who they are, pissy-pants little whiners at heart.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Redstate Erick applauds Wilson, calls him “Great American Hero”!

    Joe Wilson has been identified as the Republican who yelled out that Barack Obama was a liar.

    He gets a drink on me!

  • Shirley

    Very distastefull. He should be ashamed of acting like a child.

  • jr

    This is who they are. This is what they do.

  • http://yahoo CONNIE

    Joe Wilson is the worst person in the world. He better apologize to President Obama asap. Now I just hate republicans!!!

  • alex

    What an asshole!

    it looked like Nancy Pelosi was about to throw down.

  • TLAD

    Please they are Republicans, they don’t understand concepts like morals, respect, or honor. It’s beyond their capacities. Joe Wilson is the embodiment of the best a Republican can be. But they’ve been that way all along, we shouldn’t be surprised by it at this point.

  • jward

    Absolutely agree he should be censured–and from the look of shock on Pelosi’s face I bet he will be. By the way his Congressional phone number is 202-225-2452.

  • Luv

    It is what the Republican party has allowed itself to become. It’s not just the constituents that are classless and willfully ignorant, their representatives are just like them.

    Now the entire world can see just what they’re like.

  • W Todd Powell

    The speech was really about nasty republican partisan tactics. Rep. Wilson helped make the point. CENSURE!

  • Clancy

    Agreed. This level of disrespect is almost unprecedented in the modern era.

  • Jesse

    Where are all the people who said you should always respect the office of the President when Bush was at the helm? Funny that his wife Laura recently mirrored that same sentiment. I agree, censure.

  • mike in dc

    I think it’s sufficient to point out he’s disrespecting the office that men died to protect and preserve, and leave it at that. No need to make martyr out of him for the folks over in Crazytown/BizarroWorld.

  • Chris K.

    Superstars.

    When this Bill is passed, just like everything else, we will look back and ask ourselves why were these people in charge in the first place.

    Sort of reminds me of Sen. James Strom Thurmond who held the longest filibuster against the Civil Rights act. We all remember him as “that asshole”.

    Republicans love to be on the wrong side of history for some reason.

  • http://welcome2thenow.blogspot.com/ Pryme

    Irony is, when our government becomes the one from “Idiocracy” guys like Wilson will receive no mention.

    Still, Obama needs to push the “Health Care = Moral Imperative” theme, and push hard.

  • calling all toasters

    I think it’s a public service. When a Republican calls someone a liar, it’s a guarantee that the ‘liar’ is telling the truth.

  • Quaker in a Basement

    Joe x 2!

    Wilson/JTP 2012!